Why I believe Fed is the GOAT-New View

[Deleted member 391266]

Excellent post. It is all too rare to see someone who can logically argue multiple sides to a debate and argument.

I especially liked your view on GS numbers:

One other point. I don't go by how many GS's a guy has won. Look at Laver, how many would he have if we played all of those missed slams? I just think it's not the best barometer. I mean what if a kid comes along, plays one year, never drops a set, beats everyone 6-0, 6-1, wins 4 GS's, then he hurts himself and can never play again, does this mean he isn't a all time great because he doesn't pass the 17 GS mark?

Football fans may remember Gale Sayers. Injury/lack of medical expertise at the time robbed him of his career very early on. Nonetheless, by all accounts, he is considered an all-time great. Dan Marino is another example. He never won a Superbowl, but is in many people's list of best quarterbacks of all time. Sometimes people can get so wrapped up in the numbers, it causes them to ignore other important facts.

 

[tacou]

where was the new stuff

 

[SublimeTennis]

My thoughts are Federer's slam count would go up +4 if courts were fast and Nadal's slam count would go down -4. I have always thought that Nadal, Murray and Djoko have all benefitted from the slow courts.

Interesting. Only speculation of course, but go to Wikipedia and look at how many finals Fed has been in. If these courts were 90's and ALL TIME speed, it makes you wonder how many of these Fed would have won.

 

[OddJack]

In a recent interview, Becker said in the 70s, 80s, and 90s Federer would do better than all the others playing with wooden rackets and without todays technology.

 

[SublimeTennis]

In a recent interview, Becker said in the 70s, 80s, and 90s Federer would do better than all the others playing with wooden rackets and without todays technology.

Interesting, wonder how Borg would do today if he started as a youth training with these racquets and strings.

Funny thing about Borg, people say "He was a baseliner", yes, but what I didn't know was that he averaged 30% at the net!! Well I thought that was interesting. Today the only time you see guys at the net is to shake hands

 

[Fed_Djoker_Fan]

What a fail..do you if you don't start tennis before 10 you hardly have a chance to be a pro?
Given that both became pros around same time, whatever changes occurred affected both equally..

The two us opens Rafa own, he won pretty easily and convincingly.. If only the courts were faster, Nadal would have become the hard court monster much earlier...the clay success spoiled him for hard courts early on. He would have been a nightmare for fed on all surfaces right from the start . H2h would have been 50-5

Bump. 10 bumps

 

[SublimeTennis]

Bump. 10 bumps

I'm new to forums, what does "Bump" mean? Thanks!

 

[tacou]

I'm new to forums, what does "Bump" mean? Thanks!

"Bump" is usually to bump an old or under-viewed thread to the top of queue where more people will see it and respond, it's on all message boards not just this one/sports boards

 

[SublimeTennis]

"Bump" is usually to bump an old or under-viewed thread to the top of queue where more people will see it and respond, it's on all message boards not just this one/sports boards

Thanks a lot!