Why I want Nadal to win USO 2013 - A Roger fan's take

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Nadal's recent form
Simply - he's been the best hardcourt player coming into the USO. Nadal has been showing us some nice aggressive shot making combined with his usual defensive skills and mental fortitude. Steve Tignor made a very astute comment about Nadal the other day. He writes, "In tight moments, Nadal is the rare player who can find the right balance of aggression and margin".

The USO rewards obviously the most aggressive players, but over 5 sets, low percentage shot making won't cut it. Rafa's gears give him the ability to shift up when needed yet his trademark top-spin game gives him plenty of room.

Federer
Now to the part about being a Fed fan and why this is a departure for me. It isn't like I don't want Roger to win. That's always a Federer fan's *wish*. But that can only happen if Roger is in good form and playing well. And to be honest, I don't enjoy Roger winning ugly. His game was made to flourish and for us fans to enjoy that free-floating, creative genius in full flow.

This hasn't been his summer or even year. I'm hoping by the fall indoor season he finds his mojo again, but right now we'll have to see. I'd be very pleasantly surprised if he does get through 2 of the Top 4 to win the USO.

The Rest
As for Djokovic or Murray, my personal preference is aggressive, creative players and surprisingly Nadal is the one out of those 3 that can do it and take it up a notch. Murray and Djokovic have been lackluster but we'll have to see how things go.

JMDP, Berdych and other dark horses unfortunately haven't proven themselves coming into the open. It'll take a great performance by someone to upset the Top 4 to corner yet another slam.

GOAT Challenge
Some of you may be wondering why a Fed fan would wish his nemesis in the slam race pick up another slam and narrow the GS title gap. I'm supposed to wish that Nadal not win another slam ever again and Federer always remain the slam king.

The truth is we don't know what is going to happen. Fed may not win a slam again and Nadal could catch up, or not. Fed could add 1 or more slams still and make it more difficult.

All the numbers aside, I've come to a point where philosophically I think it is immature to desire Nadal somehow fall off the radar. Let the guy play and let the better man come out on top in the history books. If it is Nadal, so be it - it isn't like he's going to do it by winning some lottery. He'll have to win it just like Roger did.

I've come to realize that although I'm not a Nadal fan, I despise his juvenile fans more than the tennis player himself. If I ignore all the antics and just focus on his tennis shot making between the lines, he's a phenomenal player who will go down as one of the Top 5 best male players of all time even if he doesn't win one more title ever!

So to ignore all that good and just focus on the negative aspects I don't like is not right. I still wish and hope Roger remains the champ in the GS department, but not going to do it by rooting against Nadal.
 
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I want him to win it too. It will show everyone that his knee is not an issue on hardcourts, either that or everyone else is a mug that can't beat a gimpy Nadal.
 
I want him to win it too. It will show everyone that his knee is not an issue on hardcourts, either that or everyone else is a mug that can't beat a gimpy Nadal.


The knee issue is one of those things that can be aggravating if you're not a Nadal fan. I don't like all the pre-tournament expectation-lowering that comes from his camp citing the knees.

At this point, I look at Nadal completely ignoring all the knee talk. If he's playing, that means he's physically fine to play and the results count whether he wins or loses.
 
The knee issue is one of those things that can be aggravating if you're not a Nadal fan. I don't like all the pre-tournament expectation-lowering that comes from his camp citing the knees.

At this point, I look at Nadal completely ignoring all the knee talk. If he's playing, that means he's physically fine to play and the results count whether he wins or loses.

All I'm saying is that Nadal's knee problems should get worse, not better, as he ages. In fact an unnatural surface should be his 'Achilles heel' at this point in his career. Instead, he's dominating the HC season, apparently due to 7-month layoff.

Makes perfect sense, no?
 
Nadal believes previous tennis eras cannot match the excitement generated by the current stars of the sport.



"Personally, to watch a Pete Sampras versus Goran Ivanisevic match, or one between those kind of players, is not enjoyable, It's not really tennis, it is a few swings of the racquet.



It was less eye-catching than what we do now. Everyone enjoys the tennis we play much more. I am not saying we are playing better tennis, just more enjoyable tennis. For me, in the past it was just serve, serve, serve."




http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Ten...-Day-Five.aspx



Excuse arrogant selfish mug will win.

Congrats.
 
All I'm saying is that Nadal's knee problems should get worse, not better, as he ages. In fact an unnatural surface should be his 'Achilles heel' at this point in his career. Instead, he's dominating the HC season, apparently due to 7-month layoff.

Makes perfect sense, no?


We don't know anything beyond speculation. Yeah, I have my doubts and theories, but you can only go by what he's doing on court.

Even if he has perfect knees and the Nadal camp has been fibbing about stuff, it's not like Montreal and Cincinnati fell in his lap.

So what can you do? Either accept reality or hang on to theories that cannot be proven or disproven
 
Do you even know how much this thread will hurt monfeds sentiment??:lol:


I'm done with the bitter Nadal-Fed discussions on this board where people discredit the other player's achievements. This forum has become toxic in that regard.
 
We don't know anything beyond speculation. Yeah, I have my doubts and theories, but you can only go by what he's doing on court.

Even if he has perfect knees and the Nadal camp has been fibbing about stuff, it's not like Montreal and Cincinnati fell in his lap.

So what can you do? Either accept reality or hang on to theories that cannot be proven or disproven

I'm not sure if you're familiar with this quote from Carl Sagan:

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

There is nothing wrong with being skeptical, in fact it's part of the human psyche. It's just that some people tend to be very selective how they apply their skepticism.
 
I want Federer to win it first and foremost. I wouldn't mind if Nadal won if only his fanbase wouldn't be so insufferable afterwards.
 
It's one thing to "think" Nadal has the best chance to win (which I do as well). It's quite another to "want" Nadal to win and conversely Federer to "lose". The latter makes you a sorry excuse of a Federer "fan".
 
Nadal believes previous tennis eras cannot match the excitement generated by the current stars of the sport.



"Personally, to watch a Pete Sampras versus Goran Ivanisevic match, or one between those kind of players, is not enjoyable, It's not really tennis, it is a few swings of the racquet.



It was less eye-catching than what we do now. Everyone enjoys the tennis we play much more. I am not saying we are playing better tennis, just more enjoyable tennis. For me, in the past it was just serve, serve, serve."




http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Ten...-Day-Five.aspx



Excuse arrogant selfish mug will win.

Congrats.

This is 100% true. The serve-fests were beyond horrible.
 
It's one thing to "think" Nadal has the best chance to win (which I do as well). It's quite another to "want" Nadal to win and conversely Federer to "lose". The latter makes you a sorry excuse of a Federer "fan".


If it is bad to want the guy playing the better tennis to win then yeah, I'm a bad fan.

Federer should lose the way he's been playing. To wish and want a subpar Roger to win is not right. I DO wish that Roger comes out and gives us a different look starting tonight. I DO wish Roger shows a form reminiscent of his previous title years.
 
All the numbers aside, I've come to a point where philosophically I think it is immature to desire Nadal somehow fall off the radar. Let the guy play and let the better man come out on top in the history books. If it is Nadal, so be it - it isn't like he's going to do it by winning some lottery. He'll have to win it just like Roger did.

Finally some mature Federer fans of this forum :) Great post, I respect you mate ;)
 
Wow this thread is such an epic fail,epic actually isn't enough to describe it,maybe more embarassing is the operative word here....nikdom, dude the haters have really got under your skin it seems, maybe you should just switch fanbases or just straight up quit TW..heck why don't you just take up to sainthood? It's said that saints are at peace like 24/7. :lol:
You get to be at peace and we don't have to read your crappy threads,sounds like a win-win situation for both, don't you agree?

And here I was thinking of making a thread asking Fed fans to come up with a strategy for Fed to beat ****** if they square off in the QF. *sigh*
Maybe I should go ahead with my idea since there are still plenty of geniune Fed fans on TW thankfully.
 
It's one thing to "think" Nadal has the best chance to win (which I do as well). It's quite another to "want" Nadal to win and conversely Federer to "lose". The latter makes you a sorry excuse of a Federer "fan".

He has this notion in his head that appreciating Ralph even though he is a Federer fan apparently makes him a better person than all of us "blind Fed worshippers" and it's some sorta higher moral code to live up to if you're a true tennis fan. Quite frankly, it's just his stupid ego playing tricks with his head. :lol:
 
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I'm a Roger fan, and i'd rather see Nadal tear an ACL in the first round and retire than win the US Open.

Frankly, I don't even want to see those two play in the QF.. i really hope Roger can donk out in the 4th round... unless Nadal donks out, then he can continue
 
I'm a Roger fan, and i'd rather see Nadal tear an ACL in the first round and retire than win the US Open.

Frankly, I don't even want to see those two play in the QF.. i really hope Roger can donk out in the 4th round... unless Nadal donks out, then he can continue

You are such a hater, a troll and such a bad tennis fan overall, please be a golf fan!


Kidding ofcourse, don't want that opportunistic moonballing mug to play Fed when he's in retirement mode so yea I'm with you on this.
 
I'm a Roger fan, and i'd rather see Nadal tear an ACL in the first round and retire than win the US Open.

Frankly, I don't even want to see those two play in the QF.. i really hope Roger can donk out in the 4th round... unless Nadal donks out, then he can continue

:lol:

don't worry nadal will kick fed's *** not yours :lol:
 
He has this notion in his head that appreciating Ralph even though he is a Federer fan apparently makes him a better person than all of us "blind Fed worshippers" and it's some sorta higher moral code to live up to if you're a true tennis fan. Quite frankly, it's just his stupid ego playing tricks with his head. :lol:

LOL! Good insight! That's exactly the sense I got as well. It's not so much that s/he's supporting Nadal -- I wouldn't have bothered had s/he identified him or herself as a "neutral" "tennis" fan or even one of those "Fedal" (ick!) weirdos -- but for OP to identify as a Federer fan and choose to actively root against him simply because in his (tennis) dotage he is unable to muster up the same form he was capable of in the prime of his youth is the very epitome of a "fair-weather fan". OP is an embarassment, if not a downright disgrace to the Federer fandom.
 
Nadal's recent form
Simply - he's been the best hardcourt player coming into the USO. Nadal has been showing us some nice aggressive shot making combined with his usual defensive skills and mental fortitude. Steve Tignor made a very astute comment about Nadal the other day. He writes, "In tight moments, Nadal is the rare player who can find the right balance of aggression and margin".

The USO rewards obviously the most aggressive players, but over 5 sets, low percentage shot making won't cut it. Rafa's gears give him the ability to shift up when needed yet his trademark top-spin game gives him plenty of room.

Federer
Now to the part about being a Fed fan and why this is a departure for me. It isn't like I don't want Roger to win. That's always a Federer fan's *wish*. But that can only happen if Roger is in good form and playing well. And to be honest, I don't enjoy Roger winning ugly. His game was made to flourish and for us fans to enjoy that free-floating, creative genius in full flow.

This hasn't been his summer or even year. I'm hoping by the fall indoor season he finds his mojo again, but right now we'll have to see. I'd be very pleasantly surprised if he does get through 2 of the Top 4 to win the USO.

The Rest
As for Djokovic or Murray, my personal preference is aggressive, creative players and surprisingly Nadal is the one out of those 3 that can do it and take it up a notch. Murray and Djokovic have been lackluster but we'll have to see how things go.

JMDP, Berdych and other dark horses unfortunately haven't proven themselves coming into the open. It'll take a great performance by someone to upset the Top 4 to corner yet another slam.

GOAT Challenge
Some of you may be wondering why a Fed fan would wish his nemesis in the slam race pick up another slam and narrow the GS title gap. I'm supposed to wish that Nadal not win another slam ever again and Federer always remain the slam king.

The truth is we don't know what is going to happen. Fed may not win a slam again and Nadal could catch up, or not. Fed could add 1 or more slams still and make it more difficult.

All the numbers aside, I've come to a point where philosophically I think it is immature to desire Nadal somehow fall off the radar. Let the guy play and let the better man come out on top in the history books. If it is Nadal, so be it - it isn't like he's going to do it by winning some lottery. He'll have to win it just like Roger did.

I've come to realize that although I'm not a Nadal fan, I despise his juvenile fans more than the tennis player himself. If I ignore all the antics and just focus on his tennis shot making between the lines, he's a phenomenal player who will go down as one of the Top 5 best male players of all time even if he doesn't win one more title ever!

So to ignore all that good and just focus on the negative aspects I don't like is not right. I still wish and hope Roger remains the champ in the GS department, but not going to do it by rooting against Nadal.

This is really, a good, well put piece you've gelled together my friend.

*thumbs up*
 
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I agree that the thread is utter garbage and naturally I love to create and post in garbage threads so this is right up my street.


Nadal is pretty low on my list of players that I want to win this event.
 
All the numbers aside, I've come to a point where philosophically I think it is immature to desire Nadal somehow fall off the radar. Let the guy play and let the better man come out on top in the history books. If it is Nadal, so be it - it isn't like he's going to do it by winning some lottery. He'll have to win it just like Roger did.

Senti likes :)


Actually, Nadal does have some cute fans ... like suresh, clarky and tushy. TLW too.
 
Nadal winning would be deserved and awesome....it been 2003 since anyone conquered the Summer HC Swing.

Personally cheering for Federer, Delpo or any non slam winner other than Bedych.
 
Playing S&V and short point tennis is not horrible. It is the same style crashes that made it not as interesting. For example 2 pure net rushers, 2 pure defenders, or even 2 pure ball strikers!

There was a reason why earlier Fedal matches were so exciting. It's because they are very contrasting styles and both were playing in top form, not just one guy.

A prime S&V Sampras vs the prime baseliner Federer (if he choses to stay behind the baseline more) would also be a very interesting match up.
 
I'm a Roger fan, and i'd rather see Nadal tear an ACL in the first round and retire than win the US Open.

Frankly, I don't even want to see those two play in the QF.. i really hope Roger can donk out in the 4th round... unless Nadal donks out, then he can continue
Do you realize that any win Roger has will be meaningless if opponents get knocked off, kidnapped, donked (?) etc. You will go through life feeling great that Fed won 50 slams without facing anyone???

I am sure I could not live with that.

monfed, i don't think nikdom is adopting a superior attitude at all. It's just practical, we want Roger to win, but not to be handed trophy's without earning them. If someone is better, let him win, FCS.
 
He has this notion in his head that appreciating Ralph even though he is a Federer fan apparently makes him a better person than all of us "blind Fed worshippers" and it's some sorta higher moral code to live up to if you're a true tennis fan. Quite frankly, it's just his stupid ego playing tricks with his head. :lol:

the funny thing is that he did not even mention AT ALL the federer fans like you in his opinion piece. but almost instantly, the tribal like instincts take over, and it became an insult to you personally. wow.
 
He has this notion in his head that appreciating Ralph even though he is a Federer fan apparently makes him a better person than all of us "blind Fed worshippers" and it's some sorta higher moral code to live up to if you're a true tennis fan. Quite frankly, it's just his stupid ego playing tricks with his head. :lol:

Quoted for truth
 
monfed, i don't think nikdom is adopting a superior attitude at all. It's just practical, we want Roger to win, but not to be handed trophy's without earning them.

I hope that was sarcasm or a facsimile of Rafatroll logic. How is it possible for a player to "simply" be "handed" a trophy without "earning" it. Do tell! :rolleyes:
 
the funny thing is that he did not even mention AT ALL the federer fans like you in his opinion piece. but almost instantly, the tribal like instincts take over, and it became an insult to you personally. wow.

Gotta admit this is some quality trolling. :lol:
 
I'm a Roger fan, and i'd rather see Nadal tear an ACL in the first round and retire than win the US Open.

Frankly, I don't even want to see those two play in the QF.. i really hope Roger can donk out in the 4th round... unless Nadal donks out, then he can continue

What is wrong with you? Pathetic comment.
 
What is wrong with you? Pathetic comment.

he doesn't actually support federer, as much as he hates nadal. that is the reality for most of the fed fans on the forum. its really ridiculous how they would wish bodily harm on people whom they really don't know at all.
 
wait, am i wrong? did he even mention federer fans AT ALL?

He "represented himself as a "Federer fan". Ergo other Federer fans have the right to call him out on his statement that as a Federer fan he wants Nadal to win. It's like someone saying: "As a Red Sox fan, I want the Yankees to win" or vice versa. Or to take it even further "As an American, I want Al-Qaeda to win".

Furthermore, when you post in a public forum, you open yourself up to criticism, mockery, and derision, as well as to praise and agreement, as seen in the various responses in this and other threads. Don't want your opinion to be analyzed and criticized? Then keep it to yourself.

What is wrong with you? Pathetic comment.

I agree -- that's just taking it to the other extreme of fanaticism; however I'm sure he meant it as an "expression" exhibiting his distaste for a Federer-Nadal confrontation and not in any "literal" sense.
 
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he doesn't actually support federer, as much as he hates nadal. that is the reality for most of the fed fans on the forum. its really ridiculous how they would wish bodily harm on people whom they really don't know at all.

They must have had a field day when he was out for 7 months because of his knee injury.
 
Do you realize that any win Roger has will be meaningless if opponents get knocked off, kidnapped, donked (?) etc. You will go through life feeling great that Fed won 50 slams without facing anyone???

I am sure I could not live with that.

monfed, i don't think nikdom is adopting a superior attitude at all. It's just practical, we want Roger to win, but not to be handed trophy's without earning them. If someone is better, let him win, FCS.


Thank you Senti!

You said it better in two lines than I guess I was able to convey in a whole paragraph.
 
Nadal's recent form
Simply - he's been the best hardcourt player coming into the USO. Nadal has been showing us some nice aggressive shot making combined with his usual defensive skills and mental fortitude. Steve Tignor made a very astute comment about Nadal the other day. He writes, "In tight moments, Nadal is the rare player who can find the right balance of aggression and margin".

The USO rewards obviously the most aggressive players, but over 5 sets, low percentage shot making won't cut it. Rafa's gears give him the ability to shift up when needed yet his trademark top-spin game gives him plenty of room.

Federer
Now to the part about being a Fed fan and why this is a departure for me. It isn't like I don't want Roger to win. That's always a Federer fan's *wish*. But that can only happen if Roger is in good form and playing well. And to be honest, I don't enjoy Roger winning ugly. His game was made to flourish and for us fans to enjoy that free-floating, creative genius in full flow.

This hasn't been his summer or even year. I'm hoping by the fall indoor season he finds his mojo again, but right now we'll have to see. I'd be very pleasantly surprised if he does get through 2 of the Top 4 to win the USO.

The Rest
As for Djokovic or Murray, my personal preference is aggressive, creative players and surprisingly Nadal is the one out of those 3 that can do it and take it up a notch. Murray and Djokovic have been lackluster but we'll have to see how things go.

JMDP, Berdych and other dark horses unfortunately haven't proven themselves coming into the open. It'll take a great performance by someone to upset the Top 4 to corner yet another slam.

GOAT Challenge
Some of you may be wondering why a Fed fan would wish his nemesis in the slam race pick up another slam and narrow the GS title gap. I'm supposed to wish that Nadal not win another slam ever again and Federer always remain the slam king.

The truth is we don't know what is going to happen. Fed may not win a slam again and Nadal could catch up, or not. Fed could add 1 or more slams still and make it more difficult.

All the numbers aside, I've come to a point where philosophically I think it is immature to desire Nadal somehow fall off the radar. Let the guy play and let the better man come out on top in the history books. If it is Nadal, so be it - it isn't like he's going to do it by winning some lottery. He'll have to win it just like Roger did.

I've come to realize that although I'm not a Nadal fan, I despise his juvenile fans more than the tennis player himself. If I ignore all the antics and just focus on his tennis shot making between the lines, he's a phenomenal player who will go down as one of the Top 5 best male players of all time even if he doesn't win one more title ever!

So to ignore all that good and just focus on the negative aspects I don't like is not right. I still wish and hope Roger remains the champ in the GS department, but not going to do it by rooting against Nadal.

This is such an awesome post, I don't even know where to begin. I agree, it's juvenile to let the slam record dictate being someone's fan. I'm glad you're appreciating his aggressive HC tennis this summer. He definitely needs this title to balance out his resume. As you said, if he gets the record, he had to go out there and win them, just like Federer. Hats off man!
 
he doesn't actually support federer, as much as he hates nadal. that is the reality for most of the fed fans on the forum. its really ridiculous how they would wish bodily harm on people whom they really don't know at all.

You're right. Vero, otoh, hates Fed more than she likes Nadal. At least she hasn't said anything like what zam88 said about Nadal, though. You'd have to be a total nutter to say something like that.
 
He "represented himself as a "Federer fan". Ergo other Federer fans have the right to call him out on his statement that as a Federer fan he wants Nadal to win. It's like someone saying: "As a Red Sox fan, I want the Yankees to win" or vice versa. Or to take it even further "As an American, I want Al-Qaeda to win".

Furthermore, when you post in a public forum, you open yourself up to criticism, mockery, and derision, as well as to praise and agreement, as seen in the various responses in this and other threads. Don't want your opinion to be analyzed and criticized? Then keep it to yourself.

it is fine to disagree with him. but to claim that he is putting himself on some higher moral pedestal etc etc when the author clearly ISN'T... now i find that problematic. furthermore i would have found this behavior less problematic if the anger towards the OP is because he wished federer would not win, rather than he wished nadal would win. do you see the difference? why is everything about nadal vs federer? why must nadal and his fans be so completely demonized?
 
He "represented himself as a "Federer fan". Ergo other Federer fans have the right to call him out on his statement that as a Federer fan he wants Nadal to win. It's like someone saying: "As a Red Sox fan, I want the Yankees to win" or vice versa. Or to take it even further "As an American, I want Al-Qaeda to win".

Furthermore, when you post in a public forum, you open yourself up to criticism, mockery, and derision, as well as to praise and agreement, as seen in the various responses in this and other threads. Don't want your opinion to be analyzed and criticized? Then keep it to yourself.



I agree -- that's just taking it to the other extreme of fanaticism; however I'm sure he meant it as an "expression" exhibiting his distaste for a Federer-Nadal confrontation and not in any "literal" sense.

Perhaps, but it's still is no excuse for uttering something so vile.
 
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