Why is Germany so bad at Tennis?

[Hyde]

Actually as far as watching on TV the NFL is the second most watched sport in Germany. Not to play but to watch. You can find a million articles online about it.

It’s not true.

Formula One has an average TV viewership of about 2.5 million on RTL (a german free to air TV channel), while NFL has about 0.7 million average viewership on RTL.

Then we got Handball, which has an average TV viewership of about 5 million at World Cups and European Championships (which take place every year). You will have much more people in Germany who have watched a Formula One race or a Handball game in their life (or in the last year) in TV than people who have watched an NFL game in TV. Much, much more.

The NFL takes place from September until February and has a certain relevance during that time as a TV sport in Germany (but, like I said, much less viewership than Formula One and Handball, and comparable to Tennis Grand Slams), but American Football nearly has no relevance outside of those NFL games in Germany.

Meanwhile, 1.5 million people in Germany are registered Tennis players, 800k Handball players, 250k Basketball players, plus these sports like Handball, Basketball and Ice Hockey have domestic leagues who have a certain relevance in the country.

So no, overall, American Football doesn’t belong in this list of the most popular sports in Germany.

 

[insideguy]

It’s not true.

Formula One has an average TV viewership of about 2.5 million on RTL (a german free to air TV channel), while NFL has about 0.7 million average viewership on RTL.

Then we got Handball, which has an average TV viewership of about 5 million at World Cups and European Championships (which take place every year). You will have much more people in Germany who have watched a Formula One race or a Handball game in their life (or in the last year) in TV than people who have watched an NFL game in TV. Much, much more.

The NFL takes place from September until February and has a certain relevance during that time as a TV sport in Germany (but, like I said, much less viewership than Formula One and Handball, and comparable to Tennis Grand Slams), but American Football nearly has no relevance outside of those NFL games in Germany.

Meanwhile, 1.5 million people in Germany are registered Tennis players, 800k Handball players, 250k Basketball players, plus these sports like Handball, Basketball and Ice Hockey have domestic leagues who have a certain relevance in the country.

So no, overall, American Football doesn’t belong in this list of the most popular sports in Germany.

Yea ive read a bunch of articles on line when you get into tv rating stuff it can be murky. My wife is German and I go there a lot and Soccer is easily the biggest sport. The NFL has a footprint there though. These games they are playing in Germany are always sold out. I think they actually play in Munich next week. So there is interest there. And not just from ex-pats. I dont exactly know why that is but it seems to have a pretty decent following.

 

[Hyde]

Yea ive read a bunch of articles on line when you get into tv rating stuff it can be murky. My wife is German and I go there a lot and Soccer is easily the biggest sport. The NFL has a footprint there though. These games they are playing in Germany are always sold out. I think they actually play in Munich next week. So there is interest there. And not just from ex-pats. I dont exactly know why that is but it seems to have a pretty decent following.

You (or those articles) probably meant that the NFL is the „second most watched sports league“ in german TV. Which is true, because Formula 1, the Handball National Team, Winter Sports etc are not „sports leagues“. But these sports have much higher viewership than the NFL, they are just not „leagues“.

The reason why American Football is more popular in Germany than in other european countries has to do with american influences in the Cold War period in Germany. A lot of american soldiers were stationed in Germany in the second half of the 20th century, and they brought American Football with them and so the local population got more exposed to that sport than the people of other european countries. Because of that, the German Football League was established already in 1979, which helped to grew the sport. Then, in the 1990‘s and 2000‘s, the NFL established „NFL Europe“, which mostly took place in Germany because there was already kind of an established Football interest because of the mentioned historic reasons (American soldiers, plus German Football League since the late 70s). NFL Europe than helped to grow the sport in Germany even more.

But overall, American Football is still a niche sport in Germany, also in the media. Sports like Soccer of course, but also Handball, Tennis, Formula One, Basketball, Ice Hockey and Winter Sports get more coverage in german newspapers and media than American Football.

 

[insideguy]

You (or those articles) probably meant that the NFL is the „second most watched sports league“ in german TV. Which is true, because Formula 1, the Handball National Team, Winter Sports etc are not „sports leagues“. But these sports have much higher viewership than the NFL, they are just not „leagues“.

The reason why American Football is more popular in Germany than in other countries has to do with american influences in the Cold War period in Germany. A lot of american soldiers were stationed in Germany in the second half of the 20th century, and they brought American Football with them and so the local population got more exposed to that sport than the people of other european countries. Because of that, the German Football League was established already in 1979, which helped to grew the sport. Then, in the 1990‘s and 2000‘s, the NFL established „NFL Europe“, which mostly took place in Germany because there was already kind of an established Football interest because of the mentioned historic reasons (American soldiers, plus German Football League since the late 70s). NFL Europe than helped to grow the sport in Germany even more.

But overall, American Football is still a niche sport in Germany, also in the media. Sports like Soccer of course, but also Handball, Tennis, Formula One, Basketball, Ice Hockey and Winter Sports get more coverage in german newspapers and media than American Football.

Oddly for whatever reason US troops in Korea and Japan and Panama and various other places helped grow baseball in those countries. But it never caught on in Germany. I always find that interesting. I know handball is pretty big. Anyway dont know how accurate some of these things are but the article I just read said 3.8 million germans watched the Super Bowl. That aint to bad.

 

[Hyde]

Oddly for whatever reason US troops in Korea and Japan and Panama and various other places helped grow baseball in those countries. But it never caught on in Germany. I always find that interesting. I know handball is pretty big. Anyway dont know how accurate some of these things are but the article I just read said 3.8 million germans watched the Super Bowl. That aint to bad.

I‘m no expert on East Asia, but I think I read the other day that Baseball is popular in Japan because Japan was very much influenced by the US in the 19th century already. So Baseball was brought to Japan from the US in the 19th century, so it goes back much further than just the post Second World War era. During Second World War, I think Baseball was already big in Japan.

Also, I think (not entirely sure) there were MUCH more US soldiers in Germany than in Japan or Korea. The Americans worried about the Cold War and the Eastern Bloc / Soviet Union, so they had a massive military presence in West Germany during basically all of the second half of the 20th century.

Here you can see the TV viewership of the Super Bowl in Germany since 2017. The record viewership is about 2 million:

Super Bowl - Fernsehzuschauer in Deutschland 2025 | Statista

Die Übertragung des 59.

de.statista.com

 

[insideguy]

I‘m no expert on East Asia, but I think I read the other day that Baseball is popular in Japan because Japan was very much influenced by the US in the 19th century already. So Baseball was brought to Japan from the US in the 19th century, so it goes back much further than just the post Second World War era. During Second World War, I think Baseball was already big in Japan.

Also, I think (not entirely sure) there were MUCH more US soldiers in Germany than in Japan or Korea. The Americans worried about the Cold War and the Eastern Bloc / Soviet Union, so they had a massive military presence in West Germany during basically all of the second half of the 20th century.

Here you can see the TV viewership of the Super Bowl in Germany since 2017. The record viewership is about 2 million:

Super Bowl - Fernsehzuschauer in Deutschland 2025 | Statista

Die Übertragung des 59.

de.statista.com

Yea the troop presence in Germany was much larger. However Japan and Korea now have more US troops than Germany does. Although I have a feeling thats gonna change again with recent events. You are correct baseball did have a presence in Japan prior to ww2. But us occupation accelerated the growth. Anyway all these stats are different however that chart you just showed indicated that Super Bowl ratings have more than doubled since 2013 there. Thats pretty impressive.

 

[Hyde]

Yea the troop presence in Germany was much larger. However Japan and Korea now have more US troops than Germany does. Although I have a feeling thats gonna change again with recent events. You are correct baseball did have a presence in Japan prior to ww2. But us occupation accelerated the growth. Anyway all these stats are different however that chart you just showed indicated that Super Bowl ratings have more than doubled since 2013 there. Thats pretty impressive.

In 2014, a free TV channel in Germany started to show the NFL games during the season for free in german TV (before that, only the Super Bowl was shown in free TV). That let to accelerated growth of the NFL in Germany. See here:

https://trends.google.de/trends/explore?date=all&geo=DE&q=%2Fm%2F059yj&hl=de

 

[JasonZ]

In Germany there is football and the rest. Which one is second most popular depends completely on the success we have at the respective time. During Becker’s time it was tennis, during Nowitzki’s it was basketball. Now it is NFL actually (more like watching it for the ‘event’). Basketball could get another boom because of our WC title, but you will never get rich here by playing basketball, at best you can make a decent living while being active.

i think mma is second place now in germany, and will be second in the future after football, even though not by ethnic germans, but they will be a minority here in future.

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

i think mma is second place now in germany, and will be second in the future after football, even though not by ethnic germans, but they will be a minority here in future.

Yeah could be.

 

[insideguy]

In Germany there is football and the rest. Which one is second most popular depends completely on the success we have at the respective time. During Becker’s time it was tennis, during Nowitzki’s it was basketball. Now it is NFL actually (more like watching it for the ‘event’). Basketball could get another boom because of our WC title, but you will never get rich here by playing basketball, at best you can make a decent living while being active.

Germans may not get rich playing basketball in Germany. But a decent amount have gotten rich playing in the NBA. Im showing 8 German players currently in the NBA.

Matter of fact just found out that Franz Wagner isnt only the highest paid German NBA player he is the highest paid German athlete in the world

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

Germans may not get rich playing basketball in Germany. But a decent amount have gotten rich playing in the NBA. Im showing 8 German players currently in the NBA.

Matter of fact just found out that Franz Wagner isnt only the highest paid German NBA player he is the highest paid German athlete in the world

That is because the NBA simply pays high salaries. Tibor Pleiß who managed to get drafted by Utah Jazz and only played few minutes for a couple of games still got something like 6 millions for that short stint. Of course whoever makes it in the NBA from whatever country will get rich.

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

Again we are talking past each other and this won't be resolved. The growth of women's soccer is on a very steep upward trend. And their contracts are only going to get larger. The pool of ladies tennis players who will be able to make huge money is far less than soccer. More and More ladies are getting bigger and bigger contracts.

Please link me those contracts. The link you posted said that the best paid players in the world get less than 800,000 paid from their clubs. Not bad money but still not the millions you talked about.

You can see the growth here.

The Women’s World Cup prize pool totals $110 million this year, compared to $30 million the last time the women played a World Cup in 2019. The pay increase is largely due to the efforts of the U.S. Women’s team and their counterparts around the world to highlight the gender gap in the sport and to demand equal pay. Despite the considerable increase, the money allocated for the women’s teams lags far behind the $440 million prize awarded to the Men’s World Cup players last year. The total price money in 2019 was 30 million. In 2023 the Spanish women won the World Cup. That team alone got 10 million in prize money.

Yeah I get that (as it isn’t really rocket science and I already told you multiple times now), but some bonus all four years which is partly subsidised by the men doesn’t cut it since the regular money is paid by the clubs and as said before I can’t see that there are million contracts.
Demanding equal pay in football is by the way even dumber than in tennis but this is a different story.
Regarding your figures: that is a historically big increase for the last four years as they try to promote women’s soccer (I mean would be great for FIFA to double the revenue and get the same out of it as in mens football no?). You really think that will continue with the same margin and prize money will increase by factor 4 again? Heck no, I think this will again stagnate in the next few years.

Also again (for the third time now): the money alone doesn’t tell us the whole story about the popularity of a sport. It is the viewership ratings, and I can’t see how female football will get more here than female tennis in the foreseeable future.
But this discussion leads to nothing anyways. Let’s simply wait your five years and then talk again. We will see whether female football will be more popular than female tennis then lol.

 

[insideguy]

Please link me those contracts. The link you posted said that the best paid players in the world get less than 800,000 paid from their clubs. Not bad money but still not the millions you talked about.

Yeah I get that (as it isn’t really rocket science and I already told you multiple times now), but some bonus all four years which is partly subsidised by the men doesn’t cut it since the regular money is paid by the clubs and as said before I can’t see that there are million contracts.
Demanding equal pay in football is by the way even dumber than in tennis but this is a different story.
Regarding your figures: that is a historically big increase for the last four years as they try to promote women’s soccer (I mean would be great for FIFA to double the revenue and get the same out of it as in mens football no?). You really think that will continue with the same margin and prize money will increase by factor 4 again? Heck no, I think this will again stagnate in the next few years.

Also again (for the third time now): the money alone doesn’t tell us the whole story about the popularity of a sport. It is the viewership ratings, and I can’t see how female football will get more here than female tennis in the foreseeable future.
But this discussion leads to nothing anyways. Let’s simply wait your five years and then talk again. We will see whether female football will be more popular than female tennis then lol.

Of course it's not going to increase 300 percent in 4 years again. But it's going to increase massively. I dont really get that people cant see the money thats pouring into this. I feel like im debating something thats obvious. Women's soccer will surpass women's tennis as the most lucrative sport for women. It's barely a debate. Just the amount of women who can make a decent living at this sport now far exceeds the number of tennis players who can. And who subsidizes what is not relevant.

I will check back with ya in a few years.

 

[Olli Jokinen]

There are going to be more women making big money in soccer than in tennis. Thats just going to be a fact. You obviously haven't paid attention to the growth or the contracts that have been signed over the last year.

The record for the highest-paying cumulative contract in NWSL history was set on multiple occasions this past offseason.

Chicago Red Stars forward Mallory Swanson, Bay FC forward Racheal Kundananji, and Orlando Pride forward Barbra Banda all signed multiyear deals worth between $2 million and $2.5 million in total. Smith signed a shorter-term deal but will be paid higher annually, the Thorns said, although general manager Karina LeBlanc declined to share specific numbers.

You don't know how league football works in Europe and South America. And nobody in Europe and South America cares about football in the US anyway. Could you perhaps tell me about the average attendance and tv viewers of women's league games in Europe? Women's world cups etc. will have many viewers, but without the week-in-week-out viewership from league football, it's never going to be a big deal. Just because a few American players get nice contracts doesn't mean that it's a trend. Not a single European female football player is getting rich by playing football right now, and I doubt anyone ever will. The game just isn't interesting enough – and when even women don't watch women's league football, it's not going to change.

 

[Olli Jokinen]

It’s not true.

Formula One has an average TV viewership of about 2.5 million on RTL (a german free to air TV channel), while NFL has about 0.7 million average viewership on RTL.

Then we got Handball, which has an average TV viewership of about 5 million at World Cups and European Championships (which take place every year). You will have much more people in Germany who have watched a Formula One race or a Handball game in their life (or in the last year) in TV than people who have watched an NFL game in TV. Much, much more.

The NFL takes place from September until February and has a certain relevance during that time as a TV sport in Germany (but, like I said, much less viewership than Formula One and Handball, and comparable to Tennis Grand Slams), but American Football nearly has no relevance outside of those NFL games in Germany.

Meanwhile, 1.5 million people in Germany are registered Tennis players, 800k Handball players, 250k Basketball players, plus these sports like Handball, Basketball and Ice Hockey have domestic leagues who have a certain relevance in the country.

So no, overall, American Football doesn’t belong in this list of the most popular sports in Germany.

Yes, that NFL statement is complete ********. This article is pretty good, though https://euroweeklynews.com/2024/09/17/how-much-is-the-nfl-followed-in-europe/

 

[Olli Jokinen]

i think mma is second place now in germany, and will be second in the future after football, even though not by ethnic germans, but they will be a minority here in future.

It's Formula 1.

 

[insideguy]

You don't know how league football works in Europe and South America. And nobody in Europe and South America cares about football in the US anyway. Could you perhaps tell me about the average attendance and tv viewers of women's league games in Europe? Women's world cups etc. will have many viewers, but without the week-in-week-out viewership from league football, it's never going to be a big deal. Just because a few American players get nice contracts doesn't mean that it's a trend. Not a single European female football player is getting rich by playing football right now, and I doubt anyone ever will. The game just isn't interesting enough – and when even women don't watch women's league football, it's not going to change.

It's not just a few athletes. Honestly the debate is about Women's soccer over taking women's tennis as the most lucrative sport for women. And it will. I dont care that you dont care about women's football in the USA. Thats honestly not relevant. I dont care about handball in Europe. Thats also not relevant. Women from all over the world are coming to the USA to play soccer. And are signing bigger contracts every year. It's honestly not even a debate. More women already can make a decent living at soccer than tennis. And that divide is only going to increase. But you guys can "think" what you want.

 

[Olli Jokinen]

It's not just a few athletes. Honestly the debate is about Women's soccer over taking women's tennis as the most lucrative sport for women. And it will. I dont care that you dont care about women's football in the USA. Thats honestly not relevant. I dont care about handball in Europe. Thats also not relevant. Women from all over the world are coming to the USA to play soccer. And are signing bigger contracts every year. It's honestly not even a debate. More women already can make a decent living at soccer than tennis. And that divide is only going to increase. But you guys can "think" what you want.

Yeah, that bubble is going to burst. But it's great to see even more people playing it, because it's the best sport in the world.

 

[insideguy]

Yeah, that bubble is going to burst.

Dude. 2024 Olympics. Each win for the US team gave them 12 grand. They won 7 games, and got a 36,000 dollar bonus for winning the gold. The players on that team made 120 grand each for winning gold. And that is outside of their club or other national team appearances. Each appearance for a women's national team member including friendlies is 10 grand. Plus an extra 12 grand for a win. Thats just for any national team appearance or win. That means if they win a friendly game they get 22 thousand dollars.

And this is all outside of their club contracts. Honestly you guys dont know what you are talking about. Most of you are just trying to look at club contracts. Thats not the only income the elite players bring in. And your bubble thing is a joke. There is literally no indication of any bubble bursting. The league is expanding.

 

[insideguy]

You don't know how league football works in Europe and South America. And nobody in Europe and South America cares about football in the US anyway. Could you perhaps tell me about the average attendance and tv viewers of women's league games in Europe? Women's world cups etc. will have many viewers, but without the week-in-week-out viewership from league football, it's never going to be a big deal. Just because a few American players get nice contracts doesn't mean that it's a trend. Not a single European female football player is getting rich by playing football right now, and I doubt anyone ever will. The game just isn't interesting enough – and when even women don't watch women's league football, it's not going to change.

Utterly false. Matter of fact the 3rd highest paid women in football is from Spain. She made over 4 million dollars last year. Yes 3.2 million of that was endorsements. So what? Soccer made her rich. You honestly dont know what you are talking about.

 

[Olli Jokinen]

Dude. 2024 Olympics. Each win for the US team gave them 12 grand. They won 7 games, and got a 36,000 dollar bonus for winning the gold. The players on that team made 120 grand each for winning gold. And that is outside of their club or other national team appearances. Each appearance for a women's national team member including friendlies is 10 grand. Plus an extra 12 grand for a win. Thats just for any national team appearance or win. That means if they win a friendly game they get 22 thousand dollars.

And this is all outside of their club contracts. Honestly you guys dont know what you are talking about. Most of you are just trying to look at club contracts. Thats not the only income the elite players bring in. And your bubble thing is a joke. There is literally no indication of any bubble bursting. The league is expanding.

The Olympics are every 4th year. And again, you're just talking about the US team. The average attendance in the US women's league is around 10.000 which is ok, but it's not amazing for a country that big.

 

[insideguy]

The Olympics are every 4th year. And again, you're just talking about the US team. The average attendance in the US women's league is around 10.000 which is ok, but it's not amazing for a country that big.

And its increased like massively over the last 5 years. Mostly you're just clueless. The growth is super fast, and your proclamations about bubble bursting or hoping whatever you are doing doesn't change that. The ability for more women to make more money in soccer far exceeds what the women in tennis can do. Again it's really not even close. And that isnt to diss tennis. But it's not set up for hundreds of ladies to make a good living out of it.

 

[big bang]

Take a look at Sweden if you think it’s bad in Germany. For so many years Sweden had at least one or two top players and a bunch of guys in top 100.

 

[Moose Malloy]

No because both are growing by leaps and bounds. Already 15 pro women soccer players earned over a million last year. And bigger contracts are being signed every year. It will easily pass the amount of ladies on tour earring that much. WNBA ratings have exploded this year with more people watching the finals than almost any WTA finals in the states. The growth of the league is happening fast. With many sellout crowds. Within 5 years there will be more lady millionaires in soccer than tennis. And in 10 years it won't even be close.

one of the biggest stars in the WNBA only makes 73k a year. 16 year old Evert probably made more than that in endorsements in 1971.

273 women in the WTA have made at least 100k this year. 50 women made over a million. Those lady soccer players have a long way to catch up! And of course this chart doesn't include endorsement money. I wonder how much endorsement money those 15 ladies make in comparison to non top 10 players like Garcia, Boulter, Vekic etc.

https://wtafiles.wtatennis.com/pdf/rankings/All_YTD_Prize_Money.pdf

Also, ratings aren't really relevant when discussing the money a sport generates, tennis has never gotten great ratings. Little league world series, hot dog eating contests, spelling bee, etc all get higher ratings than the average tennis broadcast. Yet ESPN just paid 2 billion for a 12 year extension of their rights to the US Open. They pay all their commentators(McEnroe, Cahill, Shriver etc) a ton. And every year the USO gets paltry ratings. So why do they spend so much to broadcast it? Because tennis fans are generally a pretty wealthy demographic. And that is also a reason sponsors continue to support all these 250 events that have no fans in the stands year after year. Because some guy in Osaka/Hungary/whatever thinks it's a good idea to have a sign behind the players plugging his business. however much dorks here continue to say tennis is declining there is seemingly no end to the amount of people who want to sponsor a tournament(one 250 goes under, another pops up. go figure). Guess only the Saudis can end that tour structure.

 

[Casey 1988]

Weather sucks and only rich people play tennis

/thread

Right unlike USA where cities build or co-build often for a local high school as high schools do sports. To get really good you do often need for tennis a club, but not always as some people have shown in USA in last 20 years but living in warmer weather is the big reason in the USA. Even Canada builds tennis courts for each city, but you see sports like both field and ice hockey, speed skating short track, Canadian Football, as the big sports out in Canada mainly both hockey's where in summer to fall people play field then go on to play ice hockey becuse of the weather. The weather is why Canada excels in winter Olympic sports, only a few areas are good for tennis like lower Ontario, Vancouver when not raining or some of the areas on east coast like New Brunswick or Quebec on the coast. USA has a number of areas in Texas, Florida, Hawaii, Georga and a bunch of southern states to play though most cites are too poor to have a tennis court in the USA South but people often move to the bigger cities that do have public courts as these little cities in the south are dying off due to no jobs in said city.

 

[insideguy]

In 2014, a free TV channel in Germany started to show the NFL games during the season for free in german TV (before that, only the Super Bowl was shown in free TV). That let to accelerated growth of the NFL in Germany. See here:

https://trends.google.de/trends/explore?date=all&geo=DE&q=%2Fm%2F059yj&hl=de

one of the biggest stars in the WNBA only makes 73k a year. 16 year old Evert probably made more than that in endorsements in 1971.

273 women in the WTA have made at least 100k this year. 50 women made over a million. Those lady soccer players have a long way to catch up! And of course this chart doesn't include endorsement money. I wonder how much endorsement money those 15 ladies make in comparison to non top 10 players like Garcia, Boulter, Vekic etc.

https://wtafiles.wtatennis.com/pdf/rankings/All_YTD_Prize_Money.pdf

Also, ratings aren't really relevant when discussing the money a sport generates, tennis has never gotten great ratings. Little league world series, hot dog eating contests, spelling bee, etc all get higher ratings than the average tennis broadcast. Yet ESPN just paid 2 billion for a 12 year extension of their rights to the US Open. They pay all their commentators(McEnroe, Cahill, Shriver etc) a ton. And every year the USO gets paltry ratings. So why do they spend so much to broadcast it? Because tennis fans are generally a pretty wealthy demographic. And that is also a reason sponsors continue to support all these 250 events that have no fans in the stands year after year. Because some guy in Osaka/Hungary/whatever thinks it's a good idea to have a sign behind the players plugging his business. however much dorks here continue to say tennis is declining there is seemingly no end to the amount of people who want to sponsor a tournament(one 250 goes under, another pops up. go figure). Guess only the Saudis can end that tour structure.

Again you're looking at salaries. She is making far more in endorsements. And the league has broken attendance and tv ratings records this year. In fact the finals have gotten better ratings than the ladies US open finals in the states. People here dont have any sense of history. In the late 70s the NBA was a freaking disaster. Franchises were folding, the league was on the verge of bankruptcy. NBA players were making nowhere near the money that MLB, NFL, or even tennis players made back then.


What happened is two individuals came along. One was named Larry Bird, the other Magic Johnson. And it changed everything. Now NBA players salaries are on average the highest of any sports league in the world.

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

Utterly false. Matter of fact the 3rd highest paid women in football is from Spain. She made over 4 million dollars last year. Yes 3.2 million of that was endorsements. So what? Soccer made her rich. You honestly dont know what you are talking about.

You say it yourself, most of it came from endorsements. By the same logic we can take Kournikova as an example on how much you can make in tennis even as a more or less mediocre player. Alisha Lehmann also does not make the money she makes purely based on her football ability. What salary the club is paying shows how much it can afford to pay meaning how much money the sport generates. So I understand the third highest paid woman gets 800,000 salary. Not bad but far away from what the third best woman in tennis gets in prize money.

 

[insideguy]

You say it yourself, most of it came from endorsements. By the same logic we can take Kournikova as an example on how much you can make in tennis even as a more or less mediocre player. Alisha Lehmann also does not make the money she makes purely based on her football ability. What salary the club is paying shows how much it can afford to pay meaning how much money the sport generates. So I understand the third highest paid woman gets 800,000 salary. Not bad but far away from what the third best woman in tennis gets in prize money.

Sure. You can say that. The reason she got those endorsements is people knew who she was, she was attractive and companies put money behind her. The reason is they did that is they wanted to get a return on their investment. The only reason these companies do that is that there are people out there that like these athletes and will buy what they endorse. 10 years ago no lady soccer player ever could make over 3 million in endorsements. Just didnt happen. Now it does.

By the way Caitlin Clark has a 28 million dollar endorsement deal from Nike. If you think this isnt just the beginning I cant help ya.

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

Sure. You can say that. The reason she got those endorsements is people knew who she was, she was attractive and companies put money behind her. The reason is they did that is they wanted to get a return on their investment. The only reason these companies do that is that there are people out there that like these athletes and will buy what they endorse. 10 years ago no lady soccer player ever could make over 3 million in endorsements. Just didnt happen. Now it does.

By the way Caitlin Clark has a 28 million dollar endorsement deal from Nike. If you think this isnt just the beginning I cant help ya.

Look I seriously don’t care anymore to convince you. Three people in this thread have told you now all there is to tell to which you answered with “you are clueless” “I don’t care this I don’t care that”. Not sure why you are so invested in that but let us just leave it at what we said and wait and see. You can come back to us in 5 years in case your prediction came true and tell us all that “you always said so”.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

Nice synecdoche.

 

[Hyde]

Take a look at Sweden if you think it’s bad in Germany. For so many years Sweden had at least one or two top players and a bunch of guys in top 100.

Sweden is a small country, you can’t expect that much from them.

We must expect more from Germany. Germany must be the best or at least on par with the best Tennis countries in Europe long term. Having one player in the Top 50 ATP and zero players in the Top 50 WTA isn’t going to do that.

 

[zakopinjo]

Sweden is a small country, you can’t expect that much from them.

We must expect more from Germany. Germany must be the best or at least on par with the best Tennis countries in Europe long term. Having one player in the Top 50 ATP and zero players in the Top 50 WTA isn’t going to do that.

Zverev, Struff, Koepfer, Altmaier, Marterer, Hanfmann

 

[big bang]

Sweden is a small country, you can’t expect that much from them.

We must expect more from Germany. Germany must be the best or at least on par with the best Tennis countries in Europe long term. Having one player in the Top 50 ATP and zero players in the Top 50 WTA isn’t going to do that.

Its not that simple, Sweden had more top players than Germany for several decades. Just like Denmark been a top nation in badminton for like forever with less than 6 million People. Compare that to China or any other asian nation and the Numbers dont add up

 

[insideguy]

Look I seriously don’t care anymore to convince you. Three people in this thread have told you now all there is to tell to which you answered with “you are clueless” “I don’t care this I don’t care that”. Not sure why you are so invested in that but let us just leave it at what we said and wait and see. You can come back to us in 5 years in case your prediction came true and tell us all that “you always said so”.

Cool.

 

[Shaj]

Just an Off topiker, Did Becker and Graf had an affair? I find hard to believe that Becker wouldnt have hit on Graf. Did she comply?

 

[SonnyT]

Not true, two German speakers were among the best tennis players: Federer and Thiem! But they speak the upper dialects of Deutsche!

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

Just an Off topiker, Did Becker and Graf had an affair? I find hard to believe that Becker wouldnt have hit on Graf. Did she comply?

Lol. Graf is definitely not Becker’s type.