Why is Isner so bad outside U.S.?

John Isner is a unique type of one-dimensional player. Instead of excelling mostly on a single surface, he excels only in America and is average-to-terrible outside America. What gives? Has any player ever been so country-specific in their career success?
 

vive le beau jeu !

Talk Tennis Guru
John Isner is a unique type of one-dimensional player. Instead of excelling mostly on a single surface, he excels only in America and is average-to-terrible outside America. What gives? Has any player ever been so country-specific in their career success?
you might like this thread (even if numbers probably need some update):
14/17... i was thinking on this earlier this week !
(make it 16/17 for english-speaking countries)

there's a similar (but softer) trend for roddick:
33/52 finals in the US
46/52 finals in english-speaking countries (including canada/montreal, ok) ;)
 

bullfan

Legend
Nadal's results have more to do with surface than country. Isner's is an interesting case and I suspect a bit part of it is mental.
A huge part is that he has no skills outside of a serve.

The other aspect is that he isn't into being outside the US, and needs his good old boyo's near by..... He thrives in the South....
 

Tcbtennis

Hall of Fame
I've heard Jim Courier talk about this. He basically said that (in his opinion) John Isner has a negative approach when it comes to travel outside of the U.S. He complains about the food. He complains about missing American sports (football). He sets himself up for poor results by having such a poor attitude. Jim said that in contrast he loved the opportunity to travel around the world and tried to embrace the culture of the places he visited. Courier is fluent in French. John Isner thinks that the American South is "God's Country". Enough said.
 
I've heard Jim Courier talk about this. He basically said that (in his opinion) John Isner has a negative approach when it comes to travel outside of the U.S. He complains about the food. He complains about missing American sports (football). He sets himself up for poor results by having such a poor attitude. Jim said that in contrast he loved the opportunity to travel around the world and tried to embrace the culture of the places he visited. Courier is fluent in French. John Isner thinks that the American South is "God's Country". Enough said.
I just lost a little bit of respect after reading that.

Not all...good guy, nice career, but he acts like a whiny crybaby.
 

Devilito

Hall of Fame
He's maxed out, will never be a top player or win a slam. He's happy where he is. He's making tons of bank and is set for life.
 

President

Legend
I've heard Jim Courier talk about this. He basically said that (in his opinion) John Isner has a negative approach when it comes to travel outside of the U.S. He complains about the food. He complains about missing American sports (football). He sets himself up for poor results by having such a poor attitude. Jim said that in contrast he loved the opportunity to travel around the world and tried to embrace the culture of the places he visited. Courier is fluent in French. John Isner thinks that the American South is "God's Country". Enough said.
I bet Isner is a Republican too...
 

bullfan

Legend
I bet Isner is a Republican too...
Isner made a fool of himself last year at the USOpen by getting upset that the crowd was cheering for Monfils. After the match Isner was tone deaf in commenting about wanting to go back to the south......

His camp had an on court visit from the Ump, after harassing Kohlshreiber.... Such a classy guy, not...... He doesn't mind having a bs sponsor that uses nicotine in the product.....and has recently been in court because he attempted to bribe the Republican governor of Virginia. He's a tool....
 

Mustard

Talk Tennis Guru
Imagine how John McEnroe, a New Yorker, must have felt when the crowd at Flushing Meadows would cheer on Jimmy Connors against him. Not only that, but Connors would have the crowd in the palm of his hand.

John Isner certainly shouldn't have taken it personally when they cheered for Gael Monfils.
 
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The average North American tennis player has a big serve, big forehand, average to bad everything else and plays considerably better on North American soil. With this undeniable trend going on it's expected that we will find these characteristics at extreme levels in some cases.
 
Imagine how John McEnroe, a New Yorker, must have felt when the crowd at Flushing Meadows would cheer on Jimmy Connors against him. Not only that, but Connors would have the crowd in the palm of his hand.

John Isner certainly shouldn't have taken it personally when they cheered for Gael Monfils.
Because Monfils has, you know, PERSONALITY!

If he only took the game seriously...
 

70後

Hall of Fame
The average North American tennis player has a big serve, big forehand, average to bad everything else and plays considerably better on North American soil. With this undeniable trend going on it's expected that we will find these characteristics at extreme levels in some cases.
American players can easily switch between two sports. Wear that baseball cap backwards if you are playing tennis, remember to twist it the other way if you are playing baseball. Not much difference except for the scoring method.
 

coloskier

Legend
The average North American tennis player has a big serve, big forehand, average to bad everything else and plays considerably better on North American soil. With this undeniable trend going on it's expected that we will find these characteristics at extreme levels in some cases.
The Bryans and Jack Sock seem to do pretty well on foreign soil, even if it is doubles.
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
The average North American tennis player has a big serve, big forehand, average to bad everything else and plays considerably better on North American soil. With this undeniable trend going on it's expected that we will find these characteristics at extreme levels in some cases.
Great post. The Andy Roddick Syndrome. Roddick needs to make some commercials for the USTA: "Friends don't let friends go pro with no return of serve, backhand, or volleying skills."

I know people don't like one-dimensional tennis that Isner, Raonic, Karlovic, et al. play. But the negativity seems a little overboards. Give him some level of respect for maximizing what he's got and having a decent career.
 

marc45

G.O.A.T.
According to this article it's because he misses Applebees

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/16/s...aple-for-cincinnati-masters-players.html?_r=1

Isner is a home grown American boy and he gets homesick when he can't have microwaved crap filled with salt and sugar with free soda refills etc...he also told some Italian players that Carabas has good Italian food (!) which is wrong on so many levels...
hey, you beat me to my op! :)

Applebee's should do some national marketing to tennis players..

"Burgers and 140 MPH Serves!"
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
John Isner is a unique type of one-dimensional player. Instead of excelling mostly on a single surface, he excels only in America and is average-to-terrible outside America. What gives? Has any player ever been so country-specific in their career success?
In America, he doesn't have to sit in small cars, sleep in hotel rooms where his head will hit the ceiling, or go in bathrooms which he can hardly squeeze into.
 
Because Monfils has, you know, PERSONALITY!

If he only took the game seriously...
And that's why I can't understand most American tennis fans. John Isner is by far the best they've got, but they care more about getting their entertainment fix than a player who wins matches.

I guess I don't blame them for finding a different way to choose who they cheer for. They have absolutely no real talent on the horizon.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
John Isner is a unique type of one-dimensional player. Instead of excelling mostly on a single surface, he excels only in America and is average-to-terrible outside America. What gives? Has any player ever been so country-specific in their career success?
2 of his 9 titles have come in Auckland, New Zealand (one of them earlier this year) so it's not exactly true that he can only ever achieve anything on US soil.
 

Roddick85

Hall of Fame
I don't think Isner is that much better in the U.S than he is anywhere else.
Isner usually "peeks" between Wimbledon and the Rogers Cup (Canada) when there's a lots of smaller tournaments in the USA (Washington, Atlanta etc..) that none of the top guys really play and that makes him look a lot better than what he usually is when all the top guys are playing.

He did go deep in IW 2012 and last year in Cincinnati, but let's face it, he's got a huge serve that can trouble anyone, even the top guys, so sure from time to time, when the stars align, he'll win a few more rounds than usual, but that's the story of his career. Fact is, regardless of the venue, he'll always have that big serve, but everything else in his repertoire is either under average or average. He just doesn't have the game to trouble the top guys consistently.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
In addition to the two Auckland titles, he was finalist in Serbia Open '10, won mixed dubs (Mattek Sands) in Hopman Cup, first to take Nadal to 5 set @RG, won dubs and finalist (Querrey) @Rome, and was instrumental in two DC ties in Seitzerland and France. He can play outside the US.
 

tipsa...don'tlikehim!

Talk Tennis Guru
He's actually doing good at times on 250 tournaments played on hardcourt, the majority of them he plays occurs to be in the US.

And yeah as for Matster 1000, all of them are in US too (1 in Canada). (indian wells and Cincinnati are his 2 best)
 

BeefyDeedz

New User
Fair play to John for making some sort of career and being a perennial top-20er but he's never going to be more. He's rich, he has a good life, but he hasn't been particularly 'good' anywhere. The majority of his titles are small tournaments in America at times when no top players fancy challenging him. Case in point is Atlanta and even now in Winstom Salem. Top seed at no.14 (now 15) and a good chance for his tenth title. This is great relative to most players, but he's not 'bad' outside of the US either. He just usually plays the bigger tournaments out there and thus is less likely to win, along with being less than enamored with the culture.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
One of the commentators said that it was not clear if Isner is a tennis pro who is very nice, or a very nice guy who just happens to play tennis. Both Isner and Querrey played multiple sports and radiate a "nice guy who doesn't mind losing" vibe.
 
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