Why is Murray branded a pusher rather than a tactician?

Murray Mound said:
Of coures fed is always in God Mode when he wins but not playing his best when he loses. We know this because his fans and fed himself always say so. :shock:
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ok. where exactly did i imply this? Federer played well in those two slam finals. that is really all i said. if you want to be a troll. that is your problem
 
Murray is a guy with a lot of weapons yet choses to push and grind it out for whatever reason. He might have a major to his name right now if he decided to use his whole offensive skill set.
 
I too am confused about this term "pusher". In terms of game "style", wouldn't Rafa be in this conversation? Or is he different because he turns defensive shots to offensive winners? Isn't this the only difference between Murray and Rafa?

Can someone clearly define these playing "styles" and maybe name CURRENT players that have those styles?
 
Murray Mound said:
Of coures fed is always in God Mode when he wins but not playing his best when he loses. We know this because his fans and fed himself always say so. :shock:

Now I have shown four videos and i dont see where he pushes. can you show me any video anywhere where Murray was pushing?:confused:
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Doesn't Murray say the same about himself when he loses too? That he didn't play his best. All of them say that. So what else is new.
 
bruce38 said:
Doesn't Murray say the same about himself when he loses too? That he didn't play his best. All of them say that. So what else is new.
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No they really don't. Especially Nadal.

Both Fed and Murray are artists....the only thing that bothers me about Fed is that he has this image of being so classy and instead he behaves like a sore loser. Fed displays the worst sportsmanship i have ever seen in my life. It's like he has a magic wand amd puts eberyone under hypnosis into believing how classy he is .

With Murray on the other hand what you see is what you get.
 
Murray Mound said:
No they really don't. Especially Nadal.

Both Fed and Murray are artists....the only thing that bothers me about Fed is that he has this image of being so classy and instead he behaves like a sore loser. Fed displays the worst sportsmanship i have ever seen in my life. It's like he has a magic wand amd puts eberyone under hypnosis into believing how classy he is .

With Murray on the other hand what you see is what you get.
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i don't see much from him, so i don't get much
 
Murray Mound said:
Which particular shot did you think was pushing? I didn't see even one.
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I hope for your sake that you're either blind or joking because that point was the definition of pushing, if you had Fed or Nadal in that position the point would've ended way earlier, and neither Fed nor Nadal would've lost the first set to Benneteau
 
Blinkism said:
Oh, come on, JBF, lighten up.

You used to be cool :lol:
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Argh......ok. Here's a kitten to lighten things up a bit.

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Murray Mound said:
Maybe you missed this?:

Here's a video entitled "Murray just a pusher part 1". After watching it you will never call Andy a pusher again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG8jdpmCaVE&feature=youtube_gdata
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I absolutely loathe this particular smiley, but I'm going to use it ---> :lol:

Random points from random matches (usually against Rafa on HCs it seems, hmmm I wonder why) is supposed to give us a better understanding of a player's overall style. Priceless.

And no, I don't think Murray is a "pusher", and in a sense the video title is actually accurate. But I hope the poster of those videos (it's not you?) was not aiming to say "actually this is the way he plays", but rather "Murray can play like this too". Because Murray can play an aggressive game (not points, mind you), but he does not. Most of the time he tends to plays passive.
 
Murray Mound said:
No they really don't. Especially Nadal.

Both Fed and Murray are artists....the only thing that bothers me about Fed is that he has this image of being so classy and instead he behaves like a sore loser. Fed displays the worst sportsmanship i have ever seen in my life. It's like he has a magic wand amd puts eberyone under hypnosis into believing how classy he is .

With Murray on the other hand what you see is what you get.
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You mean his fugly face? Yeah... And his crazy passive pusher like game? Yeah...

I know he can play aggressive sometimes, but the problem I have with him is HE DOESN'T FREAKIN CHOOSE TO PLAY AGGRESSIVE and always resorts to his passive, defensive game! It's so frustrating to watch, and add to that his negative attitude... :(
 
Murray Mound said:
Of coures fed is always in God Mode when he wins but not playing his best when he loses. We know this because his fans and fed himself always say so. :shock:

Now I have shown four videos and i dont see where he pushes. can you show me any video anywhere where Murray was pushing?:confused:
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I just think that Murray doesn't have the "it factor" yet to win a slam final at this moment, he is such a passive player bordering on lazyness. He was always in God Mode during earlier rounds of a HC slam but totally collapses when reaching the final. There must be something wrong with this guy, though his stroke is flawless and efficient almost similar to Mecir whom I liked so much, his game doesn't suit for a slam final. I couldn't say he is a pusher.

Well, when luck is on his side, he might win one or two, i hope.
 
18X20Newbie said:
I too am confused about this term "pusher". In terms of game "style", wouldn't Rafa be in this conversation? Or is he different because he turns defensive shots to offensive winners? Isn't this the only difference between Murray and Rafa?

Can someone clearly define these playing "styles" and maybe name CURRENT players that have those styles?
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No b/c Rafa uses his shots to get you out of position, and then hit winners from the baseline with aggressive groundies.

Murray constantly waits for his opponent to make an UE to win the pt. I'd say most of Murray's winners come from passing shots, when he cant wait for an error, he has to try to end the pt in his favor.
 
sh@de said:
You mean his fugly face? Yeah... And his crazy passive pusher like game? Yeah...

I know he can play aggressive sometimes, but the problem I have with him is HE DOESN'T FREAKIN CHOOSE TO PLAY AGGRESSIVE and always resorts to his passive, defensive game! It's so frustrating to watch, and add to that his negative attitude... :(
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Id take that attitude over the nancy mary attitude of some other players.
 
Murray a powerful forehand? ROTFL!!! There's one reason why he is destroyed in majors on hardcourts by players with firepower. Federer, Verdasco, Cilic...
Murray is damn passive and yes he pushes most of the time! He is a pusher with a big serve!!! Why do you think he is the only top 5 player with 0 Slams?
 
Mun said:
Murray a powerful forehand? ROTFL!!! There's one reason why he is destroyed in majors on hardcourts by players with firepower. Federer, Verdasco, Cilic...
Murray is damn passive and yes he pushes most of the time! He is a pusher with a big serve!!! Why do you think he is the only top 5 player with 0 Slams?
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I agree 100% and that's the reality.
 
he doenst have a big forehand. I have rarely seen him hit a strong forehand, he did hit one or two in the ao final but thats all. Out of all the top 5 players, his forehand is the weakest. Lovely backhand though
 
I see him as a tactician. That pushing label is annoying. I wouldn't care if he pushed or not, he's done well to get so high in the rankings. I don't think some people like that.
 
because everyone hates him he is ugly, plays a kind of ugly game, has an ugly attitude, can in no way be a face that represents tennis, cant even make a good head commercial, even though i think he can take it pretty well if you know what i mean

jk
 
dropshot winner said:
By this logic a player with no weapons trying to be more agressive is a ballbasher.

Murray was accused by many on TT of pushing in the Wimbledon SF, which is nonsense. Sure he did play too passive on some key points, but he had a very solid winner/ue ratio.

Even Agassi whom no one would describe as a pusher played the "keep the ball in play"-kind of game towards the end his career, he wasn't called "The Punisher" for nothing. It's about using your phyiscal edge as an advantage.
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Murray is not a pusher! BRAD GILBERT WAS A PUSHER!!!!!
 
Murray Mound said:
This is not at all what Andy does . Yes he can hit a dropper and then lob it over your head in a cat and mouse game but that is NOT pushing!!! That's tactics!!

He also can amd does hit with a Ton of power both on serves and ground strokes .
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McEnroe doesn't hit hard (never did), but no-one will call him a pusher. The guy's a genius in placing the ball just out of reach.

I think Murray's passive play gets to ppl.
 
Well technically, not everyone brands him a pusher. A pro pusher is much different than one would imagine a club level pusher to be... I tend to see him as a counterpuncher...
 
I always thought of Andy as a good tactican. He could play aggressive as well when he needed to. However, I think he gotten used to the defensive style too much, and it's not enough against attackers who have a great day.
 
samprasvsfederer123 said:
because everyone hates him he is ugly, plays a kind of ugly game, has an ugly attitude, can in no way be a face that represents tennis, cant even make a good head commercial, even though i think he can take it pretty well if you know what i mean

jk
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I think the bolded part fits more than just Murray.
 
Murray is branded a pusher by people that dont know squat about tennis or what makes a pusher...it is silly to call him that
 
Disagree somewhat

Retrieving everything back and forcing guys to hit winners from low percentage positions is a valid tactic IMO. That type of consistency in tennis IMO is more impressive than the run and gun tactics alot of people use. In fact, i am thinking that the pro level may be the only place where a pusher isnt going to always have the upper hand.

Also, have only seen Murray a few of times and he doesnt only do this. He was running an on form Nadal ragged at the AO so he can change tactics.
 
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