Why is nadal so much more popular than Djokovic?

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  1. SumYungGai

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    Nadal actually has a more dynamic game than Djokovic - hence he is more fun to watch. He uses more angles, opens up the court more, and takes more risks. Besides straight play, he's a more genuine and likable guy on and off the court. You can see how much fun he has and that bleeds into the crowd and the spectators of the sport.

    Not to mention he was unstoppable on clay for the longest time.
     
  2. DreddyTennis45

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    Obviously. But timing is also key

    Lol they're both insanely popular wherever they go. Federer isn't pushed down people's throats, he's just incredibly popular so too Nadal. Not everything is a competition
     
  3. Chadillac

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    Fakes injuries and bounces the ball 27 times on break points against. Nadal is very hard to watch with his 45 secs between points so he can pick his butt.

    Tough call, i dont like watching either since they both play the same point every single time. No variety
     
  4. TheFifthSet

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    You're imagining things. Federer won the fan favourite award in 2003, before he started racking up endorsements and getting marketed heavily.
     
  5. KINGROGER

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    I preferred young aggressive jerk Djokovic. Now he tries too hard to be funny and loving everyone.
     
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    That is almost exactly the conversation I have had many times about the three.

    For me, players I like have tennis talent, competitiveness, and class. I'd give Djo the first, and a C grade in the second, but he never seems genuine or sincere in winning or defeat. He has definitely become more practiced at looking the part but you just know he is dying inside to yell, "LOOK AT ME AND HOW AMAZING I AM." That is the difference in appreciated legends, people you can appreciate and watch, and then Djokovic,
     
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    It's because Nadal is more attractive physically, has the better personality, is the more humble human, has the more unique and entertaining game and is the bigger champion. Any more questions?
     
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    Rafa:
    1) Has been on the map longer.
    2) Was part of many of the best matches in the past decade
    3) Was part of one of the most popular rivalries ever (with Fed).
    4) Wins with defense but also with incredible shotmaking. Unique style of play with incredible topspin, angles, passing shots, etc.
    5) Is humble off court and seems like he shies away from attention instead of craving it.

    Djoko has good traits, but some of his issues are:
    1) He comes across as trying too hard for attention. (Like Wozniacki).
    2) Antagonizes the crowd at times when they cheer for the opponent.
    3) Antagonized a home favourite in Roddick at the US Open.
    4) Is incredibly adept at a style of play that works in the current environment, but seems similar to many other players.
    5) His on court celebrations (i.e. screaming and ripping his shirt in half) may have irked the opponent and fans.
     
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    I'm not gay, but I have a gay friend who supports your opinion.
    Clearly it's easy to me understand Nadal mainly because we speak Spanish as our mother language, so I know exactly what he's trying to tell. It doesn't happen when I hear Djokovic, even when my English is really good.
    True.
    Not necessary the most entertaining game, but it's a very unique style.
    Nadal was, is, and could still be a bigger champion than Nole.
     
  10. Druss

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    You summoned it up perfectly! However, Djokovic-Murray rivalry will never come close to the Fedal rivalry. They are too similar and their matches are just too boring.
     
  11. MichaelNadal

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    Exactly. Nadal never had that "look how great I am at tennis" thing about him even though he is. Humble, different, devastating.
     
  12. adil1972

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    where will u rank djokovic, if he didnt win any more slams
     
  13. 125downthemiddle

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    Federer has definitely been less humble than Novak, so using this criteria, you should rank Djoko in the middle above Federer in terms of likeability, but you don't.

    I have some thoughts as to why people don't like Novak on the whole, and they do not reflect well on the human species. It's always tricky in arguments like this, because everyone is entitled to their opinion and it's mainly all in good fun, so people don't like to be challenged or feel like they should be told who to like or not. But I do think there are some unpleasant reasons that contribute to why some people seem to have a visceral distaste for ND.
     
  14. MichaelNadal

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    I didn't really like Federer until 2010-ish though for the same reasons. As arrogant as he was, he never told a paying crowd to suck him off or ripped his shirt like Hulk Hogan, or celebrated in front of Nadal's hotel shirtless after a win, or cupped his ear to crowds that don't like him while sarcastically asking for applause.... those are the kind of things that push Novak past the likeability line. Who would I rather hang out with? Novak.
     
  15. 125downthemiddle

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    That's true about Novak ...I just personally view it as more genuine to be a good loser/"bad" winner than vice versa. To me, someone's true graciousness comes out when they've lost.
     
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    Every person is different, I think plenty of genuine good winners exist. Novak is just a terrible one. He is certainly good in defeat though which is impressive, but it's kinda nullified by the way he acted when he won. Since 2014 though he's calmed down a ton with all that mess, and that's why I really don't have a problem with him now, just ready for other people to step up and make tennis interesting again.
     
  17. Bukmeikara

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    I believe people like Nadal more because:
    1. He was a direct underdog to someone like Federer for a long period of time and people tend to cheer for outsiders, so probably it came naturaly that they became fond of him.
    2. Djokovic broke the hegemony of the two most beloved players ever. Their fans may not hate him about it but would never like him either especially when Nadal/Federer still being active and often playing with Novak.
    3. Nadal is hispanic and their population is just enourmous. Djokovic is coming from a small country/region and doesn't have that kind of headstart.
    4. Nadal is probably more aesthetic for womens.
     
  18. 125downthemiddle

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    What was the worst Djoko celebration for you? I remember Rafa was pissed after 2011 Madrid boisterous celebration. Vaijda shirtless shaking it on the car :D
     
  19. 125downthemiddle

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    I don't think so, but I'm not a woman :)
     
  20. clayqueen

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    That may be so, but is it possible that he has actually been voted the fans' favourite for 12 years on the trot. Come on! Rafa always leads on social media by a mile in every tournament where it is measured and is, evidently, immensely popular all around the world. For the first time, yesterday, Moon Court had to be cordoned off to keep fans out during his doubles match. You'd think that he may have been voted fans' favourite just once since he turned pro.

    The fact is, the Fans' Favourite Award is sponsored by Moet & Chandon who Sponsor Federer so it's a marketing exercise. Simple as that. As for the Stefan Edberg Award, don't get me started on that. Federer has won that since Adam was a boy except for 2010 when Rafa won it. Why? Because Federer is the only sitting nomination of 3 or 4 on the ballot paper put to the players every year. It's a joke. In 2014 Cilic, who had served a suspension for doping, was nominated along with Federer, of course, plus Dimitrov and Nishikori. It's not rocket science what is going on here.
     
  21. TheFifthSet

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    Only loosely related to the post I made.
     
  22. MichaelNadal

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    Probably Madrid there yeah. On court and after. It was like um, how many times did Nadal beat that ass in big matches, and did he ever act like a buffoon after? I just didn't understand the need to act like a ******. You finally beat Rafa on clay after 5 years, want a cookie? :D I also don't like the "better than me, my ass!" comment to Murray's face.
     
  23. clayqueen

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    So on the basis of being voted the fans' favourite in 2003 he's racked up endless endorsements? Can you not see that the fans' favourite award is a marketing tool?
     
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    Djokovic pretends to be a good loser but, in my opinion, it's at odds with his outbursts during a match when things are not going his way by smashing racquets, furniture etc. If he feels that annoyed about losing a point how can he suddenly be so magnanimous when he loses the match. It doesn't add up.
     
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    Accepting sponsorship means that the sponsors will promote you, as well as their product. Obviously, you need a certain amount of popularity to get the sponsorship, but once you have certain sponsors, and you are prepared to play their game, it shapes and boosts your image. Those sponsors will place adverts, and expect newspapers and magazines to run flattering features on their stars etc.
     
  26. clayqueen

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    And fake popularity awards. KIA should have started their own popularity award and make Rafa the winner every year or any other sponsor should do the same for their player. It's a farce.
     
  27. TheFifthSet

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    If you want to insinuate that it's rigged in some way, that's fine. But your hawt taek won't be taken seriously without proof.

    Bears repeating that Federer won his first FFW before he became the media darling + endorsement machine that he is today.
     
  28. clayqueen

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    But Federer was head and shoulders above his peers because he was unbeatable by the likes of Hewitt, Henman, Roddick and Ljubucic so he was king of all he surveyed and was crowned the GOAT. However, when Nadal came along and brought Fed's invincibility into question and later Djokovic and Murray, the establishment didn't want to eat their words so they have continued to put Fed back on the pedestal that he fell off years ago.
     
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  29. TheFifthSet

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    I've got news for you, they all pretend to be 'good losers'. All of them are upset in the immediate aftermath of a loss. Which makes being able to graciously congratulate your opponent all the more difficult. Djokovic shouldn't get flak for being good at that, it makes him a good sportsman. If it were Nadal you'd be extolling him.
     
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    It is true that Federer is the only one nominated by the ATP for the sportsmanship award every year, is it not? It is true that Moet & Chandon sponsor the fans' favourite award as well as Federer, is it not?
     
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    It's fake. Federer, Nadal and Murray look visibly upset when they lose it's natural.
     
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    Young men admire Nadal's athleticism, older women think he is cute and he 'turns on' gay guys.

    Djokovic has an ethnic fan base with little crossover appeal.
     
  33. clayqueen

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    Which category do you fall into?
     
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    Clearly you'd know better than anyone, considering I'm gay and I don't find him attractive at all.
     
  35. Bartelby

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    One man turning on the universe of gay guys is a bit improbable.

     
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    Like I said, clearly you know exactly what they want and like, so by your lead.
     
  37. TheFifthSet

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    I like my conspiracy theories to be well-crafted.
     
  38. TheFifthSet

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    Did I utter a single world about the sportsmanship award in my OP? I'm not in the know about it. If there really are only 3-4 yearly candidates for that award, feel free to shoot me a link.

    Like I said, your replies to my posts are only loosely related to the posts in question, at best.
     
  39. Bartelby

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    Nadal's fans always construct themselves as under attack. It's a part of the pathology.
     
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  40. TheFifthSet

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    Are you being purposely obtuse, or...? Maybe I'm being rash, but that's the impression I'm getting.

    Yes, by your definition, it's fake. This was already covered.

    It's interesting the lengths you'll stoop to. Being gracious in defeat is a mark against somebody, to you, because on the inside they feel crummy about losing. I guess nobody can ever be classy in defeat, since every single tennis player feels like hot garbage after they lose.
     
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  41. Bartelby

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    And yet you do seem to be in thrall to him.

     
  42. MichaelNadal

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    The only conclusion that can be drawn, is that you repeatedly make incorrect inferences, owed to your distorted sense of self-awareness over things you know nothing about.
     
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    Thank you, Dr. Spock.
     
  44. TheFifthSet

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    Oh for crying out loud man, really?
     
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    What, indeed, are we crying out loud about?

     
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    The one name that is always on the list of nominees is Federer even in the year that he was fined for swearing at the umpire. These are just examples of the rigged system.



    Stefan Edberg Sportsmanship Award

    According to the ATP, this award is given to "the player who, throughout the year, conducted himself at the highest level of professionalism and integrity, who competed with his fellow players with the utmost spirit of fairness and who promoted the game through his off-court activities."
    In 2011, the nominees are Djokovic, Federer (won it for 6 straight years - 2004-2009), Nadal (won in 2010)

    Stefan Edberg Sportsmanship

    The nominees for 2013 are Del Potro, Federer, Ferrer and Nadal ...... Who would you give the Stefan Edberg sportsmanship award too? hawkeye: Posts : ... 2007 - James Blake, Roger Federer, Carlos Moya, Jarkko Nieminen


    Roger Federer: Fellow players voted the Swiss as the winner of the Stefan Edberg Sportsmanship Award for the 11th time and fifth year in a row. He also won the award six straight years from 2004-09. Rafael Nadal, David Ferrer and Kevin Anderson were also nominated in this category.

    _________________________________
    Who is the moderator of the voting? I don't trust the system at all.
     
  48. Incognito

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    Because aside from Federer, only Rafa can produce a forehand shot like this on the run on a low ball:

     
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    Just deleted a duplicated post.
     
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    Andrew Benton ‏(a Photographer): "Never seen before - cordon at Moon Court entrance where it was Rafael Nadal & Carreno Busta v Mao-Xin Gong & Ze Zhang at China Open:" https://twitter.com/thangnangman/status/783740925184835584/photo/1

    This was a doubles match and there was a half empty center court where a singles match was taking place.
    Nadal is the true fans' favourite.
     
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