Why isn't the Pure Aero 98 more popular on here?

Fighting phoenix

Professional
Thing is, you can get the Extreme Tour and Vcore 98 online in other shops which are way Cheaper than TWE.
ET 157€ and Vcore 182€.
The PA98 is TW exclusive and you have to pay the price which TW sets and is way too high.
Huh interesting - the United States seem to be much tighter across retailers controlling pricing according to what the manufacturers want. There are sales and deals that pop up over time, but usually after the racquet has been on the market for a while. I could not get an ET or Vcore new at those prices here.
 

GodlessEndeavor

Professional
The PA98 is TW exclusive and you have to pay the price which TW sets and is way too high.

I suspect it's more Babolat setting the price than TW. I say that because Babolat's official UK website sells it for almost exactly the same price after converting currencies:

 

Fighting phoenix

Professional
I suspect it's more Babolat setting the price than TW. I say that because Babolat's official UK website sells it for almost exactly the same price after converting currencies:

Correct, prices are set by manufacturers, and sales they have are determined by them as well.
 

Honza

Semi-Pro
I bought 3 of them used plus a bag for 440 €. A new one costs 299€. They were close to new and all were within 3g weight.
Recreational players buy them just to find out, that its not a stick for them at all and want to sell them fast.

That said its awesome and hitting the ball in the sweet spot means trouble for your opponent. More pace, more spin and very good control.
Missing the sweet spot wasn't a problem for my game, but for my wrist and arm very much. I played 2-4 times a week for a month and am still recovering. My new Ezones 98 should arrive in 2 days.
The PAs were sold for 600 Euros, so the experiment made a small profit.

Tbh deapite my competition days are gone with 40y of age, im a bit jealous of the arms and wrists that can swing this stick. It was an awesome month.
 

Fighting phoenix

Professional
I bought 3 of them used plus a bag for 440 €. A new one costs 299€. They were close to new and all were within 3g weight.
Recreational players buy them just to find out, that its not a stick for them at all and want to sell them fast.

That said its awesome and hitting the ball in the sweet spot means trouble for your opponent. More pace, more spin and very good control.
Missing the sweet spot wasn't a problem for my game, but for my wrist and arm very much. I played 2-4 times a week for a month and am still recovering. My new Ezones 98 should arrive in 2 days.
The PAs were sold for 600 Euros, so the experiment made a small profit.

Tbh deapite my competition days are gone with 40y of age, im a bit jealous of the arms and wrists that can swing this stick. It was an awesome month.
I’m 51 and mostly play singles competitively - crossing my fingers, and sticking to softer polys! I should know if it will be a problem for my arm in the next month as I have usta sectionals coming up and will be playing at least 4x per week. I might try a gut/poly hybrid, just worried since the racquet is very powerful already.
 

Tweener

Semi-Pro
I was starting to develop tennis elbow playing with my pro staffs. A few months after transitioning to the PA98/PAVS with hyper-g and volkl cyclone (relatively stiff polys), my tennis elbow is entirely healed. I know this is my own anecdotal experience and it can vary for each individual, but rumors of the PA98 causing arm issues are a bit overstated imo. Cyclone is my new string of choice and it's been great (at 51lbs for me).
 

J D

Semi-Pro
I demoed the PA 98 and fell in love with it. It was just perfect on groundstrokes and volleys for me. Power, control, spin, stability, maneuverability, it has it all.

A 4.5 player I practice with, 1 year out out of high school, tried it a few times and felt the same way. A 4.5 women I also practice with, young, fast, athletic hard-hitter, tried it and didn’t like it a bit. She uses the PA 2016. A 4.0 guy I give lessons to also didn’t like it. He much preferred the PD 98. He normally uses the the PA 2019.

So, it’s not for everybody. If it works for you, it’s amazing. If not, it’s nothing special. It really needs to be easier to find demos because a lot of people are going to be disappointed buying it blind.

I would switch, but I just don’t serve as effectively with it as I do with several other frames. It’s odd, because feel like I serve well with the 98 but a lot more of my serves come back. It’s obvious I’m not bothering my opponents as much as I typically do. I depend on serve too much to use a frame that doesn’t maximize it.

I’m sure I’ll eventually pick up a used one and see if I can tweak it to serve better for me. Maybe lighter strings for more RHS would help.
 
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TennisHound

Legend
Both the PA98 and PD98 need a wider frame. I think Babolat was confused on whether to make a control or power 98. So they ended somewhere in between. Why not make it 23mm in the hoop like the PA100 (current 98 is 21mm)?
 

Djinn

Semi-Pro
Both the PA98 and PD98 need a wider frame. I think Babolat was confused on whether to make a control or power 98. So they ended somewhere in between. Why not make it 23mm in the hoop like the PA100 (current 98 is 21mm)?
PA98 is 23 mm in the hoop. 21/23/22. The Pure Aero is 23/26/23.
 

gino

Legend
I was starting to develop tennis elbow playing with my pro staffs. A few months after transitioning to the PA98/PAVS with hyper-g and volkl cyclone (relatively stiff polys), my tennis elbow is entirely healed. I know this is my own anecdotal experience and it can vary for each individual, but rumors of the PA98 causing arm issues are a bit overstated imo. Cyclone is my new string of choice and it's been great (at 51lbs for me).
likely due to your string switch, cyclone considerably softer than other polys
 

J D

Semi-Pro
I thought the VS was a topspin machine for baseliners, even with weight in the hoop. lt was like a less stable PA with more control and less pop. It’s an easy to handle stick that works well for many levels of players. The 98 is much more versatile and stable but is also a lot more demanding.

For me, they are very different racquets. There won’t a consensus. I liked them both but prefer the 98. However, it’s not going to be everyone’s cup of tea.
 

TennisHound

Legend
Because the Pure Aero is a chonky boi and not every racquet needs to be like that. If you want a thick beam, just get the Pure Aero perhaps. Most racquets in the PA98 class have tapered beams these days including the Extreme Tour, Vcore 98, etc.
Thanks, go have another beer bro, lol
 

Hit 'em clean

Semi-Pro
Price, felt brassy to me (partly string job in the demo), smallish sweetspot, less power/spin, felt sluggish to swing. For me these all contrasted with the PA100 which is a much easier racquet to use and felt much better on my arm. I had similar experience with PD VS... lost all the benefits of the 100in version which left me asking why would I want it. More importantly if I go with the lower power racquet I want it to fell more flexible and both VS version felt firmer to me than the 100 versions... so again... why?

At the end of the day most players are probably coming to the same conclusion otherwise it would be a crazy good seller. But the PA100 hits on so many more positives for so many more levels of players... hence why it's way more popular. I know of only one person in our league across the city that used a PA98.

I'm not knocking the racquet... it's just something that apparently works for the few rather than the many.
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
I play at a tennis club and the sheer number of different rackets people play is overwhelming. So expecting a tennis forum to all rally around a single frame no matter how fabulous you think it is, well that's a bit naive.

Fact is, virtually every high end racket is a great frame. The differences are really quite minor especially amongst the mainstream brands. I"m sure the PA 98 is one such frame and will suit a certain type of player the most. But it's not going to blow anything else in the same category out of the water. You can only do so much with a 98 inch graphite frame.
 

Tweener

Semi-Pro
Price, felt brassy to me (partly string job in the demo), smallish sweetspot, less power/spin, felt sluggish to swing. For me these all contrasted with the PA100 which is a much easier racquet to use and felt much better on my arm. I had similar experience with PD VS... lost all the benefits of the 100in version which left me asking why would I want it. More importantly if I go with the lower power racquet I want it to fell more flexible and both VS version felt firmer to me than the 100 versions... so again... why?

At the end of the day most players are probably coming to the same conclusion otherwise it would be a crazy good seller. But the PA100 hits on so many more positives for so many more levels of players... hence why it's way more popular. I know of only one person in our league across the city that used a PA98.

I'm not knocking the racquet... it's just something that apparently works for the few rather than the many.

I play at a tennis club and the sheer number of different rackets people play is overwhelming. So expecting a tennis forum to all rally around a single frame no matter how fabulous you think it is, well that's a bit naive.

Fact is, virtually every high end racket is a great frame. The differences are really quite minor especially amongst the mainstream brands. I"m sure the PA 98 is one such frame and will suit a certain type of player the most. But it's not going to blow anything else in the same category out of the water. You can only do so much with a 98 inch graphite frame.
I wasn't asking the original question in the context of it being a racquet I thought should be the most popular recreational frame or anything along those lines. I originally thought of the question because it was a few months after the launch of the PA98 and I hadn't seen a single post about it in the first few pages of the racquets section. I think the exclusivity of it is contributing to the lack of popularity. I had a friend who wanted to get one and since he wasn't able to find it in any tennis shops locally, he ended up demoing and getting a Pure Strike instead. Price was a secondary factor for him, and indeed they are aggressively priced.

In line with your comments about it catering to a small sub section of players/abilities, I compared it with the PS97. The PS97 doesn't "blow anything else in the same category out of the water", nor does it have a big sweet spot or a lot of free power. To me, these sticks are roughly in the same league in terms of the size of their addressable markets. I get the storied history of pro staffs and their relatively better "feel", but in terms of results I don't think a lot of the players using them are maximizing their games with the PS97. I played in a WTN tournament recently and saw a 16 year old girl using a PS97. She had good technique but was wildly inconsistent and seemed like she could barely swing the thing fast enough to serve properly.
 

Tweener

Semi-Pro
What's the consensus between what's better -- the PA98 or PA VS?
I prefer the look and feel of the PAVS. I get more control with the PA98, maybe because of the higher swing weight and lack of oval shaped spin grommets. I was lucky enough to get a PAVS and PA98 which are within 2 grams of each other with a very similar balance. I use the PAVS when I want a bit more power and aggression, and switch to the PA98 whenever I'm feeling like the ball is flying a bit and I want more control. They're very similar overall, so using them interchangeably is quite easy. The PA98 has more of a dead feel to it, but also slightly more plow through (at least it seems that way). If I were to take a wild guess, I'd say they play about 95% the same overall.
 

Mischko

Professional
The market for PA98 is much much bigger than the market for PS97

There practically isn't a younger player who doesn't want to at least try it, we all know why. It's also an allround kind of frame, you can attack, you can defend and counterpunch, you can grind, good serves, looks fairly attractive. It requires a bit of that Babolat typical upwards shoveling motion, just like Pure Strike etc.

PS97 v14 is marketed to older players, to put it directly - it's even brown. It doesn't work well at all for double handed backhands, which obviously takes away a huge part of the market, and is not an allrounder but very clearly an attackers' frame. Today people are grinders and defenders much more often than attackers. I really like it, best Pro Staff in a long time, I'll probably get one to experiment with

The girl used a 315g PS97 or a lighter one perhaps, like PS97L or UL? They look almost identical

I also prefer Aero VS - that's my racquet for the last 2 years - to PA98, but I don't think they are that similar like most people here seem to write.
 

Fighting phoenix

Professional
I prefer the look and feel of the PAVS. I get more control with the PA98, maybe because of the higher swing weight and lack of oval shaped spin grommets. I was lucky enough to get a PAVS and PA98 which are within 2 grams of each other with a very similar balance. I use the PAVS when I want a bit more power and aggression, and switch to the PA98 whenever I'm feeling like the ball is flying a bit and I want more control. They're very similar overall, so using them interchangeably is quite easy. The PA98 has more of a dead feel to it, but also slightly more plow through (at least it seems that way). If I were to take a wild guess, I'd say they play about 95% the same overall.
Wow very cool to be able to compare the two and switch between them easily with the similar swing weight. Yeah I think what you're saying is the general consensus - I'm now using the PA 98, but the VS's in general now are pretty hard to come by.
 

Fighting phoenix

Professional
The market for PA98 is much much bigger than the market for PS97

There practically isn't a younger player who doesn't want to at least try it, we all know why. It's also an allround kind of frame, you can attack, you can defend and counterpunch, you can grind, good serves, looks fairly attractive. It requires a bit of that Babolat typical upwards shoveling motion, just like Pure Strike etc.

PS97 v14 is marketed to older players, to put it directly - it's even brown. It doesn't work well at all for double handed backhands, which obviously takes away a huge part of the market, and is not an allrounder but very clearly an attackers' frame. Today people are grinders and defenders much more often than attackers. I really like it, best Pro Staff in a long time, I'll probably get one to experiment with

The girl used a 315g PS97 or a lighter one perhaps, like PS97L or UL? They look almost identical

I also prefer Aero VS - that's my racquet for the last 2 years - to PA98, but I don't think they are that similar like most people here seem to write.
I think what @Tweener was trying to say was that the size of the market for the 97 Pro Staff and the PA98 are about the same, which is probably roughly accurate as the regular PA (100) is way more ubiquitous than the PA98 - just targeted towards different demographics like you say - and the Pro Staff 97 is way more visible than it should be. I think it is interesting and disappointing for tennis geeks like us to see 16 year olds playing with racquets they shouldn't play with just cause they're everywhere and easier to come by, or like that guy with the Pure Strike VS. I see that all the time and makes me want to create a volunteer racquet service or something for people - I've played many a USTA match against lower level 4.0s using a Roger Pro Staff when they shouldn't be, or using a regular pro staff when they're trying to be heavy topspin baseline grinders, etc.. There was a guy on my team who has a decent game but is guilty of shanking way too many balls and is squarely in the middle aged male demographic, be all proud of his new Radical Pros - the dude for sure needs more of a tweener 100 sq in racquet, but he still thinks he's a college level player needing a player stick.
 

Mischko

Professional
How many people actually know that Alcaraz is using the Pure Aero 98? Obviously hardcore tennis nerds do, but a lot of people probably just assume it's the babolat pure aero?
Alcaraz, Rune, Fils, Prizmic etc are all using the Aero VS for several years now. They probably never even had a PA98 in their hands.
 

Mischko

Professional
First Aero was made for Nadal when he was 17, Aero line didn't exist before that. Nadal still plays with it.

2017 Aero VS was made for Felix, when he was 17, and he still plays with it. It has a flat beam, it's very easy to distinguish

2020 Aero VS was made for Alcaraz, when he was 17..

All three are very stiff and direct feeling, made for competition and hardest possible hitting. Not comfy at all, and not well adapted to the average racquet buyer
 

Djinn

Semi-Pro
First Aero was made for Nadal when he was 17, Aero line didn't exist before that. Nadal still plays with it.

2017 Aero VS was made for Felix, when he was 17, and he still plays with it. It has a flat beam, it's very easy to distinguish

2020 Aero VS was made for Alcaraz, when he was 17..

All three are very stiff and direct feeling, made for competition and hardest possible hitting. Not comfy at all, and not well adapted to the average racquet buyer
You are right about the Pure Aero (Aero Pro Drive at the time) being originally made for Nadal due to his forehand style.

However, you are wrong on both other accounts. Pure Aero VS and Pure Drive VS were just made because there was some vocal demand for the two most popular 100 sq. in. Babolat racquets to be offered in the 98 sq. in. package.

Felix originally used the Pure Strike racquet and later switched to the Pure Aero VS Tour, which was basically a re-brand of the Pure Storm racquet when it released in 2016.

Additionally, there's nothing to suggest that the Pure Aero VS 2020 was designed for Alcaraz. He grew up using the Pure Aero and simply switched to the Pure Aero VS after release. Furthermore, it has all but been confirmed that both Alcaraz and Rune have switched to the new Pure Aero 98, as evidenced by close-up pictures showing a lack of the oval grommets that are found on the Pure Aero VS 2020.

As for your last point of these racquets being "very stuff and direct feeling, made for competition and hardest possible hitting. Not comfy at all, and not well adapted to the average buyer." everyone is different and has varying tastes and likes. There's plenty of players out there who like these frames as well.

Hope this was helpful. Cheers.
 

Fighting phoenix

Professional
You are right about the Pure Aero (Aero Pro Drive at the time) being originally made for Nadal due to his forehand style.

However, you are wrong on both other accounts. Pure Aero VS and Pure Drive VS were just made because there was some vocal demand for the two most popular 100 sq. in. Babolat racquets to be offered in the 98 sq. in. package.

Felix originally used the Pure Strike racquet and later switched to the Pure Aero VS Tour, which was basically a re-brand of the Pure Storm racquet when it released in 2016.

Additionally, there's nothing to suggest that the Pure Aero VS 2020 was designed for Alcaraz. He grew up using the Pure Aero and simply switched to the Pure Aero VS after release. Furthermore, it has all but been confirmed that both Alcaraz and Rune have switched to the new Pure Aero 98, as evidenced by close-up pictures showing a lack of the oval grommets that are found on the Pure Aero VS 2020.

As for your last point of these racquets being "very stuff and direct feeling, made for competition and hardest possible hitting. Not comfy at all, and not well adapted to the average buyer." everyone is different and has varying tastes and likes. There's plenty of players out there who like these frames as well.

Hope this was helpful. Cheers.
Yep! All true. Also, I'm a borderline 4.5 singles player, 51 years old, and the PA98 is great for me - no arm discomfort at all, somewhat smallish sweet spot, but hey - I grew up playing with 85 sq inch racquets so 98 feels crazy forgiving lol. Not as stiff as the Pure Drive, the regular PA 100 feels bulky and doesn't have the control that I crave for my game.
 

SackFeral

New User
I have tried probably 20 different frames over the last year, I'm settling on the PA98, done, selling off all the others. Closest I came to really sticking to something was getting 3 good condition DR98's, but they didn't have as much oomph or spin as I hoped. The PA98 is closest to the 2023 VC95, except it is so much better on defense and at net due to the stiffness and slightly bigger hitting area. Biggest surprise for me with the aero was how thin it felt, it's significantly less clunky than the 100, and whippier/cuts through the air faster than pretty much every racket I've used. I grew up playing a 95 sq inch box beam racket (Prince EXO ignite team), so I like the feeling of weight in the head, and am comfortable with smaller sweetspots. This thing is super stable and dependable, I can dip forehands anywhere in the court and feel like any mistakes are due to my own bad hitting, great serving racket, super stable and whippy for my OHBH. It's not perfect, it's pretty stiff and kinda muted, going to try some new strings but I'm determined to stick with it because I love the precision it gives.
 

Clarky75

New User
I used to play quite a high level and coming back to the game

I had a whole bunch of racquets on my radar, Pure Aero 98 was not one of them

After testing multiple it just felt the best for my game. I didn’t expect to walk out with I, I was thinking Yonex, Head or Prince, but didn’t like them for various reasons
 
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