why nadal attend 2020 acapulco open ?

skypadq

Semi-Pro
it 's dosen 't seem to make sence
nadal 's biggest gold is alway 's RG
But what does Nadal get by joining Acapulco?
nadal could loss NK or zverev or FAA or isner or dimitrov or wawrinka
or nadal even loss anybody in acapulco
nadal loss sam querry in 2017 acapulco final
 

ibbi

Legend
They probably give him mucho dinero. I know he talked last year about how he loves it there, and prioritized it even over Miami.

Definitely seems ridiculous to me that this old guy who gets bullied and beaten up by hardcourts his entire life is out there still playing 500s on them at this stage in his career.
 

ChrisRF

Hall of Fame
I don’t understand it as well. If I were as good on clay as Nadal (and seemingly never injured when playing on clay as well) I would make all my optional tournaments apart from the one mandatory post-US-Open event clay tournaments (and there are enough in the calendar).
 

N01E

Professional
He has an academy in Mexico, so perhaps something related to that? Must be getting pretty good fees as well considering fed won't be out of Dubai (and Novak now probably as well with his golden visa). All things considered I think it's about money more than anything else.
 

octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
it 's dosen 't seem to make sence
nadal 's biggest gold is alway 's RG
But what does Nadal get by joining Acapulco?
nadal could loss NK or zverev or FAA or isner or dimitrov or wawrinka
or nadal even loss anybody in acapulco
nadal loss sam querry in 2017 acapulco final
I wonder why you, Fed devotee, are constantly worrying about Rafa. :unsure:
 

octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
He has an academy in Mexico, so perhaps something related to that? Must be getting pretty good fees as well considering fed won't be out of Dubai (and Novak now probably as well with his golden visa). All things considered I think it's about money more than anything else.
In Mexico, Rafa has a tennis centre (launched a year ago). It's not an academy. He has academies in Malloca and Kuwait (he inaugurated the latter this month).
 

octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
I don’t understand it as well. If I were as good on clay as Nadal (and seemingly never injured when playing on clay as well) I would make all my optional tournaments apart from the one mandatory post-US-Open event clay tournaments (and there are enough in the calendar).
You don't know the ATP rules! Commitment players must play a minimum of four 500 level tournaments during the calendar year, including at least one event following the US Open (Monte Carlo Masters 1000 event will count towards the minimum of four). A commitment player is any player positioned in the Top 30 in the ATP Rankings at the end of the previous season.

There are only 2 ATP-500 clay court tournaments in the calendar: Rio & Barcelona. He doesn't want to play in Rio due to high humidity levels.
 

weelie

Semi-Pro
He has an academy in Mexico, so perhaps something related to that? Must be getting pretty good fees as well considering fed won't be out of Dubai (and Novak now probably as well with his golden visa). All things considered I think it's about money more than anything else.
Didn't he part-own some hotels there as well?
 

octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
@weelie
Nadal has an hotel in Mexico too, if I'm not mistaken.
Rafa is part owner (since 2013) of two resort hotels in the Mexican island of Cozumel located off Mexico's Caribbean coast. The resorts are adjacent to each other and have tennis courts, including a hard court. He has practiced there many times before playing in Acapulco or Indian Wells.
The tennis centre he opened in Mexico a year ago is located near the city of Cancun on the Caribbean mainland coast. The flight distance from Cancun to Cozumel is about 75 km/ 47 miles.

The two resort hotels Rafa partially owns in Cozumel (The picture was taken a long time ago, the hard tennis court was resurfaced after Rafa became a co-owner of the hotels):


Rafa and Francisco Roig in Cozumel in February 2016:
 
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blablavla

Hall of Fame
You don't know the ATP rules! Commitment players must play a minimum of four 500 level tournaments during the calendar year, including at least one event following the US Open (Monte Carlo Masters 1000 event will count towards the minimum of four). A commitment player is any player positioned in the Top 30 in the ATP Rankings at the end of the previous season.

There are only 2 ATP-500 clay court tournaments in the calendar: Rio & Barcelona. He doesn't want to play in Rio due to high humidity levels.
Hamburg was promoted to Masters?
Or ATP finally allowed them to play on HC?
 

jm1980

G.O.A.T.
You don't know the ATP rules! Commitment players must play a minimum of four 500 level tournaments during the calendar year, including at least one event following the US Open (Monte Carlo Masters 1000 event will count towards the minimum of four). A commitment player is any player positioned in the Top 30 in the ATP Rankings at the end of the previous season.

There are only 2 ATP-500 clay court tournaments in the calendar: Rio & Barcelona. He doesn't want to play in Rio due to high humidity levels.
Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic have all broken this rule in the past couple years by playing 3 or fewer 500s in a year

I highly doubt they care one bit about keeping up with this commitment rule
 

blablavla

Hall of Fame
Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic have all broken this rule in the past couple years by playing 3 or fewer 500s in a year

I highly doubt they care one bit about keeping up with this commitment rule
they didn't really break it.
If I remember well how it works, then the mechanism is following.

One has to play 4 GS + 10 Masters + 4 500 tournaments, out of which one shall happen after USO.
When Roger or Novak played less than 4 500 tournaments, they simply got zero points for that slot.
Now, even if for example they would have won a 250 level, e.g. Dubai, it will not count in the ranking, and there will be a zero slot in the countables tournaments.
While, had they played the 4 500 tournaments, and for example in one of them losing early, while having a title at a 250 level, then the 250 title would replace the result with less points.

Why they didn't break it?
Because the ATP rules say something like: the players that are 31 years old, and played more than 600 ATP level matches are exempt from mandatory participation.
This is why a healthy Fed allowed himself to skip the clay season, and this is why a healthy Fed was still considering the next year whether to play any clay tournament or not.
Otherwise, if you are below the age or below the matches bracket, then you can skip the tournament only when injured. Though not sure what would be the sanctions if someone would decide to skip a GS for example these days.
 

ChrisRF

Hall of Fame
You don't know the ATP rules! Commitment players must play a minimum of four 500 level tournaments during the calendar year, including at least one event following the US Open (Monte Carlo Masters 1000 event will count towards the minimum of four). A commitment player is any player positioned in the Top 30 in the ATP Rankings at the end of the previous season.

There are only 2 ATP-500 clay court tournaments in the calendar: Rio & Barcelona. He doesn't want to play in Rio due to high humidity levels.
I know about the one mandatory 500 after the US Open, that’s why I excluded this. But he only has to play there and then still can make 4 other 500s count (inluding Monte Carlo despite having 1000 points).

So that could be:
Rio de Janeiro
Monte Carlo
Barcelona
Hamburg (in July after Wimbledon)

If he doesn’t like Rio then why not at least Hamburg? I just ask, I don’t want to criticize him.
 

octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
Hamburg was promoted to Masters?
Or ATP finally allowed them to play on HC?
The ATP-500 in Hamburg has never been in Rafa's schedule. He usually takes a vacation between Wimbledon and the North American HC swing. He took a wild card into the 2015 Hamburg only because he lost early in many tournaments that year.
To me, the Hamburg tournament is nonexistent.
 

jm1980

G.O.A.T.
they didn't really break it.
If I remember well how it works, then the mechanism is following.

One has to play 4 GS + 10 Masters + 4 500 tournaments, out of which one shall happen after USO.
When Roger or Novak played less than 4 500 tournaments, they simply got zero points for that slot.
Now, even if for example they would have won a 250 level, e.g. Dubai, it will not count in the ranking, and there will be a zero slot in the countables tournaments.
While, had they played the 4 500 tournaments, and for example in one of them losing early, while having a title at a 250 level, then the 250 title would replace the result with less points.

Why they didn't break it?
Because the ATP rules say something like: the players that are 31 years old, and played more than 600 ATP level matches are exempt from mandatory participation.
This is why a healthy Fed allowed himself to skip the clay season, and this is why a healthy Fed was still considering the next year whether to play any clay tournament or not.
Otherwise, if you are below the age or below the matches bracket, then you can skip the tournament only when injured. Though not sure what would be the sanctions if someone would decide to skip a GS for example these days.
The exemption you're talking about doesn't apply to this rule
 

blablavla

Hall of Fame
The exemption you're talking about doesn't apply to this rule
perhaps.
then the rule probably says if you don't play a 500 level after USO, then u get zero points for the 4th slot.
so the only way to break this rule is by ATP to count something they shouldn't count, which isn't a player breaking the rule
 

blablavla

Hall of Fame
The ATP-500 in Hamburg has never been in Rafa's schedule. He usually takes a vacation between Wimbledon and the North American HC swing. He took a wild card into the 2015 Hamburg only because he lost early in many tournaments that year.
To me, the Hamburg tournament is nonexistent.
And I thought that there are only 2 500 clay tournaments in the calendar.
As Rio is as well not in Rafa calendar, then the only calendar coming to my mind is the ATP Calendar, but apparently that is a wrong answer :)

There are only 2 ATP-500 clay court tournaments in the calendar: Rio & Barcelona. He doesn't want to play in Rio due to high humidity levels.
 

octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
...
Because the ATP rules say something like: the players that are 31 years old, and played more than 600 ATP level matches are exempt from mandatory participation.
This is why a healthy Fed allowed himself to skip the clay season, and this is why a healthy Fed was still considering the next year whether to play any clay tournament or not.
Otherwise, if you are below the age or below the matches bracket, then you can skip the tournament only when injured. Though not sure what would be the sanctions if someone would decide to skip a GS for example these days.
Players who are 31+ years old & have played 600+ ATP level matches & have been a pro player 12+ years are fully exempted from participation in the Masters 1000 tournaments.
GS tournaments are the ITF events (not the ATP events) and they are not mandatory for the ATP players (i.e. a player won't be penalized for not participating). But GS tournaments count towards a player's ranking and he'll receive a zero-point result for a tournament missed.
 

jm1980

G.O.A.T.
perhaps.
then the rule probably says if you don't play a 500 level after USO, then u get zero points for the 4th slot.
so the only way to break this rule is by ATP to count something they shouldn't count, which isn't a player breaking the rule
The zero point penalty is the consequence of breaking this rule. Not that it matters for any of these guys, as they don't play enough tournaments for it to matter anyway
 

blablavla

Hall of Fame
The zero point penalty is the consequence of breaking this rule. Not that it matters for any of these guys, as they don't play enough tournaments for it to matter anyway
zero points is not the penalty, as you can't have points that you didn't win.
penalty would be having minus something, e.g minus 500 points for not playing a 500 level tournament.

it's like saying, I didn't go to work because I just wanted to chill and they penalized me by not paying salary.
while a penalty would be paying some amount of money as a sanction, or the contract being terminated.
 

octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
I know about the one mandatory 500 after the US Open, that’s why I excluded this. But he only has to play there and then still can make 4 other 500s count (inluding Monte Carlo despite having 1000 points).

So that could be:
Rio de Janeiro
Monte Carlo
Barcelona
Hamburg (in July after Wimbledon)

If he doesn’t like Rio then why not at least Hamburg? I just ask, I don’t want to criticize him.
Rafa doesn't play in Hamburg after Wimbledon because he usually has other plans for July:
 

jm1980

G.O.A.T.
zero points is not the penalty, as you can't have points that you didn't win.
penalty would be having minus something, e.g minus 500 points for not playing a 500 level tournament.

it's like saying, I didn't go to work because I just wanted to chill and they penalized me by not paying salary.
while a penalty would be paying some amount of money as a sanction, or the contract being terminated.
But that's exactly what it's called in the rule book - a zero point penalty.

In theory it will prevent another tournament (e.g.: a 250) from counting towards your points. In practice, if you don't play enough tournaments, it's not going to make a difference
 
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octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
perhaps.
then the rule probably says if you don't play a 500 level after USO, then u get zero points for the 4th slot.
so the only way to break this rule is by ATP to count something they shouldn't count, which isn't a player breaking the rule
The ATP rule says that if a player doesn't play four 500 level events during the season, he receives 0-pointer for each event less than four played. A player also receives a 0-pointer for not playing at least one event after the US Open.
For example, Djoko received 0-pointers for two tournaments at the end of the 2019 season. Both tournaments with a 0-pointer will count towards his ranking until the penalties expire (in August and October 2020, respectively):
 
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