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If the Bull lost the picks, tugs and tucks he’d be higher up the ATG list, Slams or not.
If the Bull lost the picks, tugs and tucks he’d be higher up the ATG list, Slams or not.
In this case "all" isn't nearly enough.Max consecutive weeks at No. 1
Federer: 237
Nadal: 56
That would be all.
Judging by various commentators and current players remarks many already consider Nadal as GOAT as i have read many times that Nadal has been the dominant player the past decade or so in terms of Majors won when the Big 3 have been peak at the same time.Max consecutive weeks at No. 1
Federer: 237
Nadal: 56
That would be all.
WTF is not an important event. Masters 1000 are considered bigger. As is the Olympics.Would help to win a single WTF also.
Hardly anyone in the world knows those stats, even tennis commentators don't know those stats.Max consecutive weeks at No. 1
Federer: 237
Nadal: 56
That would be all.
His using "less" instead of "fewer" is a dead giveaway.Off topic question, but English isn't your first language, is it? Correct me if I am wrong here.
Revival on grass? I have not seen any revival on grass, he looks good but nowhere near Wimbledon Champion standard now.Hardly anyone in the world knows those stats, even tennis commentators don't know those stats.
Plus I think Rafa will win at least 23 slams anyway, and maybe a lot more, as he gets better and better at the US Open and maintains his Roland Garros domination in addition to a revival on grass![]()
WTF is not an important event. Masters 1000 are considered bigger. As is the Olympics.
This is far from true, but even if it were, you are openly admitting to depending on the ignorance of folks to push your agendaHardly anyone in the world knows those stats, even tennis commentators don't know those stats.
Plus I think Rafa will win at least 23 slams anyway, and maybe a lot more, as he gets better and better at the US Open and maintains his Roland Garros domination in addition to a revival on grass
Also, Rafa and Federer are tied at FIVE year-end-#1s, and I think we can safely say Federer will never make it to SIX, whereas Rafa has a very good chance at doing it SIX or even SEVEN times!
His using "less" instead of "fewer" is a dead giveaway.
How can nadal be GOAT with only 2 tennis world championships? Djokovic has 5 so he has a better claim
It isn’t? He didn’t respond.Off topic question, but English isn't your first language, is it? Correct me if I am wrong here.
He’s a troll and a poor one, not using humor or nuance. He went on ignore after reading 2 posts.Lol....epic.
WTF is worth 1500 points, moron.
Of course it will. 21 > 20.
He’s a troll and a poor one, not using humor or nuance. He went on ignore after reading 2 posts.
Of course. And Djokovic can never be the GOAT either because he lacks crowd support. So, Federer is the obvious GOAT for eternity.
... they’re literally playing the exact same game. All three have already blown the doors off the accomplishments of any prior generation. Fed getting a head start on the big 3 era means nothing. Your argument might make sense if Fed played in the 80s/early 90s and the game had radically changed.You should remember Fed is setting a bar and Nadal is just trying his best all his career to reach it.
Fed has spent almost 10 years to set his own milestone / summit.
Wonder if Nadal or Djokovic can set a new trend and not play to just do a +1/2
Fed getting a head start on the big 3 era means nothing.
GOAT with only 2 Wimbledon titles?Of course it will. 21 > 20.
Lol, fck WWE!Who ever thought Nadal and Goldberg would still be slaying in 2020?#DaddysBack
Meh, lots of people make that mistake. Even those who speak English as a first language.His using "less" instead of "fewer" is a dead giveaway.
GOAT with only 2 Wimbledon titles?
Lol, fck WWE!
Who in the hell wants to see Roman Reigns mainevent Wrestlemania for the 5th time and against Goldberg? ****ty booking by the WWE.
I agree with you but there is already rumors on Goldberg/Roman being the mainevent. I am seriously sick of WWE's booking. Look at how many mainevents Roman Reigns get. The guy has mainevented wrestlemania more times than Undertaker, Brock Lesnar and Stone Cold. Just think about it. Vince Mcmahon seriously needs to GTFO.I certainly don't want Goldberg/Roman, and im tired of Roman main eventing (I HIGHLY doubt they will go on last anyway) but im always here for Bill![]()
I agree with you but there is already rumors on Goldberg/Roman being the mainevent. I am seriously sick of WWE's booking. Look at how many mainevents Roman Reigns get. The guy has mainevented wrestlemania more times than Undertaker, Brock Lesnar and Stone Cold. Just think about it. Vince Mcmahon seriously needs to GTFO.
Federer achieved those consecutive weeks in 2003-2007, in the pre-Djokovic era and when Nadal was an immature teenager in Grand Slams on hard, when it was objectively easier. With same-age Djokovic and Nadal, Federer could only dream of achieving 237 consecutive weeks as #1, about 80% of Federer's weeks as #1 were pre-2008, and about 90% of his weeks as #1 were pre-2011.
In addition, Federer's advantage in weeks as #1 and ATP finals is compensated by Nadal's advantage in H2H, Olympics, Masters 1000, higher winning percentage in Slam finals, higher winning percentage in career and 5 Davis Cup (including a 96% winning percentage in Davis cup matches in singles).
Crucially, he number of Grand Slams is the most relevant all-time great criterion. Other criteria are just tie-breakers in case two players are tied in Slams. If Federer isn't talented enough to win as many Slams as Nadal, he ain't no GOAT. They are playing in the same era, claiming that Federer with less Slams is better than Nadal would be completely unobjective. Especially when the Big 3 have been playing for the Grand Slam record as the main goal, in an era where the Grand Slam record was percieved by the press, fans and players as the Holy Grail of tennis. Of course some unobjective Fed fans can still claim Federer as the GOAT but that would be the equivalent of some delusional Sampras fans still claiming Sampras to be greater than Federer.
Max consecutive weeks at No. 1
Federer: 237
Nadal: 56
That would be all.
That's an irrelevant stat in the debateMax consecutive weeks at No. 1
Federer: 237
Nadal: 56
That would be all.
GOAT with only 2 Wimbledon titles?
I only remember what players have said. All say m1000 are next biggest after Majors. I do tend to agree as well.Lol....epic.
WTF is worth 1500 points, moron.
The first argument is completely illogical. Sure, Fed won 15 slams by 2009. Djoker and Rafa wok 15 slams in similar times. Fed pushes the record further into 2017 and Rafa and Djoker will have their years to answer him. Surely you aren’t suggesting Rafa and Djoker should have won 21 slams in the time Fed won 15...? Makes no sense.Even if Roger got a "head start on the big 3 era" as you claim, it's been eleven years since Roger earned the slam record in 2009. That's more than enough time for Nadal and Djokovic to have caught-up, and more so considering NO player born in the 90's won a slam during those 11 years.
And what exactly is the "big 3 era"? Since Nole reached his peak in 2011, Federer has won nearly the same number of slams as Murray and Wawrinka. The only time that can truly be called the 'Big-3 era' is 2017 - current, because the Big-3 have won all the slams.
The first argument is completely illogical. Sure, Fed won 15 slams by 2009. Djoker and Rafa wok 15 slams in similar times. Fed pushes the record further into 2017 and Rafa and Djoker will have their years to answer him. Surely you aren’t suggesting Rafa and Djoker should have won 21 slams in the time Fed won 15...? Makes no sense.
Rafa was a complete nonfactor in his early years outside RG. Denied Fed basically nothing.Well, Nadal had 9 slams and the calendar grand slam all before Djokovic's era, so you saying Federer had this huge head start over him is plain wrong. One may argue that Roger (and Rafa) had a huge head start over Djokovic, but that's Nole's fault for taking a 3-year absence after winning his first slam in 2008. In case you've forgotten, after losing to Nole at the AO and then losing RG, Wimbledon, and the #1 ranking to Nadal in 2008, many were predicting that Federer wouldn't break Pete's slam record.
Regardless, though Federer was +7 over Rafa and +15 over Nole in the slam count heading into 2011, with no strong young guns in their path to stop them from winning slams (something all previous ATGs faced), definitely Nadal and Djokovic have had more than enough time to make up for any 'head start' that Federer supposedly had.
Rafa was a complete nonfactor in his early years outside RG. Denied Fed basically nothing.
and you want both Rafa and Djoker to win MORE slams in the time Fed won 15 while alsofighting each other AND Fed?
I’m sorry, your argument is absurd
Rafa was a complete nonfactor in his early years outside RG. Denied Fed basically nothing.
Well what slams did Rafa deny Fed from 03-07?Okay.
Most GSs is the great record, as are the most weeks at No. 1, total and consecutive, but The True GOAT will be the one who ends up on top here, of course: https://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/goatList![]()
Not directly, but Big Win points reflect opponent strength (i.e. difficulty) throughout the whole career as well as Weeks At Elo Top 5Do you have GOAT points adjusted for difficulty?
Not directly, but Big Win points reflect opponent strength (i.e. difficulty) throughout the whole career as well as Weeks At Elo Top 5
Peak Elo Rating GOAT Points reflect difficulty, but during peaks.
Most Big Win GOAT Points: https://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/record?recordId=BigWinsGOATPoints
Most Weeks At Elo Top 5 GOAT Points: https://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/record?recordId=WeeksAtEloTopNGOATPoints
Most Peak Elo Rating GOAT Points: https://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/record?recordId=BestEloRatingGOATPoints
Even in these statistics, Federer is constantly ahead of Nadal and never 3rd like some fanboys claim.Not directly, but Big Win points reflect opponent strength (i.e. difficulty) throughout the whole career as well as Weeks At Elo Top 5
Peak Elo Rating GOAT Points reflect difficulty, but during peaks.
Most Big Win GOAT Points: https://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/record?recordId=BigWinsGOATPoints
Most Weeks At Elo Top 5 GOAT Points: https://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/record?recordId=WeeksAtEloTopNGOATPoints
Most Peak Elo Rating GOAT Points: https://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/record?recordId=BestEloRatingGOATPoints
Honestly, at this rate, Fed needs like a significant injury to Djokovic to avoid being relegated to the third best player of all time.Of course. And Djokovic can never be the GOAT either because he lacks crowd support. So, Federer is the obvious GOAT for eternity.
Honestly, at this rate, Fed needs like a significant injury to Djokovic to avoid being relegated to the third best player of all time.
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