why so few mexican players?

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
I'm just going to take a guess here, based on travel/working experinece in southern Mexico. I think it has to do with ecomonics and availability of courts. Probably nothing more than that. Baseball is probably a bigger sport in Mexico than Tennis, and of course Football (Soccer) is the biggest.

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edited to add:

Given opportunities, we get to marvel at the artistry of people like Richardo (Pancho) Gonzalez.

True, futbol is biggest, but it's biggest in a large number of countries, including countries that produce top tennis players. In fact, tennis is rarely No. 1 in any country, including the United States. If it's not soccer, it's something else.
 

amx13

Semi-Pro
Basketball isn't big here, dude. Sure the NBA is on ESPN Deportes once and a while and I saw UNAM play Indios in a Basketball game but not only were about 90% of the players foreigners, but Mexicans, traditionally, aren't very big. I'm the second tallest person in my dorm building a the UDLA Puebla and I'm 5'10. Generally, most basketball players are fairly tall.

American football is growing here, but that isn't because people actually like the sport, it's because of the infeority complex with the United States, and everyone wants to look cool in the eyes of a "gringo" which isn't exactly going so well. Even the players here don't understand the game, I watched the Superbowl with a few guys on the team here that live with me. They went nuts at an incomplete pass, jumping up and down screaming "fumble fumble fumble" as loud as they could, and looked confused when I told them the rules of the game. It's more of a way to look cool and blend in, if anything.


And I disagree with you on the fact that you think the economic situation isn't part of the reason the game is popular. Get your ass out of Chapultapec, Polanco or Reforma and see things from the street level. The people here are poor. Very poor. With the exception of a few people, this country is very much third-world. Out of the 105 million people here, I'd venture as far as saying that 80 million of those people are living in poverty. When you've got as many pobres in the streets as Mexico does, you would think it's a bit hard for a youngster to buy a few racquets and get started on tennis. Tennis is a middle-to-upper class sport, and the fact that a middle class is non-existant here just adds to that. The rich kids that study where I do just don't care about the sport, and the ones that do either suck and just worry about looking good on the court, or are too old to accomplish anything (the #1 and #2 players at my university have a combined age of 59). The game isn't seen in the same light as soccer down here, which is strange because Mexico isn't that good at soccer either.


The players are there. Mexico had a kid reach #6 in the ITF Junior YE rankings last year, and there was a kid in the mid 30s or 40s as well. Not too bad.


Tennis will come good here, as soon as the corrupt are removed from office, middle and lower-class families realize that having 5-7 kids isn't economically sane (overpopulation leads to less money being circulated and with more money lying around then you've got a higher chance of a kid playing a costlier sport), and the drug cartels stop hogging all the money.


If anyone else wants to hear more I'd be glad to elaborate.


Another Mexican here, and I do agree with most of your post. Even though NBA and NFL are growing sports in Mexico, theres no way any sport will ever compete with soccer, theres just way to damn much soccer all the time on TV for the networks to show anything else. You get our own soccer league, then the spanish, italian, england, libertadores, champions, sudamericana...you name it. Then you get at least 5 shows per day that talk about what happened on all of those matches!, the best goals, referee analysis, debate on who should coach what team...its sickening. Even if you have cable TV, the only tennis you get to see, is a couple of masters series tournaments and the grand slams.

Besides the economic problems we have, I think the main problem is the lack of a good managment at the tennis federations, at every level, local, state and national. Just like any other sports federation we have here in Mexico, none of them work at all... you only have people looking out for their own interest. Im sure there´s talent here and there, just like Lorena Ochoa on golf there might be a good tennis player that will became a good pro one day, but it wont be a product of a good system (like in Argentina), it would be a one of a kind boy/girl that stands up with their own merits and with no help whatsoever.
 

Nellie

Hall of Fame
There are millions of affluent Mexican. The only thing lacking is a success/leader to inspire other players. In Argentina, it was Guillermo Vilas that made the sport popular enough to create a national interest to encourage players/tournements. You also cannot develop players without coaches, so you need to have people, like Vilas's doubles partner, José Luis Clerc, to coach juniors. I often wonder where all of the coaches in the former Yugoslavia came from, but I guess that most of their players left to train abroad.
 

NickC

Professional
^^ I honestly think that it is a cultural thing. I do not think that if the economical situation gets better the tennis scene will grow. Granted things will get better but also in other sports that are much more popular than tennis. Which could mean that maybe just a small part of the money will go to tennis. But yes, there is a a mexican Junior (Sanchez I think) that is really good, he made a good run on last wimbledon.

His name is Cesar Ramirez (saw him play the local challenger, IIRC, he's sick), and he did damn well at the junior Wimby. But I think if the economic situation gets better the tennis scene can't help but improve. If there is more money floating around, then the tennis has got to improve, as we will see a boom of the middle class and a rapid expansion of said middle class. If there is more money, more kids will opt to try the tennis instead of only seeing soccer as their only option. Even if a small percentage goes to tennis, that's still a significant amount of money, I think.

ALso Nick, Mexico is really good on futbol, they are having some problems ( from some years now) but they used to be the team to beat in the Concacaf. On another note, you may see that the futbol professional level is not very good but I heard that Mexico is the country of LatAm where the professional futbol players are better paid.

Mexio's national team as of late is a complete joke. Granted, you see them in the world cup every 4 years and they used to be the big dogs of CONCACAF, but with the USA getting better by the day and Honduras's sudden explosion of talent under the captancy of Davide Suazo, Mexico has fallen off the radar in a big way. The level of play in the national league is decent but the corruptness of the FMF and the league handlers makes it impossible for anyone besides America, Chivas, Pachuca or Monterry, Tigres or Pumas to win anything. The other side of that corruption is the fact that all the team owners are super-wealthy and they pay some of the highest wages in the world.
 

GeoffB

Rookie
Mexio's national team as of late is a complete joke. Granted, you see them in the world cup every 4 years and they used to be the big dogs of CONCACAF, but with the USA getting better by the day and Honduras's sudden explosion of talent under the captancy of Davide Suazo, Mexico has fallen off the radar in a big way. The level of play in the national league is decent but the corruptness of the FMF and the league handlers makes it impossible for anyone besides America, Chivas, Pachuca or Monterry, Tigres or Pumas to win anything. The other side of that corruption is the fact that all the team owners are super-wealthy and they pay some of the highest wages in the world.

This is a little off topic, but I definitely think that CONCACAF is a big problem for both the US and Mexico. There's been a lot of grousing from Europe and South America about allocation for the world cup - in that the system comes close to granting a free pass to Mexico and the US to the finals, while shutting out European and SA teams that are pretty good. So in this sense, it would seem like a good deal for the US and Mexico. The problem is that these two countries don't get tested enough in real matches when there's actually something on the line. The US can get friendlies against Brazil, but they send their third string squad. Maybe we win, maybe we don't, but the problem is that we don't get tested. The US's best competition is Mexico, and vice-versa. So we think we think we've been through a good match, but then we run into Germany or Italy in the first round and we just haven't seen anything like this, and there's no time to adjust as a team.

Merging CONCACAF with South America would result in fewer trips to the finals for the US and Mexico, but I suspect it would build stronger programs for these two countries in the long term - because we'd have to play Brazil, Argentina, Columbia, and so forth when those teams are in a must win situation. Then the level of competition in the finals wouldn't be such a shock to the system.
 

pepe01

Rookie
Basketball isn't big here, dude. Sure the NBA is on ESPN Deportes once and a while and I saw UNAM play Indios in a Basketball game but not only were about 90% of the players foreigners, but Mexicans, traditionally, aren't very big. I'm the second tallest person in my dorm building a the UDLA Puebla and I'm 5'10. Generally, most basketball players are fairly tall.

American football is growing here, but that isn't because people actually like the sport, it's because of the infeority complex with the United States, and everyone wants to look cool in the eyes of a "gringo" which isn't exactly going so well. Even the players here don't understand the game, I watched the Superbowl with a few guys on the team here that live with me. They went nuts at an incomplete pass, jumping up and down screaming "fumble fumble fumble" as loud as they could, and looked confused when I told them the rules of the game. It's more of a way to look cool and blend in, if anything.


And I disagree with you on the fact that you think the economic situation isn't part of the reason the game is popular. Get your ass out of Chapultapec, Polanco or Reforma and see things from the street level. The people here are poor. Very poor. With the exception of a few people, this country is very much third-world. Out of the 105 million people here, I'd venture as far as saying that 80 million of those people are living in poverty. When you've got as many pobres in the streets as Mexico does, you would think it's a bit hard for a youngster to buy a few racquets and get started on tennis. Tennis is a middle-to-upper class sport, and the fact that a middle class is non-existant here just adds to that. The rich kids that study where I do just don't care about the sport, and the ones that do either suck and just worry about looking good on the court, or are too old to accomplish anything (the #1 and #2 players at my university have a combined age of 59). The game isn't seen in the same light as soccer down here, which is strange because Mexico isn't that good at soccer either.


The players are there. Mexico had a kid reach #6 in the ITF Junior YE rankings last year, and there was a kid in the mid 30s or 40s as well. Not too bad.


Tennis will come good here, as soon as the corrupt are removed from office, middle and lower-class families realize that having 5-7 kids isn't economically sane (overpopulation leads to less money being circulated and with more money lying around then you've got a higher chance of a kid playing a costlier sport), and the drug cartels stop hogging all the money.


If anyone else wants to hear more I'd be glad to elaborate.


Totaly desagree with you, main problem with your post is you are talking as you have been living at Mexico for many years and know this culture and let me tell you Nopp, you dont know.

Main bad comment is about infeority complex, nobody that i know and i have been know in Mexico, wish is more than you for sure have infeority complex, i lived two years at Canton Michigan and 3 years at Pheonix, i have American friends and nobody thinks like you Thanks God.

Every collage at mexico has hits American fut ball team as sport not to look like any ''gringo'' as you stated.

We have three baskey ball leagues at Mexico.

1.- Collage league wish is by areas on the country.

2.- Proffessional league at pacific area, covers 5 states of the country and another at North.

About economical situation yeap, is not the best but will be better, also corruption is high, yes but nothing to do with tennis situation.

Any way, my last comment about ''Get your ass out of Chapultapec, Polanco or Reforma and see things from the street '' well i dont live at DF, i live at north ( sonora state) check the map, but i can do that if you get your ass out from this country.

Regards
 
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