Why so much Murray hate?

#1
Sure he isn't the most exciting guy to watch, and the come on's he does can be grinding at times. But it seems some go overboard in the way they describe him and constantly call him a talentless pusher who'll never win a slam. These people also seem to bring his looks into every conversation dealing w/ Murray, as if he's 'too ugly'. Sure he's no Brad Pitt, but he's not Sloth from the Goonies or anything.

Is it just some people really are that angry about him...or is it overzealous Fed fans who didn't like it when he beat Federer....is it the hype placed on him, b/c it's not like he hasn't lived to the hype somewhat w/ a slam final and MS titles. I just don't get why so many people seem to hate Murray with a burning passion. Was it something he said? :confused:
 
#3
^ Anybody who plays tennis knows the remark about Murray being a talentless pusher doesn't hold ground. The brand of tennis Murray play is very thoughtful and hard to execute on a consistent basis esp among these pros.
 
#7
I don't hate him. I do think he is over rated. I don't think he will ever win a slam. I do think he is one fugly Brit! I could get over the ugly factor if he had a decent personality.
 
#8
Sure he isn't the most exciting guy to watch, and the come on's he does can be grinding at times. But it seems some go overboard in the way they describe him and constantly call him a talentless pusher who'll never win a slam. These people also seem to bring his looks into every conversation dealing w/ Murray, as if he's 'too ugly'. Sure he's no Brad Pitt, but he's not Sloth from the Goonies or anything.

Is it just some people really are that angry about him...or is it overzealous Fed fans who didn't like it when he beat Federer....is it the hype placed on him, b/c it's not like he hasn't lived to the hype somewhat w/ a slam final and MS titles. I just don't get why so many people seem to hate Murray with a burning passion. Was it something he said? :confused:
Don't you know that any player who can beat Federer consistently is hated on TW.?
 

Bertie B

Professional
#9
^ Anybody who plays tennis knows the remark about Murray being a talentless pusher doesn't hold ground. The brand of tennis Murray play is very thoughtful and hard to execute on a consistent basis esp among these pros.
Henin and Federer play thoughtful tennis, probing their opponents for weakness, creating an opening, and hitting their winners. Hingis played like this too in the beginning/her prime...Murray pushes.
 
#10
He's a crybaby, and acts like a spoiled brat, and thinks he is the world's best... it's not right to think you're the world's best if you can't win a slam. Let's see him win a few slams and then he can talk the trash.

And he IS a pusher. And it DOES hold ground. Finally some lesser players are discovering it. Murray plays too safe, and it is his undoing... yet when he plays aggressive, he can't hang either, b/c he makes too many UE's. He'd be best playing JV players in high school. Or maybe as a hitting partner for retired players.
 
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Defcon

Hall of Fame
#12
Talented pusher, but pusher nonetheless. Sick and tired of hearing all these people who claim Murray can play any kind of tennis he wants to. He's a defensive player with good hands and an unorthodox game - Santoro on steroids.
 
#13
he is an arrogant little rat. who thought he was good enough to win a slam before the age Fed did, win this US open and be no.1 for the year. I feel like he wont be in the top 3 for very long.
 
#15
People don't like Murray because he is an arrogant, annoying pusher!

It should be no surprise that the only people who can stand Murray seem to be British people.

Murray is a pusher.

:)
 

DarthFed

Hall of Fame
#26
I don't really hate him and some of the hate is unjustified but like everything else it life it's a reaction..if he wasn't getting hyped before "doing" anything then he's going to get hated on.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
#29
All top pros are hated quite a bit here,that's just the way it is.Murray probably gets hated even more because he plays a defensive counterpunching game(which many people here don't get),because of his Hewitt like oncourt personality and because he's hyped by media,experts etc. it's hardly a suprise that a lot of people don't like him here.
 
#31
Murray is the most hated Top 4 player on these boards by a big margin.

A lot of it is respect for achievements.

Any reasonable fan of Nadal, Djokovic, and Federer will respect the other 2 players because they know how difficult it is to win a slam and how elite of a level of tennis a player has to play to achieve that.

Murray, however, is a pretender and his fans do no subscribe to the philosophy that respect is not given, but must be earned.
 
#33
Let us know when Murray beats Fed in a tournament that matters. And please, kills?? You're getting desperate.
The YEC isn't important anymore? And MS events arent either?

I guess I'll file you under the overzealous Fed fan category...man, I still havent seen a good reason yet other than so called tennis 'experts' who think he's a pusher, when he's not...
 

drwood

Hall of Fame
#35
The YEC isn't important anymore? And MS events arent either?

I guess I'll file you under the overzealous Fed fan category...man, I still havent seen a good reason yet other than so called tennis 'experts' who think he's a pusher, when he's not...
Murray can play any style...he's that talented, but he chooses to be a pusher. I don't necessarily view a pusher as being negative, but ever since power emerged in the game in the early 90s, its hard to win slams being purely a pusher/retriever.

The YEC is very important, but obviously not as important as winning a slam. And Murray should have won the YEC last year, but lost to Davydenko of all people in the SF.

I'm neither a ******* nor a Murray hater. Part of me was actually hoping he'd win a slam playing the way he does, but it reinforces a lot of the things I learned while watching Chang in the 90s...being strictly a retriever requires all of your opponents with equal or more talent than you to have an off day over the course of a five-set match...otherwise, you won't win (hence why Chang only made it out of RR once out of 7 YECs and never won the YEC, and why he couldn't win a slam in the 90s despite beating some great players in slams).

Murray is going to have to get more aggressive soon. He has a TON of points to defend, and could conceivably finish the year behind Nadal, Delpo, Djoker and possibly even Roddick if he doesn't play well from now until the Australian.
 
#36
Murray can play any style...he's that talented, but he chooses to be a pusher. I don't necessarily view a pusher as being negative, but ever since power emerged in the game in the early 90s, its hard to win slams being purely a pusher/retriever.

The YEC is very important, but obviously not as important as winning a slam. And Murray should have won the YEC last year, but lost to Davydenko of all people in the SF.

I'm neither a ******* nor a Murray hater. Part of me was actually hoping he'd win a slam playing the way he does, but it reinforces a lot of the things I learned while watching Chang in the 90s...being strictly a retriever requires all of your opponents with equal or more talent than you to have an off day over the course of a five-set match...otherwise, you won't win (hence why Chang only made it out of RR once out of 7 YECs and never won the YEC, and why he couldn't win a slam in the 90s despite beating some great players in slams).

Murray is going to have to get more aggressive soon. He has a TON of points to defend, and could conceivably finish the year behind Nadal, Delpo, Djoker and possibly even Roddick if he doesn't play well from now until the Australian.
I wouldn't be too worried about Roddick if I was Murray, but Nadal and Djokovic for sure.
 

Dgpsx7

Professional
#37
Murray is actually my 2nd favorite player behind Fed(He is really my third but Santoro is retiring at the end of the year). I really like Murray although I like Fed more, I really can't believe he lost like that today.
 

Defcon

Hall of Fame
#38
The YEC isn't important anymore? And MS events arent either?

I guess I'll file you under the overzealous Fed fan category...man, I still havent seen a good reason yet other than so called tennis 'experts' who think he's a pusher, when he's not...
You know perfectly well what I mean. Obviously all tour matches count towards points, so they matter. Its just that slams matter much more, and its the only thing a player is remembered for, more than Masters and more than #1 (well not according to Safina :)).
 

kishnabe

Talk Tennis Guru
#39
I just don't like how he plays and plus every other guy is more enjoyable to watch (I.E Federer, Nadal, Djokovich, Tsonga, Gonzalez, Verdasco, Roddick, Safin, Santoro) except Berdrch.
 
#40
^ Anybody who plays tennis knows the remark about Murray being a talentless pusher doesn't hold ground. The brand of tennis Murray play is very thoughtful and hard to execute on a consistent basis esp among these pros.
Who said he is a talentless pusher, he is actually a talented pusher, but still a pusher. How do you expect to win with only 13 winners in 3 sets? That's a winner in more than every two games (28 games total)
 
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#42
Who said he is a talentless pusher, he is actually a talented pusher, but still a pusher. How do you expect to win with only 13 winners in 3 sets? That's a winner in more than every two games (28 games total)
"Talentless pusher" phrase was taken from the OP's first post.
 
#45
Good thread. I dislike his style of play, the guy isn't very exciting, but he's a nice guy and doesn't do anything wrong. It's ridiculous to just hate him for that. He probably didn't ask for all the hype surrounding him either.
 
#46
out of like 10 posts on this forum, 8 are just hating or extreme bandwagoning.

anyways,

I think murray is still evolving his game ever since his wrist injury and hes still gaining some weight.

he's got tons of time as he's still only 22 years old. I wouldn't call him a washout until he's at least 28 years old.

I would imagine he will keep developing further an all court game to finish points faster when he has to.
 
#47
out of like 10 posts on this forum, 8 are just hating or extreme bandwagoning.

anyways,

I think murray is still evolving his game ever since his wrist injury and hes still gaining some weight.

he's got tons of time as he's still only 22 years old. I wouldn't call him a washout until he's at least 28 years old.

I would imagine he will keep developing further an all court game to finish points faster when he has to.
His forehand needs to improve big time as well as his mental attitude, his way of seeing the game. Especially the latter is really tough to change. Even Rafa is still standing a lot far behind the baseline, but is the only one who seems to have made at least SOME transition. But it's hard to compare Rafa to Murray because Rafa is a sick puppy who's one of the most disciplined athletes I know and is extremely talented and can learn new things very quickly.
 
#49
I don't really get it either. I'm not a fan, but by no means do I hate him. And honestly, he is not unattractive these days after that proper haircut. Not that it would matter if he was unattractive.
 
#50
^^^ well to each his own I guess. My g/f thinks he is ugly and so do I. There is something off about his face that I can't put my finger on. It actually serves to make him awful looking because its so sneaky like. i suspect its just not symmetrical or something. Its not like you can point to a huge nose or sunken eyes or anything like that..

But Murray's game frankly is what is so overrated. If you see him play in person - well at the pro level he really is a pusher. Most of his 'winners' come off or gimmick shots like the beautiful angle slice shot or a great drop shot. But unlike Federer or 99% of the other tour players he doesn't hit the big powerful forehand winners.

The other day he hit 4 winners in the first set - and THREE of them were on aces. So one groundstroke winner for whole set - against a guy who doesn't move well!

Other tour "pushers" like Hewitt or Nadal will hit far more winners then that. I'd say Murray is like Hewitt without the mental toughness..or the cool personality. Hewitt is a guy you would LIKE to hang out with. Murray - not so much..

Pete
 
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