Why So Much Nadal Hate Here?

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It seems to be either jealousy or insecurity. Also the age difference makes it hard to definitively compare them. Federer was utterly dominant until Nadal got out of his teens then Nadal dominated along with Djokovic. When a player is knocked off his or her pedestal it is always tough for the fan base to take.

I do feel Nadal ending 2017 no.1 has really increased the hostility though. Like you I just think both should be treasured as we won’t see anything remotely like either ever again.

I agree that we will never see a cheater of Nadal's caliber ever again (is it possible that such a thing theoretically exists?), but why should we "treasure" his cheating?

Also, the bolded: of all the reasons, why we marvel at the sight of little nephew, you chose the least relevant (as at least it was not his fault that Federer is old and cannot play a full schedule any more).

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Fedforever

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Like you I just think both should be treasured as we won’t see anything remotely like either ever again.

Totally agree. I can't see how the same combination of personalities and circumstances can happen again. We'll see other great rivalries (I hope!!) but they'll be different.
 

Fedforever

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Could it be his looks? Men posters in here are jealous?
Could it be the H2H thing?
Those two issues is what I tend to think why specially male Fed fans in here hate Nadal.

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Come on, how could any of us resist this?

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stringertom

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Could it be his looks? Men posters in here are jealous?
Could it be the H2H thing?
Those two issues is what I tend to think why specially male Fed fans in here hate Nadal.

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Just speaking for myself, this guy is not the least bit jealous of Nadal's looks. Now, if it were another lefty Spaniard, I wholeheartedly endorse Judmoo's cougar ways of longing for her chosen prey.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

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Just speaking for myself, this guy is not the least bit jealous of Nadal's looks. Now, if it were another lefty Spaniard, I wholeheartedly endorse Judmoo's cougar ways of longing for her chosen prey.
I was told by my dad to not fall for southern Europeans, and I never did :D
But Im not blind, Rafas body is quite some sight. For us that prefer not so slim men ;)
 

OddJack

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Becuase he whines about everything to the media in an attempt to get things changed to suit him.
Because he gets umpires banned from his matches.
Because he constantly breaks the time rule between serves.
Because he often uses gamesmanship to get an advantage during a match.
Because he has often been coached during matches even tho it is against the rules.
Because his reputation as being "humble" is a joke.
Because he is not Federer.

That about covers it, i think?

You were really kind not to mention his disgusting habits.
 

stringertom

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I thought you were a Sultan of Swing?

Feli is a beautiful man. Not in the sewretchian way, but still.
I am a NY Yankee fan but not old enough to have been around for the original Sultan of Swat, who was quite Sewretchian in girth from the old newsreel footage of Ruth circling the bases in a SexiSuri trot.
 

Jmauer

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Legend ? Arguably.
If only from the angle of achievemens,maybe YES.
If taking something else besides achievements, such as sportsmanship into consideration,ABSOLUTE NO!
A real LEGNED would never do something so bad that nadal ever did on court.
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I started to respond but then I said “nah, if this person can’t understand that Nadal is an absolute legend of the game of Tennis, there’s no use writing a response.”
 

Slightly D1

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People just don't like Nadal. He has a repugnant game, especially with his unrelenting harassment of his opponents' backhands, is self-serving (rule changes, wants WTF on clay, etc.), and used too much gamesmanship over the years. And it doesn't help that he's socially awkward/an OCD case. And the grunting.

It would be one thing if he was only around for a few years, but he has overstayed his welcome with most tennis fans by at least a decade.
I'll reword that for you "He is the only player to have ever consistently beaten and at some points owned the most popular tennis player to play the game (Federer) and so therefore a lot people dislike him because of that"
 

Mustard

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This poster is actually more annoying than the trolls - the pretence at objectivity when all the "facts" he presents just happen to "prove" that his guy is the best is ridiculous.

My opinions are my opinions. I have never claimed neutrality or anything of the sort. If you don't like my posts, then don't read them.

Completely agree. Drop the pretence. Drop the act. Atleast own up to the fact that you're biased.

I'm biased. As is EVERYBODY. The fact that I'm being accused of bias for stating my opinions just proves that I'm doing a good job in stating my case :)
 

Mustard

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You are/were hedging your bets/disappointments.

No, I wasn't. You are like a childish schoolkid bully, as usual.

That is why you were constantly in a knee-jerk mode, when Nadal was going through a completely normal for a player with so much mileage phase of a slump before rebounding to win more Majors.

I don't think anything about this era of tennis is "normal" compared to past eras, so what you consider "normal" scarcely bares thinking about.

That is how I know that you are a complete fake, when you throw all those stats/"memories" around with the hope that you "get it".

When somebody resorts to personal attacks and has nothing else to offer, they have already lost the argument. You embody this more than anyone on this forum as far as I can see.

If you were indeed a good student/researcher of the game, you would have seen those slumps, as they are evidently presented in a different way, throughout the tennis history.

You also haven't watched long enough tennis to know it from your own experience.

The post I am quoting says more about your knowledge of the game than about what the odds of this or that to happen are/were.

You always speak in hindsight and your thoughts are of the blandest and most inaccurate, if there is even a slight chance of a follow up of the logic that you use when you analyse facts that way.

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So you're a fortune teller now? Do please enlighten us with your wisdom about how tennis is going to go between now and 2025. Why don't you boldly state what YOU think is going to happen? You don't do that though. It is you that says very little, who is scared to say any bold prediction in the open, who hedges your bets, and who awaits a chance to launch a personal attack, on me in particular. How very Stalinist of you.

Nailed it. This is the same joke of a poster who kept harping on about how 'lucky' Federer was to win last year's AO final. He's no different than other fanboys in that sense, but his MO is to put on this "objective student of the game/historian" front.

Everyone sees through it and laughs.

Oh look, a very insecure Federer fan who cannot bear that somebody dares to even question the opinion that he is the greatest ever. We've seen this type of Federer fan since 2006 at least. I've not forgotten those days, the hatred and bile dished out to Nadal by the most nasty Federer fans.

And historians are all biased, and use facts to suit their wider agenda. I'm frankly amazed that anyone believes different, and such people are extremely naive at best.

This poster is actually more annoying than the trolls - the pretence at objectivity when all the "facts" he presents just happen to "prove" that his guy is the best is ridiculous.

Is nobody allowed to dispute the notion that Federer is the GOAT? It seems not going by your logic here.
 

Mustard

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I'll reword that for you "He is the only player to have ever consistently beaten and at some points owned the most popular tennis player to play the game (Federer) and so therefore a lot people dislike him because of that"

Indeed. And that dislike is at disturbing levels in some people.
 

tenisdecente

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Whatever helps you sleep at night. You guys are obsessed with records, because you need to use Federer's success to compensate for the lack of your own whereas we just enjoy watching Nadal play.

Oh man, you cannot be serious participating in this thread. You are one of the biggest Federer' haters here

Don't invert the logic here. Many of Nadal's fans here just like the guy's looks. They don't give a damn about his tennis, antics, nothing.

Amen to that. Nadal has a huge fanbase of women because of his looks. And it is fine for me. He is maybe the guy with most casual fans in the tour

I will give the reasons I think Nadal is hated here

1. His non-stop whining about surfaces and any other thing he is not agreeing with the tour (ranking system, shot clock, enforcing of the rules, you name it)
2. His antics. Honestly one of the things I find annoying and cringeworthy are his over the top celebrations, which BTW now are kind of the norm in both tours (men and women). I am not bothered with him wasting time between serves, even if it is against the rules, but the umpires need to get the job done
3. His H2H against Federer, and of course some heartbreaking losses he inflicted to the old man. Now that record is less lopsided, still the hate for that remains - this cannot be denied
 
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In regards to @Mustard - Two things about him.

He has never claimed to be objective. Take a look at his name first of all MusTARD - Nadal is his guy right now, and naturally he puts him in a better light than others might. But, he never claimed otherwise either.

The other thing about him, he doesn't resort to personal attacks that I know of, in all the time I have known him, he is one of the more decent Nadal fans. Yeah, he knows I come after his stats hard at times when I feel he isn't showing the full truth, but he's OK with it. We don't have to agree with everything that everyone puts out there, if it isn't what you feel it should be, point it out and end it there, like I have done with him in the past.
 

Mustard

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In regards to @Mustard - Two things about him.

He has never claimed to be objective. Take a look at his name first of all MusTARD - Nadal is his guy right now, and naturally he puts him in a better light than others might. But, he never claimed otherwise either.

The other thing about him, he doesn't resort to personal attacks that I know of, in all the time I have known him, he is one of the more decent Nadal fans. Yeah, he knows I come after his stats hard at times when I feel he isn't showing the full truth, but he's OK with it. We don't have to agree with everything that everyone puts out there, if it isn't what you feel it should be, point it out and end it there, like I have done with him in the past.

I suppose I should take it as a compliment. I've riled them, so I must be making some success in building up Nadal's case. I expect others to argue back at me with tennis arguments, that's fine. There's plenty of people building up Federer's case. Isn't the whole point to big up your favourite players?
 

zagor

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Pure gold.

Guy wins ten french opens.

NOT a warrior.

He is a warrior (well every ATG is) but winning 10 FOs is hardly the evidence of that given that he played two 5 setters combined in all of his runs to the title there, he's so far ahead of the pack there it's ridiculous.

People don't lose to Nadal on clay because he intimidates them with his indomitable warrior spirit but because they can't deal with his movement and especially his strokes on that surface. The guy's a topspin artist, he won last FO by basically blowing everyone off court. No one can match the heavyness of his shots, the angles, placement and the consistency.

I swear people here really too often mistake Nadal for a Chang like player or something.
 
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I suppose I should take it as a compliment. I've riled them, so I must be making some success in building up Nadal's case. I expect others to argue back at me with tennis arguments, that's fine. There's plenty of people building up Federer's case. Isn't the whole point to big up your favourite players?

Hey, you know I always straight shoot with you.

And I agree with your last bit, we ALL big up our favs. You do what you feel you need to, as you know, there will always be someone who will disagree, even if you said the Earth is not flat, someone somewhere will argue that with you.
 

Jmauer

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He is a warrior (well every ATG is) but winning 10 FOs is hardly the evidence of that given that he played two 5 setters combined in all of his runs to the title there, he's so far ahead of the pack there it's ridiculous.

People don't lose to Nadal on clay because he intimidates them with his indomitable warrior spirit but because they can't deal with his movement and especially his strokes on that surface. The guy's a topspin artist, he won last FO by basically blowing everyone off court. No one can match the heavyness of his shots, the angles, placement and the consistency.

I swear people here really too often mistake Nadal for a Chang like player or something.

How about the 2012 AO with djoker?

Or the AO 09 five hour semi followed by the 24 hour turnaround to go another five?

Or the AO 17 when he did the same again?

It is laughable to not consider the guy an absolute physical beast.

Speaking of Chang, Stefanki said Nadal is often compared to speed demons like Borg, Hewitt, Chang, but what is remarkable about Nadal is hat he plays with crazy foot speed but is not a small frame guy, like the others.
 

zagor

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How about the 2012 AO with djoker?

Or the AO 09 five hour semi followed by the 24 hour turnaround to go another five?

Or the AO 17 when he did the same again?

It is laughable to not consider the guy an absolute physical beast.

Speaking of Chang, Stefanki said Nadal is often compared to speed demons like Borg, Hewitt, Chang, but what is remarkable about Nadal is hat he plays with crazy foot speed but is not a small frame guy, like the others.

Actually, he had almost two days off after the 2009 AO semi but regardless it's besides the point.

I didn't say he wasn't a warrior (quite the opposite, I said he is), I said him dominating the FO doesn't prove he's a warrior because he rarely has to fight there as he's usually toying with the competition.

Another point I made was that Nadal's baseline firepower on clay is underrated, people only talk about his speed and mental toughness.
 
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He is a warrior (well every ATG is) but winning 10 FOs is hardly the evidence of that given that he played two 5 setters combined in all of his runs to the title there, he's so far ahead of the pack there it's ridiculous.

People don't lose to Nadal on clay because he intimidates them with his indomitable warrior spirit but because they can't deal with his movement and especially his strokes on that surface. The guy's a topspin artist, he won last FO by basically blowing everyone off court. No one can match the heavyness of his shots, the angles, placement and the consistency.

I swear people here really too often mistake Nadal for a Chang like player or something.

Let me expand on this a bit. A very big reason why Nadal is so dominant at RG is because of the size of the PC court, the massive amount of space to the back and sides allows two things for Nadal. The first is that he now can chase down more balls because his movement is not hindered by a lack of space in any direction, and the secondly, due to the court dimensions being what they are, he can hit outrageous angles from even more areas of the court. Why is he more vulnerable in Rome, when the courts themselves are very close in character? Because the court dimensions are not optimum for him, a big hitter or an aggressive player can hurt him a lot more, because his movement is restricted. Why doesn't he like playing on SL court, apart from it being slightly faster, are those dimensions.

So, not only his top spin lefty game perfectly designed for clay, but PC court is perfectly design for his playing style.
 

zagor

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Let me expand on this a bit. A very big reason why Nadal is so dominant at RG is because of the size of the PC court, the massive amount of space to the back and sides allows two things for Nadal. The first is that he now can chase down more balls because his movement is not hindered by a lack of space in any direction, and the secondly, due to the court dimensions being what they are, he can hit outrageous angles from even more areas of the court. Why is he more vulnerable in Rome, when the courts themselves are very close in character? Because the court dimensions are not optimum for him, a big hitter or an aggressive player can hurt him a lot more, because his movement is restricted. Why doesn't he like playing on SL court, apart from it being slightly faster, are those dimensions.

So, not only his top spin lefty game perfectly designed for clay, but PC court is perfectly design for his playing style.

That's a good point, I also always felt that taking on Nadal on Chatrier is a much more daunting task than anywhere else because he has more room to maneuver. You just can't get a ball past him there.

However my point still stands that Nadal's groundstrokes on clay are the best I've ever seen, especially that FH which is just monstrous on the surface (of course it's also a weapon everywhere else but not nearly to the same degree). People act like he just wins on movement and mental toughness yet he dominated clay last year with clearly diminished movement from his peak years by just plain bullying people around court.
 

Jmauer

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Actually, he had almost two days off after the 2009 AO semi but regardless it's besides the point.

I didn't say he wasn't a warrior (quite the opposite, I said he is), I said him dominating the FO doesn't prove he's a warrior because he rarely has to fight there as he's usually toying with the competition.

Another point I made was that Nadal's baseline firepower on clay is underrated, people only talk about his speed and mental toughness.

I thought he only had ONE day off between the semi & final at AO!

Thanks for pointing that out. I must have misremembered.

Also, I see you're point that he is toying with opponents on clay. Absolutely see that, as well as the brute firepower.

Does anyone else load like that on clay? To absolutely be able to bludgeon the ball, time after time?

And the speed has certainly declined with age.

I do think he is tough as nails mentally. For me the two times I saw it most clearly were 2008 W final and 2013 USO final.
 
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