Why So Much Nadal Hate Here?

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vive le beau jeu ! said:
but what if...
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@Mustard @Ketchup o_O
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Mustard was meant as a pun when I created the username ;)
 
zagor said:
That's a good point, I also always felt that taking on Nadal on Chatrier is a much more daunting task than anywhere else because he has more room to maneuver. You just can't get a ball past him there.

However my point still stands that Nadal's groundstrokes on clay are the best I've ever seen, especially that FH which is just monstrous on the surface (of course it's also a weapon everywhere else but not nearly to the same degree). People act like he just wins on movement and mental toughness yet he dominated clay last year with clearly diminished movement from his peak years by just plain bullying people around court.
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Absolutely, the spin on his forehand plus the placement /consistency and the fact he is a lefty is a deadly combo in dirt
Anyone who has played (and has a 1HBH) in clay against a lefty with just some top spin knows that the rallies are really a nightmare to deal
 
tenisdecente said:
Absolutely, the spin on his forehand plus the placement /consistency and the fact he is a lefty is a deadly combo in dirt
Anyone who has played (and has a 1HBH) in clay against a lefty with just some top spin knows that the rallies are really a nightmare to deal
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The only player I've ever seen with a 1HBH that I think could have taken it to Nadal at the FO is Guga, everyone else is just facing a very uphill battle, including Stanimal.

TBH at times I was amazed at how much Nadal's CC FH bothered even someone like Novak who has one of the best and most consistent 2HBHs in the history of the game. You could see him visibly struggle to control the ball when he played Nadal on clay at times when it was sunny and bounce was the highest.

Nadal's FH on clay really is a weapon of mass destruction.
 
zagor said:
The only player I've ever seen with a 1HBH that I think could have taken it to Nadal at the FO is Guga, everyone else is just facing a very uphill battle, including Stanimal.

TBH at times I was amazed at how much Nadal's CC FH bothered even someone like Novak who has one of the best and most consistent 2HBHs in the history of the game. You could see him visibly struggle to control the ball when he played Nadal on clay at times when it was sunny and bounce was the highest.

Nadal's FH on clay really is a weapon of mass destruction.
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Of course the high bounce is what hurts you the most, because the ball goes out of your comfort/hitting zone
In my local club there is/was a teacher who was a lefty. Like all the teachers, he had all the crafty stuff, plus he was lefty and played with a hell amount of spin. He did not even put a lot of power in his shots, he just applied spin and placement to take you off the court and then poach with an easy put out to your right, with all the court wide open. Also, his serve was terrible to deal with, not a lot of power but massive spin and placement
 
zagor said:
The only player I've ever seen with a 1HBH that I think could have taken it to Nadal at the FO is Guga, everyone else is just facing a very uphill battle, including Stanimal.

TBH at times I was amazed at how much Nadal's CC FH bothered even someone like Novak who has one of the best and most consistent 2HBHs in the history of the game. You could see him visibly struggle to control the ball when he played Nadal on clay at times when it was sunny and bounce was the highest.

Nadal's FH on clay really is a weapon of mass destruction.
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Yes it is, but keep one thing in mind. Nadal's FH, just like every other big shot in the game is a product of today's technology and other factors. Some of those shots would have been impossible do 30 years ago, even if Nadal was in his peak back then.
 
Hitman said:
Yes it is, but keep one thing in mind. Nadal's FH, just like every other big shot in the game is a product of today's technology and other factors. Some of those shots would have been impossible do 30 years ago, even if Nadal was in his peak back then.
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Would love to see Rafa hitting with say... a POG with nat! That would be a sight to see! I'm sure the guy could do some massive damage with that frame, though of course the ball would behave very differently.

One of those cool "what if" scenarios.
 
helterskelter said:
I'm not sure I follow the question. Perhaps someone can help me out here. What does acknowledging someone's moral greatness and humility have to do with hating them? Certainly, I envy Nadal for extending his career-long unbeaten run at the Australian Open, but that's not what this thread seems to be about. Thoughts? @FedFosterWallace @vive le beau jeu ! @VolleyHelena
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With you; not sure where any of that's coming from.

If anything, he's now ascended to a plane so exalted as to leave the pantheon of gods grumbling bitterly and bemoaning their wretched lots. "To the moral winners go the spoils," as no one says.
 
fedtennisphan said:
Nadal has stayed close for now but the pressure is on him to win the FO because if he doesn’t Federer is a threat to add at WB and Nadal has not performed well at WB lately so the pressure will be there too. Djokovic is having physical problems or whatever. The last thing he needs to worry about is trying to win a GS.
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Yes true, Fed has been laying down the challenge (AO & Wimby 17) and Rafa has answered (RG & USO 17) he'll have to win the French to again answer the challenge.
 
Peak Nadal would beat everyone on all surface.
I am sure they must have come up with dozens of excuses as usual instead of giving credit to Nadal where he deserved
 
Mustard said:
No, I wasn't. You are like a childish schoolkid bully, as usual.



I don't think anything about this era of tennis is "normal" compared to past eras, so what you consider "normal" scarcely bares thinking about.



When somebody resorts to personal attacks and has nothing else to offer, they have already lost the argument. You embody this more than anyone on this forum as far as I can see.



So you're a fortune teller now? Do please enlighten us with your wisdom about how tennis is going to go between now and 2025. Why don't you boldly state what YOU think is going to happen? You don't do that though. It is you that says very little, who is scared to say any bold prediction in the open, who hedges your bets, and who awaits a chance to launch a personal attack, on me in particular. How very Stalinist of you.



Oh look, a very insecure Federer fan who cannot bear that somebody dares to even question the opinion that he is the greatest ever. We've seen this type of Federer fan since 2006 at least. I've not forgotten those days, the hatred and bile dished out to Nadal by the most nasty Federer fans.

And historians are all biased, and use facts to suit their wider agenda. I'm frankly amazed that anyone believes different, and such people are extremely naive at best.



Is nobody allowed to dispute the notion that Federer is the GOAT? It seems not going by your logic here.
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Bolded: you apparently try to forget, but I will remind you: I did predict that Nadal (yes, your favourite) will win Majors again when you were writing him off, scrambling in the most unsightly manner for attention, trying to bargain that this or that doesn't count as winning.

And if you are a target for ridicule, it is because I see in your efforts to position yourself as a historian the danger for the history to be changed based on personal bias.

In the past you were hiding that this is how you see your position, but with this post you admit that you are seeking such development.


The rest of your post is insignificant to me, but it is worth mentioning that I have always attacked your sneaky attempts to portray yourself as a somewhat objective observer of the game, with all "your" memories and stats, while pushing for your agenda in the most unashamed manner.

Hardly an attack on your insignificant persona, while you, just in your post here, allowed yourself quite a few liberties in that regard.

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The_Order said:
Exactly.

The fact that Nadal is so close is actually quite remarkable in itself considering he's had to deal with peak Fed, then once that was past he had to deal with peak Novak along with all the injuries playing a part in him losing #1, skipping majors, losing confidence etc.

He's been through probably some of the toughest phases a player could possibly face and overcone them. (Beat Fed at AO and WIM, beat Novak at US Open), reclaimed #1 a record 3 times, ye #1 NINE YEARS after first doing it...
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Rafa - legend! :D
 
Tennis_Hands said:
I agree that we will never see a cheater of Nadal's caliber ever again (is it possible that such a thing theoretically exists?), but why should we "treasure" his cheating?

Also, the bolded: of all the reasons, why we marvel at the sight of little nephew, you chose the least relevant (as at least it was not his fault that Federer is old and cannot play a full schedule any more).

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Salty Federer fan alert. The cheating accusation is a bit rich given the Djokovic family said the biggest cheater is Federer (2006 rubbing ball marks out)!

Federer is not old...36 in the 21st century for an athlete is not old. Quit acting like he is 50
 
Tennis_Hands said:
Bolded: you apparently try to forget, but I will remind you: I did predict that Nadal (yes, your favourite) will win Majors again when you were writing him off, scrambling in the most unsightly manner for attention, trying to bargain that this or that doesn't count as winning.

And if you are a target for ridicule, it is because I see in your efforts to position yourself as a historian the danger for the history to be changed based on personal bias.

In the past you were hiding that this is how you see your position, but with this post you admit that you are seeking such development.


The rest of your post is insignificant to me.

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You do post nonsense, both content wise and grammatically.
 
Nadal to me is like a never ending 5th set where he lost the first one due to his bumm scratching, grunting and general delaying of the game; in the 2nd he won me over with his amazing game & determination; the third one he lost again due to his constant complaining and excusing his losses whereas in the 4th he seemed like a generally nice and likeable bloke off court.
 
Jealousy breeds hatred and contempt. Federer fans canmot cope with the reality that Nadal is the Greatest. Last decade Nadal has 14 majors djokovic 12 federer 7 so its simply impossible for federer to be the greatest when in his peak years he was so fsr behind his two main rivals. Nadal and djokovic have won all the majors in the last decade federer only on fast wimbledon and AO .and three of them when roof closed for him!
 
acintya said:
the real questio is: Why So Much Federer Love Here?
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Maybe because some people like his tennis. And he is a decent human being, too.

That said, i don;t think any sane person really hates Nadal. Some people just get provoked easily by other fan bases. But that happens with all bases. There's a huge amount of Federer hate that came out of a handful of people since the semifinals of AO, LOL.

However, I don't think this really has anything to do with Federer and Nadal. I've seen this kind of thing in other forums too not related to tennis. I was also active on tech forums where I saw a lot of hate. I finally quit all other forums due to this basic mentality of people.

Even here you find some people hate Apple products and love something else. The reasons for hating are usually weak like "I hate the apple/X/Y fanbois". The same thing happens with all kinds of technologies and softwares and languages. I was disappointed to find that people could put some preconceived notion or their personality ahead of facts and objectivity in a field they are working in or are deeply interested in.

People start out with an opinion and then most of them spend their entire life defending it, no matter what other facts or data come up. It's sad, if you ask me.
 
I dont know how you could base a preference for Nadal or any other player on a fact.

Having said that, various players ehibit various annoyances which are either noticed or ignored based on our preferences.

Sentinel said:
People start out with an opinion and then most of them spend their entire life defending it, no matter what other facts or data come up. It's sad, if you ask me.
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LouieBoy said:
Jealousy breeds hatred and contempt. Federer fans canmot cope with the reality that Nadal is the Greatest. Last decade Nadal has 14 majors djokovic 12 federer 7 so its simply impossible for federer to be the greatest when in his peak years he was so fsr behind his two main rivals. Nadal and djokovic have won all the majors in the last decade federer only on fast wimbledon and AO .and three of them when roof closed for him!
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When you're a teenager and lurk on here for a few days, but the fedrposting is just too much, so you boil over and throw down a quick rant with weird, incorrect statistics



We're gonna need to see the MS Excel spreadsheets I'm afraid. That you undoubtedly have on your computer and have spent an inordinate amount of time on and which arrive at those numbers you've posted.

Go on. Some other guy posted his up yesterday that show Roddick winning a CYGS and 14+ slams.
It can't possibly be more hilarious than that. You're in good company.
 
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