why so slow??

swizzy

Hall of Fame
i like to play quickly in almost every aspect of the game.. i have a few friends who have the same philosophy as me.. we can maximize our court time by having a short warm up..playing the first ball in on serve in the opening game..if conditions are fare, we only switch after the set. we can usually play 5 sets in 3 hours. This is my idea of some brisk tennis. I am in a minority i know.. One guy i play with is the absolute opposite.. i like him, generally enjoy his company, enjoy the competitive matches..absolutely hate his pace... I asked him if he could please just step up his crawl on my serve.. the rest is fine.. the 45 minute warm ups... the long sits between changeovers... the bouncing of the ball on his serve.. but he refuses to allow me to play anywhere near my pace.. he puts his hand up as he strolls to his position...sets his mark... and finally the hand comes down. granted i do like to play fast.. and i hit many aces when in a good rhythm.. and i know he knows he can get under my skin by his pace.. i know that i should just avoid him or get over it.. it is just not fair to me that people have no qualm with slowing a match... but the opposite would somehow be an affront. he acted as if i was being unreasonable..and that i am simply playing too fast.. before you say i am..i really am not. happy holidays
 

AnDaLe

Rookie
Maybe he's out of shape and needs to be totally rested before the next point starts? It makes a difference over the course of the match...
 
Play is at pace of the server, 20-25 secs between points, receiver has 15 seconds to get into place. 90 secs on the changeovers. If they go over loudly yell TIME!.
 

esgee48

Legend
^ This. However, you also have to let them clear any balls out of the way from any missed 1st serves. I have played with people that don't wait between serves at all. They serve, miss and immediately start their 2nd serve. I have to hold up my hand to check where the missed ball is and have been 'quicked served.' I don't even try to return as it is obvious I am not yet ready.

Only advice I would tender is to count to 10 before serving. That's the one stroke you do not want to rush.

You could also just line up to serve, look over and if they are not ready, just ask them to be prepared. But you have to give them an opportunity to do that. After a few times, they should get the message to be ready sooner. If not don't play with them if it bothers you that much.
 

anubis

Hall of Fame
Hmm. I was taught by my coach to always take 10 to 15 seconds between each serve. I don't consider myself to be "slow", but I definitely take all 90 seconds in change overs and 2 minutes between sets. I wear heart rate monitors when I play and i Like to see my heart rate go down to a manageable level before I get back on the court.

It's also good to wait: if your opponent has built up some momentum, you can get in the way of that.
 

mikeler

Moderator
I like to play guys that go quickly in practice for cardio and limited court time. I'll take more time in a tournament or league.
 

sovertennis

Professional
I like to play guys that go quickly in practice for cardio and limited court time. I'll take more time in a tournament or league.
Same here. Most of the guys I play with during the winter (ie when we're paying for court time) want to keep it moving by doing drills and drop-feed games rather than playing sets. We'll maybe play some service points or "21" for the last 15-20 minutes.
 
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Deleted member 23235

Guest
I'm a "slow" player :)

I prefer quality over quantity when playing sets... and try to play practice sets like I play a usta match or tournament. I take a full 10 min to hit all shots in warmup. I take my time between points. I'd rather play a partial quality set, than 2 sets where the 3/4 of the time we're both shanking balls we normally wouldn't. The OP would probably hate playing sets against me.

That said, if time is limited (say 1hr), I will still do a full 10m warmup (find my range, get the blood flowing, find my timing, etc...), but I'll spend the next 50m drilling/practicing like crazy. That means that for ~20min of "free hitting" I'll be running down balls 2ft wide of the sideline, hitting swinging volleys behind the baseline, run down mishit "drop shots" and generally play each ball like it's a real point. Then I'll spend ~15m doing groundstroke games (eg. drop hit, 3 balls over, then play out the point, with/without restrictions (eg. cross court only, bh/fh only, etc...)), and the last 10min serving (eg. 1 side serves out a game to 7... Then end the last 5 min with a fast volley to volley drill with both of us at the net.

IMO lots of folks on the public courts spend entirely way to much time playing sets, and not enough time practicing, conditioning, hustling, neglecting various strokes, etc...
 

LuckyR

Legend
i like to play quickly in almost every aspect of the game.. i have a few friends who have the same philosophy as me.. we can maximize our court time by having a short warm up..playing the first ball in on serve in the opening game..if conditions are fare, we only switch after the set. we can usually play 5 sets in 3 hours. This is my idea of some brisk tennis. I am in a minority i know.. One guy i play with is the absolute opposite.. i like him, generally enjoy his company, enjoy the competitive matches..absolutely hate his pace... I asked him if he could please just step up his crawl on my serve.. the rest is fine.. the 45 minute warm ups... the long sits between changeovers... the bouncing of the ball on his serve.. but he refuses to allow me to play anywhere near my pace.. he puts his hand up as he strolls to his position...sets his mark... and finally the hand comes down. granted i do like to play fast.. and i hit many aces when in a good rhythm.. and i know he knows he can get under my skin by his pace.. i know that i should just avoid him or get over it.. it is just not fair to me that people have no qualm with slowing a match... but the opposite would somehow be an affront. he acted as if i was being unreasonable..and that i am simply playing too fast.. before you say i am..i really am not. happy holidays
You are looking at this all wrong. He is a hit-around partner not a matchplay opponent. He happens to be giving you (free of charge) practice on an aspect of your game that, frankly, needs some work. That is, dealing with painfully slow players. The same way that a guy who will receive every single game on the day you want to work on your serve, or play S&V (even though that isn't his preference) so you can work on your passing shots, this guy is a gift to you. Be thankful for the gift.

Happy holidays.
 

mikeler

Moderator
I'm a "slow" player :)

I prefer quality over quantity when playing sets... and try to play practice sets like I play a usta match or tournament. I take a full 10 min to hit all shots in warmup. I take my time between points. I'd rather play a partial quality set, than 2 sets where the 3/4 of the time we're both shanking balls we normally wouldn't. The OP would probably hate playing sets against me.

That said, if time is limited (say 1hr), I will still do a full 10m warmup (find my range, get the blood flowing, find my timing, etc...), but I'll spend the next 50m drilling/practicing like crazy. That means that for ~20min of "free hitting" I'll be running down balls 2ft wide of the sideline, hitting swinging volleys behind the baseline, run down mishit "drop shots" and generally play each ball like it's a real point. Then I'll spend ~15m doing groundstroke games (eg. drop hit, 3 balls over, then play out the point, with/without restrictions (eg. cross court only, bh/fh only, etc...)), and the last 10min serving (eg. 1 side serves out a game to 7... Then end the last 5 min with a fast volley to volley drill with both of us at the net.

IMO lots of folks on the public courts spend entirely way to much time playing sets, and not enough time practicing, conditioning, hustling, neglecting various strokes, etc...
What is this practice thing you speak of? :)
 

J_R_B

Hall of Fame
Play is at pace of the server, 20-25 secs between points, receiver has 15 seconds to get into place. 90 secs on the changeovers. If they go over loudly yell TIME!.
He's just out playing with a friend, not playing in a tournament. Loudly yelling TIME! at a friend in a social match would be really awkward.
 

swizzy

Hall of Fame
it is a friendly match.. but we are both 4.5 players and it is good tennis..just frustrating for me.. sometimes very.. i have 5 kids and i try to play 4 times a week.. i really feel the three hours i carve out per day to be a strain on my family.. and i also refuse to give it up.. i just want to play as many sets as possible and get moving,...still frustrating.. i want to email him and tell him how i feel..and this has helped me a bit.. just to clear my mind
 

kevrol

Hall of Fame
it is a friendly match.. but we are both 4.5 players and it is good tennis..just frustrating for me.. sometimes very.. i have 5 kids and i try to play 4 times a week.. i really feel the three hours i carve out per day to be a strain on my family.. and i also refuse to give it up.. i just want to play as many sets as possible and get moving,...still frustrating.. i want to email him and tell him how i feel..and this has helped me a bit.. just to clear my mind
5 kids and you play for 3 hrs 4 times a week?
 
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Deleted member 23235

Guest
it is a friendly match.. but we are both 4.5 players and it is good tennis..just frustrating for me.. sometimes very.. i have 5 kids and i try to play 4 times a week.. i really feel the three hours i carve out per day to be a strain on my family.. and i also refuse to give it up.. i just want to play as many sets as possible and get moving,...still frustrating.. i want to email him and tell him how i feel..and this has helped me a bit.. just to clear my mind
ok, as a family man, I get it. I think if my buddy were that slow, I might good-naturedly joke with him, nickname him turtle or something.

If the in between breaks really are that long, I'd probably just start serving and get my practice in one way or another,.. maybe hit 3 serves, and run/walk to the other side, and keep doing that until he's ready (I'm also presuming you don't mind the exercise at the risk of losing the match due to fatigue - for that matter your friend could be slow rolling you because he's out of shape). If he thinks it's anti-social, I'd highlight, that I only have 1hr away, i gotta maximize my tennis time... then hopefully he gets the hint, but either way you get some tennis time in.
 
He's just out playing with a friend, not playing in a tournament. Loudly yelling TIME! at a friend in a social match would be really awkward.
It might be "awkward" but I've seen it work. That's my solution, what's yours? Your enemy who tells you the truth is a better friend then a friend who lies to you.
 

user92626

G.O.A.T.
There's a range of pace that feels natural for the majority. Outside this range most of us would feel annoyed too. I don't like slow-prepared players either.

There's this guy who's super nice but also freaking slow with starting points. When he arrives he would take time to settle in, smokes, warms up for at least 30 minutes or more. When we finally start the set, he still wants a few practice serves. Between points he takes a minute or two to huddle, strategize with his partner! And he takes a drink at almost every changeover.

I checked with other players whether they also feel he's slow and they confirmed.

Basically if there's other player around, I typically avoid playing with him.
 

NLBwell

Legend
Hmm. I was taught by my coach to always take 10 to 15 seconds between each serve. I don't consider myself to be "slow", but I definitely take all 90 seconds in change overs and 2 minutes between sets. I wear heart rate monitors when I play and i Like to see my heart rate go down to a manageable level before I get back on the court.

It's also good to wait: if your opponent has built up some momentum, you can get in the way of that.
That is slow.
 

swizzy

Hall of Fame
There's a range of pace that feels natural for the majority. Outside this range most of us would feel annoyed too. I don't like slow-prepared players either.

There's this guy who's super nice but also freaking slow with starting points. When he arrives he would take time to settle in, smokes, warms up for at least 30 minutes or more. When we finally start the set, he still wants a few practice serves. Between points he takes a minute or two to huddle, strategize with his partner! And he takes a drink at almost every changeover.

I checked with other players whether they also feel he's slow and they confirmed.

Basically if there's other player around, I typically avoid playing with him.
very possible his name is tom and lives here in jersey.. that is my guy. i am going to talk to him.. we play now every friday iindoors.. it is winter here in new jersey..the tennis has moved indoors. and the more i think about it.. it is what pushed me over the edge. i am now driving and paying to play..and i have 5 kids and i like to play fast..and of the 12 people playing he and i are the best players..so i am pretty much playing him each time we meet..and it is the only tennis i am getting unless the weather gets above 40 degrees.. so i have become much more sensitive to his usual slow ways..and i think i am prepared to hit him with a cogent argument to pick up the pace..not only during my service games..but in general.. thanks for everyones responses.. happy holidays and great tennis and a return to form for rafa in the new year.
 

anubis

Hall of Fame
Dude, I concur with NLB. 10-15 seconds (that's your best but usually more when you're tired) between 1st and 2nd serve is slow. I serve my 2nd immediately without bouncing.

Sorry I meant 10-15 seconds between points, not serves. I serve second serve immediately.
 

Bionic slice

Semi-Pro
what bothers me the most... is the a-hole kind of server....you know this person, you might be one of these kind of players, not giving the returner a moment to get into position to return the ball before you start serving as i am getting into position.
I'm not slow, might take a sip of water but i never sit unless its over a 100 degrees in Dallas or if i need to find some shade for a SEC but i hate when the server is about to start blasting serves before i can get into position. I have to ask this kind of player, give me just a second. If they don't, i will look for and get a nearby ball and it towards them so i have the time to be ready for the return.
I don't do a lot of small talk, i want to win and get this match going, i have never taken a restroom break...ie stall break to regain or attempt to retain momentum but have had several players attempt this on me this year and they all fail when i was up a set.
For me, to speed up the league or tourney match, i grab swig of my drink, and head to the service line to move the game on, regardless if im serving or returning. I don't need to sit and chit chat like some players like or want to, For me, that's what the end of the match is unless im playing a practice match with a friend.
 

swizzy

Hall of Fame
i play a very consistent pace.. it is quick.. i look up to see my guy is ready..call serve and the ball is in motion.. this guy, i think, deliberately likes to mess with my pace.. we play together a lot.. i tolerate his slow pace in every aspect of the game..except on my serve.. i think he thinks that since he is leisurely that i should play to his lumbering ways... we are in fact now paying by the hour to play since it is very much winter here in the northeast.. we have had a break since the time i started this thread as the club was closed the friday after christmas and new years day.. we play this friday and i am going to talk it out before we get started to hopefully work on a compromise..
 

swizzy

Hall of Fame
Your not kidding! My wife would never go for that. And with 5 kids...please. I need to show my wife this post when she says I play too much tennis.
winters are rough here.. i play pickle ball twice a week now and tennis once [both indoors] i also play regularly if the weather is above 36 with sun.. i played 4 times last week since the weather cooperated.. my wife has been awesome [most days] about my tennis.. i don't go to bars, gamble, cheat, or watch football, baseball, etc.. just the 4 slams a year and my own tennis.. so it isn't too much to ask.. i do coach the boys and girls tennis teams here.. and that was an issue with her for a while.. she thought that coaching would take the place of my playing.. in fact coaching only makes my desire to play greater.
 

dlk

Hall of Fame
I too, like to serve fast, it's a rhythm thing. Usually my returners are compliant, but occasionally I have to wait on some. If I'm returning, I attempt to comply with the server's pace, and get ready fast if they also have quick pace.
 
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