Why some multis unravel and which for hybrid?

phl92

Semi-Pro
I dont know a whole lot about string as you can tell from my question, but here it is:

I used in my Yonex Ezone 98 2020 a hybrid of SolincoTB in mains and Wilson NXT in crosses (@23kg), which is the perfect setup for me... EXCEPT that durability of tension hold is not great and it mostly just breaks after 3-7 hours. Its breaks because the poly literally cuts through the NXT string. For me this is too costly restringing every second week and also time intensive (my stringer is far now)

I noticed also that NXT already after 1 hour starts to unravel/fray like crazy. I notice this on some other multis but not all multis. NRG2 also unraveled like crazy and soon broke then as well as natural gut, but natural gut holded long after unraveling.
Then on the other hand some multis look more like polys and dont unravel at all and my assumption is they also break less therefore. I dont know if they hold tension also longer?
I just got a Head Challenge 17G on my second racket from my stringer (cannot find a lot of information in the net for it) but I dont really like it. Plays like a brick, too crisp, too much power and not much spin, no feel after 1,5 hours playing with it.

So I suppose multi is not always multi, and there are varieties in the construction.
What kind of multifilament is good for hybriding it in terms of durability (tension hold+ not breaking too soon). I need something which plays well for at least 12 hours.
 
Multifilaments are all made of thin fibres covered by an outer layer. In the case of a Head Rip Control it is quite clear to see. In the case of Head Velocity it is not so obvious. If it’s note made that way, it’s not a multi.

and all multi’s wear through the outer layer in hybrids, some faster than others, but they all do. Last weekend I had a rip control where the outer layer got damaged. It literally took two more hits to snap.

I’m not a string breaker at all, but Velocity seems to last longer for me. Otherwise you’ll need to try something soft that’s not a multi.
 

phl92

Semi-Pro
I read here a lot good things about Head Velocity. Maybe I will try it even in a fullbed, I guess its breaking later than also. Spin wise it will be less I guess though
 
As a full bed it will be less spin and it will feel very different.

I have also used Head Sonic Pro as a cross. That’s a pretty comfortable string, but feels pretty dead, so not sure if you’ll like that. It does last longer because it is a monofilament, so not as vulnerable. And you can go up a size or two for extra durability.
 

phl92

Semi-Pro
btw is it only me or is the TT String Databank and all other tools related to strings down? I try already since Friday and the site shows me an error..
 

geubes

Rookie
Prince Premier Touch and Head Rip Control are both good.

Neither unwind. They will start to fray as they get close to breaking. But both are durable as a cross, Rip Control especially.
 

g4driver

Hall of Fame
I dont know a whole lot about string as you can tell from my question, but here it is:

I used in my Yonex Ezone 98 2020 a hybrid of SolincoTB in mains and Wilson NXT in crosses (@23kg), which is the perfect setup for me... EXCEPT that durability of tension hold is not great and it mostly just breaks after 3-7 hours. Its breaks because the poly literally cuts through the NXT string. For me this is too costly restringing every second week and also time intensive (my stringer is far now)

I noticed also that NXT already after 1 hour starts to unravel/fray like crazy. I notice this on some other multis but not all multis. NRG2 also unraveled like crazy and soon broke then as well as natural gut, but natural gut holded long after unraveling.
Then on the other hand some multis look more like polys and dont unravel at all and my assumption is they also break less therefore. I dont know if they hold tension also longer?
I just got a Head Challenge 17G on my second racket from my stringer (cannot find a lot of information in the net for it) but I dont really like it. Plays like a brick, too crisp, too much power and not much spin, no feel after 1,5 hours playing with it.

So I suppose multi is not always multi, and there are varieties in the construction.
What kind of multifilament is good for hybriding it in terms of durability (tension hold+ not breaking too soon). I need something which plays well for at least 12 hours.
Don't mix hot knives and warm butter. (n) The source of your problem (unraveling) is you are mixing hot knives (sharp-edged polys) with warm butter (multis like NXT, NRG2 and Natural Gut). Do you understand what a hot knife does to warm butter? That's exactly what is happening to your multi and gut crosses. The hot knife (TourBite) is ripping and slicing through the butter (your crosses)

If you want something to last 12 hours and you want to continue using a sharp-edged poly like TourBite, Hyper G, Volkl Cyclone, Black Widow, etc.:

1) use a smooth slick poly cross like Ghostwire, YPTP, Wilson Revolve, Head Hawk, Lux 4G Soft (it really isn't soft)
2) use a thick 1.35mm synthetic gut cross (which will outlast a 1.35mm multi)
3) if you insist on using a multi, grab some 1.40mm Prince Premiere Control. Yep, that's 15G Multi. If you can't find 1.40mm PPC, grab either of these two "fusion" string from Tecnfibre 1.38mm Triax or Tecnfibre 1.35mm HDMX
 

phl92

Semi-Pro
hot knives and warm butter :D thanks, even I understand it this way.

ABout 1) can I use these Polys also in the mains? I like polys in mains for the additional spin/pocketing feel on my groundstrokes.

So you are saying synthetic gut holds longer than multis in general. Will try that then...
 

g4driver

Hall of Fame
Synthetic Gut will outlast a traditional pure multifilament AOTBE. e.g. same frame, same tension, same player, the same amount of hitting.

What is pure multifilament? A multifilament without a monofilament core (Tecnifibre Multifeel), or without other fibers like multis with polyester DNA (NXT Control, Tecnifibre HDX Tour, HDMX, Triax, RPX, Head FXP). The DNA of many strings are proprietary for obvious reasons, but many companies disclose parts of the DNA of their strings. Strings like Isospeed Cream and Yonex Poly Tour Air are heavy elastomer DNA fused strings and Elastomer is listed in each string's description. What is elastomer? A: a fancy name for rubber.

Let's compare the two: a) TourBite mains / Babolat Syn Gut vs b) TourBite Mains / Head Velocity or X1 BiPhase/NRG2 or Wilson NXT/Sensation. The synthetic gut will out last the traditional multis. Multis are hundreds of individual fibers which break down much faster compared to a solid core string like Syn Gut. The frame with the syn gut cross will be more durable, AOTBE. The multis will fray and break quicker. They are multis.. it is what they do.

If you want the long-lasting "multi", put some of Tecnifibre "fusion" strings in the crosses. 1.38 mm TRIAX or 1.33mm HDMX. Both are "polyester fiber infused strings", but they feel like multis and will likely outlast 1.35mm synthetic gut.


If you want a great multi with a solid core, Tecnifibre Multifeel is my recommendation. It is cheap and the solid core means a longer life than a traditional multi like NXT, Sensation, Velocity, X1 or NRG2. Multifeel comes in Black, Natural, Pink, Blue

Finally, Prince makes PPC in 1.40mm if you can find it. It's about $89 a reel.
Here's the 1.35mm PPC.

For the money, Tecnfibre's HDMX and Triax by the reel is a great value. I get 40 sets of 16.6" crosses out of a reel and use those reels exclusively on 100 square inch frames or less with 16x19 patterns, to make sure I get exactly 40 sets of crosses out of the reel. If someone wants a full bed of HDMX, I pull that from a pack.

If you want to use TourBite or any sharp edged main poly, I would steer you away from pure multifilaments, and suggest you try in the following order:

1) a slick smooth copoly like Tier One Ghostwire ($9 a pack) in a gauge = to or lower than the gauge of TourBite. e.g. TourBite 1.25mm / Ghostwire 1.22mm. Don't use TourBite 1.25mm / Ghostwire 1.27mm
2) Tecnfibre Multifeel in 1.30mm (that is the thickest it comes to my knowledge) (about $8 on sale, normally about $9.5 a pack)
3) Tecnfibre Triax or HDMX in the thickest gauge you can purchase. Triax ($15.96) comes in 1.38mm, 1,33mm, and 1.28mm while HDMX ($12.76 on sale by the pack) comes in 1.35, 1.30, 1.25mm
4) Synthetic Gut in 1.35mm (the cheapest option)
5) PPC in 1.35mm (about $9 USD)

I personally think Triax is overpriced, and only stock HDMX, X1, and Multifeel in reels. I stock HDX Tour (discontinued and replaced by HDMX) and NRG2 in packs. IMO, Tecnfibre makes the best multifilaments in the world. Multifilaments are Technifibre's niche. Wilson has a pretty large offering in NXT, but Wilson is proud of NXT and they overprice it IMO. IMO, Wilson Sensation is garbage compared to Head Velocity. I stock both because some clients want Sensation. Head Velocity is the best deal IMO on a pure multifilament and is often on sale half price by the set.

I string more Head Velocity than any other mulit for that reason. Hope my .02 helps you
 

fuzz nation

G.O.A.T.
hot knives and warm butter :D thanks, even I understand it this way.

ABout 1) can I use these Polys also in the mains? I like polys in mains for the additional spin/pocketing feel on my groundstrokes.

So you are saying synthetic gut holds longer than multis in general. Will try that then...
I often rely on Gosen OGSM 16 as a cross for the poly hybrids I string for locals. It's a little more firm than some other syn. guts, but that just means that you can tension it just a little lower than something softer. It's affordable, pretty slippery, and even as it starts to wear, it seems to continue to allow mains to move across it instead of really "locking up".
 
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