Devilito
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his major problem is the lack of winning
Why the tennis still needs Roger Federer
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his major problem is the lack of winning
glazkovss
Professional
I would like to see Federer try and win Singles Olimpics and Davis Cup - these titles I think are more important than fighting for no.1 ranking weeks record, which as it seems Fed priories now. I don't see much difference in spending 285 or 290 weeks at the top, while with those titles I've listed you either have it (like Nadal, Agassi, Kafelnikov own both or Sampras, Courier, Djokovic only DC) or not (like Federer). It's gonna be visible holes in the resume of his caliber if he won't win at least one of the two.
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killertubbie
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What a dumba$$ excuse! Nadal won his 2 Wimbledon while Fed has mono in 2008 and a back pain last year...
I am sure he did
ananda
Semi-Pro
So you guys watch tennis for pretty faces ?? Wow, this forum is getting filled with girly men !!!
And yes, the backhand that only one person could break down.
Put your fanboyism apart for a moment. Your h2h argument conveniently ignores the fact that Rafa did not reach many finals, and the h2h was largely on clay.
In any case, if you read the OP carefully, he is talking about RF's tennis, not whether Roger is the GOAT or not.
So what if it is mostly on clay? It is neither Fed's fault nor Rafa's fault.
Fact is, the H2H stands. Any number of excuses can be made, but it is the fact. As also that Rafa won the Olympics singles gold.
There is no way Fed can be GOAT when there has been a player in his own time dominating him so ruthlessly.
And it all comes down to his BH. Again, that is not Fed's fault, as his one hander was in the tradition of Sampras and Laver. It is a basic deficiency of the one hander, which now even Djokovic can exploit. It is not Fed's fault that the game has evolved, but that does not grant him an excuse.
Fact is, the H2H stands. Any number of excuses can be made, but it is the fact. As also that Rafa won the Olympics singles gold.
There is no way Fed can be GOAT when there has been a player in his own time dominating him so ruthlessly.
And it all comes down to his BH. Again, that is not Fed's fault, as his one hander was in the tradition of Sampras and Laver. It is a basic deficiency of the one hander, which now even Djokovic can exploit. It is not Fed's fault that the game has evolved, but that does not grant him an excuse.
fednad
Hall of Fame
You seem to be fan of that Spanish Chimp who, every second minute, thrusts his hand between his butt crack and then publicly smells it with pleasure followed by a loud vamos-fart.
JustBob
Hall of Fame
By your logic, since the game always evolves, no former player can ever be GOAT because by current standards, they would have "deficiencies".
Omega_7000
Legend
Ouch! :lol:
DjokerIsTheBest
Banned
Wait why isn't it Rafa's fault he didn't reach more other surface finals from 05-07?
It only matters when they played each other. Why they did not play each other is not the point.
No, it is when someone in the same era dominates him due to the weakness that it becomes an issue
ivan_the_terrible
Hall of Fame
Supposing that "someone" is a dishonest cheater, does your argument still hold water? Or are you just a numbers guy?
MaiDee
Professional
LuckyR
Legend
Tennis may or may not need RF, the question, though is: does Roger need tennis? Or to put it another way: at what ranking (below #1) does the RF ego say "the h3ll with it, if I can't be #1 I don't want to mess with the tour!".
How low is too low for Rog? Do you foresee him tolerating being introduced on the PA system around the world: "and now, former world #1, the current number seven, IN THE WORLD... Roger Federer!!!"
How low is too low for Rog? Do you foresee him tolerating being introduced on the PA system around the world: "and now, former world #1, the current number seven, IN THE WORLD... Roger Federer!!!"
Povl Carstensen
Legend
Posted by Nadal: I am more than happy with my titles, and I think talk about if I am better or worse than Roger is stupid because the titles say he's much better than me, so that's the truth at that moment. I think that will be true all my life.
Povl Carstensen
Legend
Thats your opinion, but not shared by most.
Real intent of Humbalito: Everyone knows I am better than Federer. He called me one-dimensional and insulted Uncle Toni for supposedly coaching me. Once he found that he could not beat me, he decided to try some bromance on me. I am a simple kid and don't play mind games, so I just play my best and beat him every time.
DjokerIsTheBest
Banned
How could he beat him every time if the H2H is 15-8?
DjokerIsTheBest
Banned
The reason they did not play each other more often was because Rafa stunk on all the surface until Fed's mono hit. What a coincidence.
DjokerIsTheBest
Banned
Agreed, Davydenko's dominance of Nadal H2H speaks for itself. Facts are facts.
That still doesn't change Fed-Nadal H2H though. Davydenko may be the GOAT, but Fed isn't is the point.
DjokerIsTheBest
Banned
Hmmm so Davydenko is the GOAT, yet Fed dominates Davydenko H2H, so that makes him GOAT??? LOL Got yaaaaaaaaaaa. You can't weasel out of this one
Hmmm so Davydenko is the GOAT, yet Fed dominates Davydenko H2H, so that makes him GOAT??? LOL Got yaaaaaaaaaaa. You can't weasel out of this one
Yes, because people always mention Davydenko as GOAT, not Nadal or Federer.
Give it up man.
DjokerIsTheBest
Banned
HAhaah, excuses excuses. But clearly the H2H speaks for itself. Davydenko >>> Nadal.
What's better to have a losing H2H against a 9 time slam champion or a slamless wonder?
Think about that one for a bit Ray Mercer
Hall of Fame
sureshs is a clown.
He jst tries to make some good jokes but his delivery isn't polished. The person good though at delivering a joke is suresh's mom.
fednad
Hall of Fame
When did you return from Rafa's harum and massage parlour?
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
ksbh
Banned
ROFL X 5000! Brilliant!
Suresh, give the girl a break. I think you've taken her to the cleaners enough times in this one thread alone! LOL!
Suresh, give the girl a break. I think you've taken her to the cleaners enough times in this one thread alone! LOL!
OTMPut
Hall of Fame
i have told you this many times. you are better off investing your time in improving that ugly serve of yours.
Probably you didn't see it, but in the Former Pro Player section, there was a thread about the GOAT from each country. People were suggesting Ramanathan Krishnan and Vijay Amritraj. I corrected them and suggested your name.
No, the person better than her is Federer because he delivers a joke backhand.
It's a joke backhand that gave the others a chance at relative greatness.
ksbh
Banned
No, I didn't see it but thanks for stating the facts Suresh! I'm indeed the best that country ever produced.
And among the objective reporters of this game, you're certainly the best!
And among the objective reporters of this game, you're certainly the best!
DjokerIsTheBest
Banned
Sorry, but Vijay was a movie star too. He wins.
Octopusssy.......
BrooklynNY
Hall of Fame
Sureshs for the win!
I was in the same place where you grew up. I used to see your name in the sports page of the Statesman. I have also visited the South Club where you must have played many matches. But those days I had no clue about tennis. I got myself a wood racquet and hit with it for a few days but gave up.
DjokerIsTheBest
Banned
I think the latter two syllables pretty much proves my point.
ananda
Semi-Pro
Probably more relevant than the derailing going on ...
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5586664&postcount=82
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5586664&postcount=82
accidental
Hall of Fame
Great post Op.
hutennis
New User
Great original post. I feel like Federer's game, even if he were in his prime, could not dominate the current field of competitors boasting so much power and speed. But I must say, watching Federer is more like poetry in motion in comparison to others. I'd definitely like him to stick around a few more years so more people can witness it... losing or not.
accidental
Hall of Fame
Roger Federer is worth looking at. His head, features, shoulders, and torso have a size that attracts attention; their proportions to each other made an effect which in any male at any place would justify more than the term handsome - in his later years, he is likely to become to be known beyond his local world, the word "Roman" will be used in descriptions of him.
His legs bore out the striking and agreeable proportions of his body; and his lightness on his feet, his erectness, his easy bearing, add to the impression of physical grace and virility. His suppleness, combined with his bigness of frame, and his large, wide-set rather glowing eyes, heavy brown hair, and markedly bronze complexion give him some of the handsomeness of an Indian. His courtesy as he surrenders tennis advice to fellow players suggests genuine friendliness towards all mankind. His voice is noticeably resonant, masculine, warm. His pleasure in the attentions of the bootblack's whisk reflect a consciousness about clothes unusual in an Swiss man. His manner, as he bestows a tip suggested generous good-nature, a wish to give pleasure, based on physical well-being and a sincere kindliness of heart.
His legs bore out the striking and agreeable proportions of his body; and his lightness on his feet, his erectness, his easy bearing, add to the impression of physical grace and virility. His suppleness, combined with his bigness of frame, and his large, wide-set rather glowing eyes, heavy brown hair, and markedly bronze complexion give him some of the handsomeness of an Indian. His courtesy as he surrenders tennis advice to fellow players suggests genuine friendliness towards all mankind. His voice is noticeably resonant, masculine, warm. His pleasure in the attentions of the bootblack's whisk reflect a consciousness about clothes unusual in an Swiss man. His manner, as he bestows a tip suggested generous good-nature, a wish to give pleasure, based on physical well-being and a sincere kindliness of heart.
That's right, Nadal was on top of the world for 2 whole years!!! That makes him in a whole different class above Federer....meanwhile Federer was only #1 whenever the field sucked. But whenever Nadal was #1, the field was awesome!!!
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Of course!!!!!! That is the way it works. The field sucked big time from Feb 04until August 08.
But then the field was just soooo strong from Aug 08, to June 09. You won't believe the astronomical rise in the competition field during those months. It was nothing that was ever seen before.
But, something strange happened...July 09 until June 10 the field was depleted. Some kind of biblical plague, unleashing of the four horseman, ravaged the lands of the extremely competitive tennis world. It was terrible, there was no competition left.
But then, after the darkest of days, the brightest of light came from beyond the horizon from July 10, and the competition became miraciously the greatest it has ever been. The depth, incomparable to anything in the past was truly a God-send to this planet.
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