Why the tennis still needs Roger Federer

[NadalAgassi]

Federer and Nadal both faced a weak overall field. Most Nadal fans have no problems admiting this obvious fact, it seems most Federer fans are in denial and actually consider the current era that boasts Roddick as one of its biggest dogs (long term) as a super field superior to past ones, lol! The big difference is Nadal went through Federer himself to win alot of his titles, unlike the other way around.

 

[namelessone]

Of course!!!!!! That is the way it works. The field sucked big time from Feb 04until August 08.

But then the field was just soooo strong from Aug 08, to June 09. You won't believe the astronomical rise in the competition field during those months. It was nothing that was ever seen before.

But, something strange happened...July 09 until June 10 the field was depleted. Some kind of biblical plague, unleashing of the four horseman, ravaged the lands of the extremely competitive tennis world. It was terrible, there was no competition left.

But then, after the darkest of days, the brightest of light came from beyond the horizon from July 10, and the competition became miraciously the greatest it has ever been. The depth, incomparable to anything in the past was truly a God-send to this planet.

The field gets stronger when trophies are bitten and lessened when they are kissed

Apparently that's the way tennis works nowadays.

 

[DjokerIsTheBest]

Federer and Nadal both faced a weak overall field. Most Nadal fans have no problems admiting this obvious fact, it seems most Federer fans are in denial and actually consider the current era that boasts Roddick as one of its biggest dogs (long term) as a super field superior to past ones, lol! The big difference is Nadal went through Federer himself to win alot of his titles, unlike the other way around.

It's a shame those most Nadal fans can't grasp the concepts of 'weak-strong' era contradictions.

 

[ksbh]

ROFL X 5000, NA! You, sir, are on the ball today!

I've said some harsh things about Roddick myself but this one? I won't argue though because it does hammer home a good point! LOL!

Federer and Nadal both faced a weak overall field. Most Nadal fans have no problems admiting this obvious fact, it seems most Federer fans are in denial and actually consider the current era that boasts Roddick as one of its biggest dogs (long term) as a super field superior to past ones, lol! The big difference is Nadal went through Federer himself to win alot of his titles, unlike the other way around.

 

[Povl Carstensen]

Excuses really don't matter. The H2H speaks for itself. Facts cannot be changed.

The fact is that you are pretty alone with your opinions.

That still doesn't change Fed-Nadal H2H though. Davydenko may be the GOAT, but Fed isn't is the point.

If Davydenko may be the goat, then certainly Federer is.

 

[Povl Carstensen]

Heres a few facts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_career_achievements_by_Roger_Federer

 

[TheTruth]

How do people miss that the current Top 10 are in the 23-25 range?

So how old were they six years ago?

Don't they get time to mature and gain experience?

It is impossible for the field to have been strong back then, when they've just reached the age of maturity.

LOL@ the wild dramatizations.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

The field gets stronger when trophies are bitten and lessened when they are kissed

Apparently that's the way tennis works nowadays.

LOL! Yeah, if you're biting trophies, the field gets stronger. If you are kissing, it weakens. Because lets face it, kissing is for pansies! LOL! And we have been waiting decades for the biting to begin, so we can finally say we have a strong era! And here we are, living that strong era we have so desperately been craving.

 

[sureshs]

Roger Federer is worth looking at. His head, features, shoulders, and torso have a size that attracts attention; their proportions to each other made an effect which in any male at any place would justify more than the term handsome - in his later years, he is likely to become to be known beyond his local world, the word "Roman" will be used in descriptions of him.

His legs bore out the striking and agreeable proportions of his body; and his lightness on his feet, his erectness, his easy bearing, add to the impression of physical grace and virility. His suppleness, combined with his bigness of frame, and his large, wide-set rather glowing eyes, heavy brown hair, and markedly bronze complexion give him some of the handsomeness of an Indian. His courtesy as he surrenders tennis advice to fellow players suggests genuine friendliness towards all mankind. His voice is noticeably resonant, masculine, warm. His pleasure in the attentions of the bootblack's whisk reflect a consciousness about clothes unusual in an Swiss man. His manner, as he bestows a tip suggested generous good-nature, a wish to give pleasure, based on physical well-being and a sincere kindliness of heart.

Are you a painter or sculptor?

 

[ksbh]

ha ha, I'm amused by the number of Fedfools in here that think Suresh's opinions are worthless yet get in circular arguments with him! ROFL!

 

[DjokerIsTheBest]

ha ha, I'm amused by the number of Fedfools in here that think Suresh's opinions are worthless yet get in circular arguments with him! ROFL!

What circular arguments? He's the one saying Davydenko is GOAT .

 

[ksbh]

Suresh's argument is clear as the water that runs outside the Temple in Mookambika Kollur (in the southern state of Karnataka, India, for you non-Indian folks)... I could see the water coursing through the scattered little pebbles at the bottom of the stream! But this was over 20 years ago, so I can't vouch for that in modern times, unless I visit again!

Davydenko may or may not be the GOAT. Nadal either. The point is that regardless of that, Federer isn't the GOAT.

And no, he didn't say Federer-arse-kisser Davydenko is the GOAT. You did.

What circular arguments? He's the one saying Davydenko is GOAT .

 

[DjokerIsTheBest]

Suresh's argument is clear as the water that runs outside the Temple in Mookambika Kollur (in the southern state of Karnataka, India, for you non-Indian folks)... I could see the water coursing through the scattered little pebbles at the bottom of the stream! But this was over 20 years ago, so I can't vouch for that in modern times, unless I visit again!

Davydenko may or may not be the GOAT. Nadal either. The point is that regardless of that, Federer isn't the GOAT.

And no, he didn't say Federer-arse-kisser Davydenko is the GOAT. You did.

No one is GOAT. But if someone put a gun to your head, the majority of people would name Roger Federer. Done deal. Mob rules!

 

[Povl Carstensen]

ha ha, I'm amused by the number of Fedfools in here that think Suresh's opinions are worthless yet get in circular arguments with him! ROFL!

Suresh's argument is clear as the water that runs outside the Temple in Mookambika Kollur (in the southern state of Karnataka, India, for you non-Indian folks)... I could see the water coursing through the scattered little pebbles at the bottom of the stream! But this was over 20 years ago, so I can't vouch for that in modern times, unless I visit again!

Davydenko may or may not be the GOAT. Nadal either. The point is that regardless of that, Federer isn't the GOAT.

And no, he didn't say Federer-arse-kisser Davydenko is the GOAT. You did.

Maybe you should stop calling people names and stating opinions as facts.

 

[ksbh]

Okay now, it's possible that may be true. But you'd do well to note that many of those folks have jumped off the Federer bandwagon already.

No one is GOAT. But if someone put a gun to your head, the majority of people would name Roger Federer. Done deal. Mob rules!

 

[ksbh]

Fair enough, sorry!

Maybe you should stop calling people names and stating opinions as facts.

 

[Povl Carstensen]

Yes goat is a matter of general consensus, and in that respect Federer is clearly the goat. Seems like some people have a hard time living with that.

 

[ksbh]

Yes, and the mediocre Spice Girls are the greatest musical group in the world.

Yes goat is a matter of general consensus, and in that respect Federer is clearly the goat. Seems like some people have a hard time living with that.

 

[DjokerIsTheBest]

Okay now, it's possible that may be true. But you'd do well to note that many of those folks have jumped off the Federer bandwagon already.

Yeah sure, that's the fickle nature of humanity. But the only objective data we have are achievements, all else including weak era arguments are subjective BS. 16 slams rules currently rules the roost. It's all just semantics, you can call that GOAT or not.

 

[DjokerIsTheBest]

Yes, and the mediocre Spice Girls are the greatest musical group in the world.

Ummm, no that would be the Beatles. Usually the mob is onto something. It's only the minority that is caught up in their own delusional beliefs. Majority chooses by Brownian motion. That's how life works.

 

[slice bh compliment]

Majority chooses by Brownian motion. That's how life works.

Yes. Brownianmotion. Look at the brain on Brad.

I've seen Brownianmotion, man, and it ain't pretty, especially when you are about to eat a brownie and it just gets up and walks away from you. That indeed is how life works. Brownianmotion.

 

[slice bh compliment]

Yes, and the mediocre Spice Girls are the greatest musical group in the world.

What? You don't like the Spice Girls? Why The Face?

I agree with DjokerisBeast. Even my youngest son knows the Beatles and Federer are the greatest KNOWN to man. He may root for Rafa and jam to a Green Day or a Radiohead song, but like most of us...he knows who the GoATs are.

 

[sureshs]

Yes goat is a matter of general consensus, and in that respect Federer is clearly the goat. Seems like some people have a hard time living with that.

If Fed had won the Olympics singles Gold, I might have forgiven his H2H and his BH and accepted him as GOAT, given his 16 Slams and Career Slam. But that did not happen. He has one more chance next year in London.

 

[DjokerIsTheBest]

If Fed had won the Olympics singles Gold, I might have forgiven his H2H and his BH and accepted him as GOAT, given his 16 Slams and Career Slam. But that did not happen. He has one more chance next year in London.

Isn't doubles twice as good as singles? Simple math.

 

[bolo]

I hope he sticks around for a few more years too, tennis (and nadal) would be poorer without him.

 

[billnepill]

Okay now, it's possible that may be true. But you'd do well to note that many of those folks have jumped off the Federer bandwagon already.

jumping off the bandwagon must be fun. You should know.

Btw, the thread is about Federer being needed, not Federer being the GOAT.

Like it or not, the majority of the people here, me incl, consider him the best they have ever seen. Maybe we are young fools, maybe we are not considerate, but that is what he is to us, "*******s". He has produced some amazing tennis and has achieved A LOT.

Proclaiming him GOAT, however, is not clever. There shouldn't be GOAT. It is not fair to past greats who achieved as much in different conditions.
It is also not fair that you spread your hatred towards Federer everywhere on the boards. It is disappointing and disturbing, because ppl here seem to like you.

 

[rk_sports]

To all of those saying that Federer should retire in order not to diminish his heritage:
....
Like Federer today, Laver in his thirties did a great service to the tennis community by continuing to present a great style of play, even if the results weren't favorable to him.
....
New generations of players need Federer just for the visual gratification and showcasing of a great style of play (yes: S-Volleying, even though less than Sampras; yes: 1HBH; yes: smaller-head raquets), just as yesteryear's generations needed Laver to stay around.

We need models and Federer is the best model against the uniformity that traps the current game. He's the model of great physical and mental talent, of great and easy shotmaking, against the great plodding.

We need him because he is the star that was and still is both extremely spectacular and light-moving and deadly efficient while at it.

Well said mate!

Hopefully Fed keep playing and not take the Borg route.

I know there are rival fans who are not so much into Fed and most of those reasons are not because they don't like his tennis style, but purely non-technical so to say (too many wins, arrogant, etc, etc)

P.S. The buzz at the tournament when Fed is going to practice or playing is just amazing (basing this on my personal observation at Indian Wells and hearing commentators talk about it at other torunaments)

 

[ksbh]

You aren't off the mark Bill. I do engage in quite a bit of Federer bashing. Nothing personal though, it's all in good fun. But my apologies anyways, I certainly need to tone it down ... and I will

It is also not fair that you spread your hatred towards Federer everywhere on the boards. It is disappointing and disturbing, because ppl here seem to like you.

 

[Sentinel]

^ Whazzup mate ? You still see feedfools and fediots swimming around in your head Considering that Fed beat Rafa only in 2 slam finals, whereas Rafa beat Fed in 47, you have not much to feel bitter about !!!

 

[ksbh]

Please stop associating my moniker with terms such as fedfools and fediots. I've made a promise to Bill and I intend to keep it. I fed you when you were a hungry kid on the streets. Please respect that fact if not anything else.

^ Whazzup mate ? You still see feedfools and fediots swimming around in your head Considering that Fed beat Rafa only in 2 slam finals, whereas Rafa beat Fed in 47, you have not much to feel bitter about !!!

 

[ksbh]

ROFL X 7000, Slice!

There's something with Federer fans and the products of their procreation! Let me list for you-

1. Chris In Japan's then 6 year old daughter who could tell Federer had a smoother style!

2. Rhino's 5 year old (now 7) nephew who proclaimed that Federer was GOAT based on playing style!

Ladies and gentlemen, would you please welcome the latest addition to the club- Slice BH's youngest son!

What? You don't like the Spice Girls? Why The Face?

I agree with DjokerisBeast. Even my youngest son knows the Beatles and Federer are the greatest KNOWN to man. He may root for Rafa and jam to a Green Day or a Radiohead song, but like most of us...he knows who the GoATs are.

 

[sureshs]

So this Federer fanboyism is genetic? Then can we really blame them for it?

 

[slice bh compliment]

Yes, my appreciation for The Fed has nothing to do with my youngest son's:
shanktastic one handed backhand,
his penchant for headbands,
his unecessarily graceful carioca steps on sliced BH approaches,
his vegetarianism,
and his preference for the meatier girls at the school dance.
He also lists a Bush cd as a guilty pleasure and did a mash-up of a No Doubt and a Bush song.

Hmmmm.... not sure where he gets it. It must be genetic.

I'm of course making most of that up....but I've got to mention how absolutely proud a fellow dad I met was when he was identifying his son in a match [pretty high level of 10 and under tennis). He struck up a nice conversation with me. The guy had olive skin and curly dk-brown hair, and so did both kids. I asked which kid was his: the Rafa or the Federer? He smiled and proudly answered, "haha, The Roger" nodding toward the kid with the 26 inch junior version of the BLX Tour, the head-to-toe RF garb and the shanktastic one hander. Nice smile and a knowing glance, sharing the thought that all of us FEDophile Fathers would love for our sons to have half the game of the real RF.

EDIT:
Okay, offf the Federer thing....my comments on kids.....
Kids are really tapped into what's golden in the universe, from what I'm seeing (as a dad, as a former tennis pro/coach and as an IndianGuides chief. Kids 'get' good music until Disney Channel gets a hold of them.
They talk to God...until Disney Channel gets a hold of them.
They even rock on garage band until pre-teen girl culture enters their periphery.

 

[Sentinel]

^ *Tips hat to slice*
Best post of thread (after the first post).

 

[ksbh]

ROFL X 800!

So this Federer fanboyism is genetic? Then can we really blame them for it?

 

[ksbh]

ROFL squared! Great post! Sir Slice, you're off the chain here!

LOL!

Yes, my appreciation for The Fed has nothing to do with my youngest son's:
shanktastic one handed backhand,
his penchant for headbands,
his unecessarily graceful carioca steps on sliced BH approaches,
his vegetarianism,
and his preference for the meatier girls at the school dance.
He also lists a Bush cd as a guilty pleasure and did a mash-up of a No Doubt and a Bush song.

Hmmmm.... not sure where he gets it. It must be genetic.

I'm of course making most of that up....but I've got to mention how absolutely proud a fellow dad I met was when he was identifying his son in a match [pretty high level of 10 and under tennis). He struck up a nice conversation with me. The guy had olive skin and curly dk-brown hair, and so did both kids. I asked which kid was his: the Rafa or the Federer? He smiled and proudly answered, "haha, The Roger" nodding toward the kid with the 26 inch junior version of the BLX Tour, the head-to-toe RF garb and the shanktastic one hander. Nice smile and a knowing glance, sharing the thought that all of us FEDophile Fathers would love for our sons to have half the game of the real RF.

EDIT:
Okay, offf the Federer thing....my comments on kids.....
Kids are really tapped into what's golden in the universe, from what I'm seeing (as a dad, as a former tennis pro/coach and as an IndianGuides chief. Kids 'get' good music until Disney Channel gets a hold of them.
They talk to God...until Disney Channel gets a hold of them.
They even rock on garage band until pre-teen girl culture enters their periphery.