It works the same way with women, believe me.I see the WTA tour more interesting than the ATP is that I am more physically attracted to some of the competitors there. I am a straight alpha male who's been married for a couple decades now.
Sorry but the only reason I see the WTA tour more interesting than the ATP is that I am more physically attracted to some of the competitors there. I am a straight alpha male who's been married for a couple decades now.
You clearly know nothing about the WTA if you think there’s no excellent players. Educate yourself and watch tournaments, see Swiatek, watch Osaka, view Barty, enjoy Andreescu. These posts by you are embarrassing.In every sport the cream always rises to the top. Obviously, there is no cream in the WTA atm. People pay to see excellence not mediocre competition.
The WTA is in a weak era. The ATP's in a weaker era, and even the most hardened ATP fans know that it's a sea of hopefuls pathetically biding their time until Djokovic and Nadal have weakened enough. But the WTA is in a weak era, regardless. Osaka on hardcourt plays at around '00 Hingis' level- in other words, slightly above the beginning Kim Clijsters' level. That's roughly the equivalent of a slumping prime Serena.The WTA is definitely more exciting right now. The men’s French Open is already decided as said by many people here. How boring to know what will happen. It won’t be competitive like last years final, how boring was that? Djokovic v Nadal and it was still meh. Meanwhile there’s many front runners for the ladies French Open. There’s the #1 and champ in 2019, Ash Barty, there’s the unstoppable defending champ Swiatek. We have 2018 champ Simona Halep. Then we have players who we haven’t even seen much of on clay like 2019 USO champ Andreescu. Then you’ve got other multi slam champs like Muguruza, Osaka, Kvitova. Oh and let’s not forget Serena Williams...
The men’s draw will have what like 4 slam champs in the draw? One of whom is Cilic.... the WTA meanwhile is just stacked. Take a look at Madrid. Barty is playing Swiatek in the 3R(!)
That cream that is Djokovic and Nadal is long past its expiration date, and needs to be scraped off.In every sport the cream always rises to the top. Obviously, there is no cream in the WTA atm. People pay to see excellence not mediocre competition.
If you want to learn something, watch this.Both ATP and WTA are entertaining and have competitive matches, simply enjoy for what it is and i am amazed that there is always something new to be learned.
I leave the high level judging to the experts of this forum.
I enjoy WTA more for the fact that my tennis ability aligns more with how the women hit the ball more than the men. I kinda think I could actually rally reasonably well with WTA players more than ATP players. But enjoy watching all levels of tennis so not really a big deal to me.
That's a good description. I don't care much for his antics, but you gotta admit he's an insanely good looking dude.I loved it when someone on ttw said “Zverev is pretty in a boring kind of way.”
It works the same way with women, believe me.
That's a good description. I don't care much for his antics, but you gotta admit he's an insanely good looking dude.
Did you watch the video? The whole premise of Aracic’s point is that the WTA has no outstanding players like the Big 3 who dominate the men’s tour.You clearly know nothing about the WTA if you think there’s no excellent players. Educate yourself and watch tournaments, see Swiatek, watch Osaka, view Barty, enjoy Andreescu. These posts by you are embarrassing.
No chance. But if he or anyone else enjoys WTA more, then more power to them. It is subjective.
For me even with the current crop of players on the ATP, saying WTA is better is an insult to them. I'm still watching ATP, on WTA barring a slam final, I am only really checking in on Serena in each slam and Halep. That's it for me personally.
From time to time I watch several WTA players, like Kvitova, Venus and more recently Swiatek, but there are so many off putting things on the WTA circuit, that I can't get myself to watch it consistently.
The fact that these players often cannot hold a service game is a deal breaker for me. It is literally like they are going by a script where they take turns to out choke the other. No mental fortitude of any serious quality. Rollercoasters are fine, but out choking rollercoasters are not.
Add to that the cattiness, the screeching, the constant on court coaching (I know it is allowed, it doesn't mean that I like it), and more recently, the politics, and it becomes a very unappealing product for me.
That’s not what you said. You saidDid you watch the video? The whole premise of Aracic’s point is that the WTA has no outstanding players like the Big 3 who dominate the men’s tour.
In other words, in his opinion, the Big 3 are too good for the rest of the tour which is not the case with the women so it’s more competitive.
“There is no cream in the WTA” and then compared it to mediocre competition.In every sport the cream always rises to the top. Obviously, there is no cream in the WTA atm. People pay to see excellence not mediocre competition.
Just because you aren’t watching the WTA doesn’t mean others aren’t. Bizarre statement to post. If you want to enjoy Hurkacz v Sinner for a 1000 title over Barty v Andreescu for the same title then go right ahead. One is a battle between slam champs and top 10 players and the the other was 2 players outside the top 25.No chance. But if he or anyone else enjoys WTA more, then more power to them. It is subjective.
For me even with the current crop of players on the ATP, saying WTA is better is an insult to them. I'm still watching ATP, on WTA barring a slam final, I am only really checking in on Serena in each slam and Halep. That's it for me personally.
If there is cream in the WTA, it will rise to the top if it doesn't then there is no cream. Simple.That’s not what you said. You said
“There is no cream in the WTA” and then compared it to mediocre competition.
I’d say a 4x slam champ along with many other threats at this French Open makes for juicy competition, not mediocre. Yes there’s no dominant force like Nadal who makes the men’s tour look like a joke on clay. Instead we get competitive matchups of women many of whom could win the title.
Just because you aren’t watching the WTA doesn’t mean others aren’t. Bizarre statement to post. If you want to enjoy Hurkacz v Sinner for a 1000 title over Barty v Andreescu for the same title then go right ahead. One is a battle between slam champs and top 10 players and the the other was 2 players outside the top 25.
Don't get so defensive. I said if people enjoy it then more power to them, it is subjective. That is not a bizarre statement. If you like it, happy for you.
I personally don't like it anymore, maybe that will change in the future, but I don't find the players to be appealing, overall bland product. Nothing really interesting that makes me want to commit time to it right now.
Same. Such a fall from where it used to be. There was always something lit going on back in the day, now it's just a bunch of random girls all hitting the same kind of balls, getting basically everything back, and choking/getting broken.
This was the WTA lol
Yes, but even before this. I have followed WTA for a very long time. I saw the whole Graf era, saw Martina, saw peak Seles, peak Sanchez Vicario, the rise of Hingis, the debut of the Williams sisters, the trials and tribulations of Capriati, the power of Davenport, the influx of the Russians, the impactful Belgians....the last few years is the first time I simply lost interest in the WTA. It wasn't a conscious decision that I made one day to just stop watching, I was steadily just losing interest in the product, the players don't appeal to me, I follow Halep a little and keep my eye on Serena in each slam, but that is it. I know when I do begin to one day start watching again, it will happen without me noticing it at first. It's kind of sad for me that I simply don't care about a product that I cared and followed for so many years, but would rather follow other sports or interests in my spare time now.
I knew you'd say that bc I remember your viewing history I can only be jealous, mom got me into tennis in 2001 when the Venus/Serena show started, but I was only watching casually and just big finals. Then Roddick got me into it a bit more in 03, then Nadal in 06. Id say 07 was the first year where I was really watching everything year round even though I was watching a lot of WTA in 05 and a lot of ATP in 06. I knew Agassi was a big name and always knew he was a big deal, so the whole cortisone story and last tourney, how far can he go thing really is when I got heavy into ATP along w Nadal being epic that year too.
Well, it was my mom who got me into tennis also. It was always on in the house when I was a kid, so I had many memories of watching it before I could even understand it and saw many of the players actually during their primes and peaks. Until recently, I watched both ATP and WTA equalling, followed both closely, players were so much more appealing, their rivalries, styles, charisma, court presence, champions mentality etc. I don't see that anymore, the tour looks like a lot of cookie cutter clones, with a few being a little better, like I enjoy Osaka's effortless power when she actually tries....
Yes and amazing as a run like Swiatek's last year at the FO was (she played ridiculous tennis) it's just the story of the WTA the last few years. You pick a name from the draw, they win a slam out of nowhere, and may never do anything again. (A la Ostapenko).
"Between 2016 and 2019, Ostapenko held remarkable distinction of being the only player in recorded tennis history to have won a Grand Slam title (2017 French Open), and lost in the first round the three other times she has competed at that same tournament (2016 to Naomi Osaka, 2018 to Kateryna Kozlova, and 2019 to Victoria Azarenka). This no longer applied from 2020, as she advanced to the second round after beating Madison Brengle. " and yeah besides that I want personalities back. Even the Jankovics and Safinas were fun to watch.
No. The females not only come to see the fine look of the male horses but also the speed of their balls; and that is what they marvel about.It works the same way with women, believe me.
Except unlike in the F1, where limitations on overtaking would destroy the core of the sport, the rankings in the ATP aren't all that important for day-to-day competitionIt is like comparing an F2 race and an F1 race with limitations on overtaking.
The first will get you all inquisitive about how much overtaking can happen in a single race with similar setup, while the second will expose you to the irrelevance of "racing" because the rules have been altered to favour some teams over others.
It all depends what the criterion for interesting is. Some people think domination at the top is a good thing and others this it isn't. It wasn't that long ago when Henin, Serena, Venus and Clijsters dominated women's tennis.The WTA has been more interesting than the ATP for many years--the high number of majors winners (including many who won more than one) surpasses the ATP, where in the past decade, the men's side has been dominated by three men against the successive worst generation in the sport's history. These so-called "contenders"--long overhyped--have only succeeded in showing up, rolling over and getting a paycheck for their efforts. If not for Thiem getting lucky in 2020 because Djokovic was the recipient of a wrongheaded disqualification, this "Next Generation" would be at 100% capacity on the Can't Win a Major boat.
The WTA has players who know that--surprise, surprise--its their job to take out the competition no matter who it is, and win majors. Yes, sooo shocking.
Here's the list of majors winners (not named Serena) since 2010:
Schiavone: FO - 2010
Clijsters: USO 2010 & AO 2011
Li Na: FO 2011 & AO 2014
Kvitova: Wimbledon 2011 & 2014
Stosur: USO 2011
Sharapova: FO 2012 & FO 2014
Azarenka: AO 2012 & 2013
Bartoli: Wimbledon 2013
Pennetta: USO 2015
Kerber: AO 2016, USO 2016 & Wimbledon 2018
Muguruza: FO 2016 & Wimbledon 2017
Ostapenko: FO 2017
Stephens: USO 2017
Wozniacki: AO 2018
Halep: FO 2018
Osaka: USO 2018, 2020 & AO 2019 and 2021
Barty: FO 2019
Halep: FO 2018 & Wimbledon 2019
Andreescu: 2019 USO
Kenin: AO 2020
The ATP pales in comparison to this depth and strength of the field.