Why Thiem Can't Lose

Meles

Meles

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The standard thinking around Big3 troll land appears to be since Fed and Nole beat Nadal off clay, but can't beat him at RG that this must be the case for all players. David Ferrer - check, but his game was more of a hybrid clay/hard game. But Thiem is a pure clay court specialist game. Given Thiem’s similarity to Nadal we have these scenarios to explain Nadals's new troubles with Thiem:
1. Thiem has done a superior job adapting his game to hard courts and therefore is better on hard then the 2017/19 US Open champion.
2. Thiem was very close to Nadal as we saw at the 2018 US Open, but the odd circumstances of 2019 RG prevented him from having a close match with Nadal. Based on their 2020 Auz Open QF Thiem will beat Nadal in 2020 RG or come incredibly close.
3. Thiem like Nadal with his 2012 grass decline has not been good on grass. Now Nadal has a better serve game and is a threat on grass once again. Thiem with His hard court success now appears a natural to follow Nadal with much more grass success. Thiem’s return at the US Open won him 43% of points which is exceptionally high and higher than Nadal’s 2019 campaign. If Thiem has adapted to off clay play better then he exceeds Nadal’s recent Wimbledon exploits. (I like Tim’s chances more vs Fed rather than Nole)
4. Thiem’s Indoor Hard Court game is clearly better than Nadal.;)

From the above either Tim is going to win RG or come darn close this year going down to a Djokodal gang tackle. Or he’s going to be a huge continued threat at all the hard-core events and Wimbledon. Is there any other way to see it?:eek: Pick your poison; Tim is either better than then Nadal everywhere or he’s just better than Nadal on clay.;)
@Yugram inspired post
 
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Meles said:
I’m having delusions of grandeur after this logic bomb.:cool: Tim could be a strong contender in the next five slams and feel like a fourth member of the big four.o_O
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I hope so.

Probably not all of the next five Slams, though, because he's yet to make any substantial improvement on grass. Liking his development on HCs, though. I wonder how much damage he could do next AO.

Ok, I noticed you finished your OP, but a lot of the grass bit is just speculation.
 
One thing I missed from this forum was Meles' posts.:p
Meles said:
1. Thiem has done a superior job adapting his game to hard courts and therefore is better on hard then the 2017/19 US Open champion.
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This is full credit to Nico Massú, who gave Domi the extra confidence to finally cross the line, who seems to streamlined his calendar and now Tim looks ready to peak at the big events.
 
Third Serve said:
I hope so.

Probably not all of the next five Slams, though, because he's yet to make any substantial improvement on grass. Liking his development on HCs, though. I wonder how much damage he could do next AO.

Ok, I noticed you finished your OP, but a lot of the grass bit is just speculation.
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Well I never thought he do well at the Australian open or world tour finals but there he was in the last year.:p Given his return prowess at the U.S. Open I just see no reason that he cannot compete just as well or even better than Nadal at Wimbledon.
 
Fedeonic said:
One thing I missed from this forum was Meles' posts.:p

This is full credit to Nico Massú, who gave Domi the extra confidence to finally cross the line, who seems to streamlined his calendar and now Tim looks ready to peak at the big events.
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1000% Vampiro who all Tim fans should worship now. I’m even hearing detail discussions by experts referencing what Massu did with Thiem training at Wimbledon last year and having it bear fruit on all the hardcourt events. With his current hardcourt prowess he could come out of nowhere at Wimbledon 2021.:eek:
 
@Meles

Evidently the Dominic(an) Republic has recently revised its flag. :oops:

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Meles said:
1000% Vampiro who all Tim fans should worship now. I’m even hearing detail discussions by experts referencing what Massu did with Thiem training at Wimbledon last year and having it bear fruit on all the hardcourt events. With his current hardcourt prowess he could come out of nowhere at Wimbledon 2021.:eek:
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All Chileans worship Massú, and now we're embracing Tim just for him.:)
I don't know too much about the technical details about their training, but I for sure believe that Nico changed Thiem's mentality, now he doesn't give up when being destroyed, has peaked in the last 3 big tournaments played, his 2 big titles were comebacks, actually.

If you have some info about what kind of training Vampiro did to Dominico, I'd appreciate it a lot.
 
Meles said:
Nice. This is no dictatorship but a haven for free thinkers.
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Sure, the paradise half of the island may be resort-heavy.

But they also recognize the value of a heavy running forehand down the line.
 
Meles said:
@bbasher OP is done. Disgust this treatise sycophants. ;)
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Must believe in Tim. No other player has made all grand slam finals in 2020, not even A. Zverev! Let's see if Rafa can handle a newly energized PCB before we talk about this any further. Sorry, still in USO bubble euphoria, believing in the new order.
 
Fedeonic said:
All Chileans worship Massú, and now we're embracing Tim just for him.:)
I don't know too much about the technical details about their training, but I for sure believe that Nico changed Thiem's mentality, now he doesn't give up when being destroyed, has peaked in the last 3 big tournaments played, his 2 big titles were comebacks, actually.

If you have some info about what kind of training Vampiro did to Dominico, I'd appreciate it a lot.
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I saw a reference to it from youtuber Gil gross and I recall seeing a video around Wimbledon 2019.... Wow gross actually filmed this:
yep that is the root of all evil if you’re a big3 sycophant; Vampiro:eek::happydevil: You should enjoy this video tremendously. Lets hope Thiem comes to play in Chile this year.
 
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I saw a reference to it from youtuber Gil gross and I recall seeing a video around Wimbledon 2019.... Wow gross actually filmed this:
yep that is the root of all evil if you’re a big3 sycophant; Vampiro:eek::happydevil: You should enjoy this video tremendously. Lets hope Thiem comes to play in Chile this year.
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That was some pretty specific training from Nico, some of the points here were put in play during the US Open, approaching with the DTL forehand, slicing the backhand to neutralize the point, trying to be closer to the baseline when returning. Domi sliced Med to death, and he sure had good results in the 5th against Zed.

And yes, If Tim comes to Santiago, I'll go to see him, now that I earn my own bucks. And no, I'm not a Big 3 sycophant, just a Fed sycophant. :p
 
Fedeonic said:
That was some pretty specific training from Nico, some of the points here were put in play during the US Open, approaching with the DTL forehand, slicing the backhand to neutralize the point, trying to be closer to the baseline when returning. Domi sliced Med to death, and he sure had good results in the 5th against Zed.

And yes, If Tim comes to Santiago, I'll go to see him, now that I earn my own bucks. And no, I'm not a Big 3 sycophant, just a Fed sycophant. :p
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Haha yes my sycophant label really was not for TTW, but for comments on the above gill gross lol. Mods can’t ban words that are part of language.;) this is an unusual time for me because I like to study statistics to back up what I’m doing but of course with the current situation we really have no data right now. I’m shocked at how good Tim’s return stats are from the US open. Oh and gill really like massu and his coaching. Thank you for asking for the source because it never hit home with me just how important this video could be.
 
Interesting.
I think no male Austrian tennis male player has reached the quarterfinals of Wimbledon in the Open Era.
Meles, what do you expect for Thiem on grass in the next few years?
:unsure:
 
On HC, Nadal gets into slugfests with Thiem, and the younger, stronger, faster player now is Thiem. So he'll win most of the time, as at '20 AO!

Djokovic hasn't played slugfest tennis in a long time. Tennis to him is more of a tactical match!
 
Meles said:
The standard thinking around Big3 troll land appears to be since Fed and Nole beat Nadal off clay, but can't beat him at RG that this must be the case for all players. David Ferrer - check, but his game was more of a hybrid clay/hard game. But Thiem is a pure clay court specialist game. Given Thiem’s similarity to Nadal we have these scenarios to explain Nadals's new troubles with Thiem:
1. Thiem has done a superior job adapting his game to hard courts and therefore is better on hard then the 2017/19 US Open champion.
2. Thiem was very close to Nadal as we saw at the 2018 US Open, but the odd circumstances of 2019 RG prevented him from having a close match with Nadal. Based on their 2020 Auz Open QF Thiem will beat Nadal in 2020 RG or come incredibly close.
3. Thiem like Nadal with his 2012 grass decline has not been good on grass. Now Nadal has a better serve game and is a threat on grass once again. Thiem with His hard court success now appears a natural to follow Nadal with much more grass success. Thiem’s return at the US Open won him 43% of points which is exceptionally high and higher than Nadal’s 2019 campaign. If Thiem has adapted to off clay play better then he exceeds Nadal’s recent Wimbledon exploits. (I like Tim’s chances more vs Fed rather than Nole)
4. Thiem’s Indoor Hard Court game is clearly better than Nadal.;)

From the above either Tim is going to win RG or come darn close this year going down to a Djokodal gang tackle. Or he’s going to be a huge continued threat at all the hard-core events and Wimbledon. Is there any other way to see it?:eek: Pick your poison; Tim is either better than then Nadal everywhere or he’s just better than Nadal on clay.;)
@Yugram inspired post
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I didn’t understand what your point was or how am I connected to this, but I know for sure that Fluknic isn’t beating Nadal in BO5 anywhere unless he flukes on all the important points alike AO 2020, but this doesn’t depend on Nadal or Fluknic at all.
 
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I guess Meles is trying to say that if Thiem losses to Nadal at RG this year this somehow proves that Thiem is better than Nadal on clay, ROFL
 
Meles said:
The standard thinking around Big3 troll land appears to be since Fed and Nole beat Nadal off clay, but can't beat him at RG that this must be the case for all players. David Ferrer - check, but his game was more of a hybrid clay/hard game. But Thiem is a pure clay court specialist game. Given Thiem’s similarity to Nadal we have these scenarios to explain Nadals's new troubles with Thiem:
1. Thiem has done a superior job adapting his game to hard courts and therefore is better on hard then the 2017/19 US Open champion.
2. Thiem was very close to Nadal as we saw at the 2018 US Open, but the odd circumstances of 2019 RG prevented him from having a close match with Nadal. Based on their 2020 Auz Open QF Thiem will beat Nadal in 2020 RG or come incredibly close.
3. Thiem like Nadal with his 2012 grass decline has not been good on grass. Now Nadal has a better serve game and is a threat on grass once again. Thiem with His hard court success now appears a natural to follow Nadal with much more grass success. Thiem’s return at the US Open won him 43% of points which is exceptionally high and higher than Nadal’s 2019 campaign. If Thiem has adapted to off clay play better then he exceeds Nadal’s recent Wimbledon exploits. (I like Tim’s chances more vs Fed rather than Nole)
4. Thiem’s Indoor Hard Court game is clearly better than Nadal.;)

From the above either Tim is going to win RG or come darn close this year going down to a Djokodal gang tackle. Or he’s going to be a huge continued threat at all the hard-core events and Wimbledon. Is there any other way to see it?:eek: Pick your poison; Tim is either better than then Nadal everywhere or he’s just better than Nadal on clay.;)
@Yugram inspired post
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Because he beat Zverev at USO, once btw, he is some how better than Nadal on hard? You are a super fan holy smokes.
 
I like everything I see about Thiem:

The intensity of Rafa. Every shot is his last.

The artistry of Fed from the baseline. Love the OHBH and how often he’s off the ground when he launches bombs.

And - in terms of personality- even more of the calmness and humility of the best of both.

I really do hope he starts to collect the big trophies.

Tennis needs new blood at the top - and he does the sport justice w his game and his attitude.
 
Meles said:
I’m having delusions of grandeur after this logic bomb.:cool: Tim could be a strong contender in the next five slams and feel like a fourth member of the big four.o_O
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Too late for membership in that club.

Thiem will do well going forward. I hope he wins AO if Fed cant, but everything points to an early exit or a poor SF or Final showing from Thiem at Rg.
 
TennisManiac said:
I disagree with that one. He'll probably never win Wimbledon.
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I would've agreed until this year. Simply players with Tim's hard court success should do well at Wimbledon. I expect him to be on par with what old Nadal has done the last few years and that is plenty dangerous.;)
 
Meles said:
I would've agreed until this year. Simply players with Tim's hard court success should do well at Wimbledon. I expect him to be on par with what old Nadal has done the last few years and that is plenty dangerous.;)
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He should do well on grass. He just needs to up his serve a bit and work on his grass movement. Considering his best results come on HC, he will eventually start to make WC runs.
 
Yugram said:
I didn’t understand what your point was or how am I connected to this, but I know for sure that Fluknic isn’t beating Nadal in BO5 anywhere unless he flukes on all the important points alike AO 2020, but this doesn’t depend on Nadal or Fluknic at all.
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You are not standing on quicksand decrying the tiebreaker lottery. But at the same time we have the example of Steve Johnson versus John Isner and perhaps you're aware that Johnson has owned Isner in tiebreaks lately. You are on shaky ground. :sneaky:
 
Phoenix1983 said:
I'd be surprised if Thiem ever won Wimbledon.

All the other slams should be his however (RG possibly not quite yet).
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weakera said:
Thiem needs to significantly improve his slice and net game to win Wimbledon.
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Did you watch Tim versus mad weed at the U.S. Open?:unsure: he destroyed Medvedev with a slice. I would've agreed with you even just a few days ago but that is what this thread is about. Tim is making progress in the areas that will set him up for Wimbledon success and he's got nine more months to get there.o_O
 
SinneGOAT said:
Because he beat Zverev at USO, once btw, he is some how better than Nadal on hard? You are a super fan holy smokes.
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This would still apply even if Tim had choked the entire final away in straight sets. Vampiro is bringing it all to fruition:
Everything they worked on in this video is having success.
 
Meles said:
Did you watch Tim versus mad weed at the U.S. Open?:unsure: he destroyed Medvedev with a slice. I would've agreed with you even just a few days ago but that is what this thread is about. Tim is making progress in the areas that will set him up for Wimbledon success and he's got nine more months to get there.o_O
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Zverev, Medvedev, and Tsitsipas will be fighting for grass supremacy soon. Very soon.
Thiem maybe not...
 
As an unbiased observer I say Thiem should be in Nadal’s half at RG so he has a chance to prove himself early. Go champ!
 
Meles said:
The standard thinking around Big3 troll land appears to be since Fed and Nole beat Nadal off clay, but can't beat him at RG that this must be the case for all players. David Ferrer - check, but his game was more of a hybrid clay/hard game. But Thiem is a pure clay court specialist game. Given Thiem’s similarity to Nadal we have these scenarios to explain Nadals's new troubles with Thiem:
1. Thiem has done a superior job adapting his game to hard courts and therefore is better on hard then the 2017/19 US Open champion.
2. Thiem was very close to Nadal as we saw at the 2018 US Open, but the odd circumstances of 2019 RG prevented him from having a close match with Nadal. Based on their 2020 Auz Open QF Thiem will beat Nadal in 2020 RG or come incredibly close.
3. Thiem like Nadal with his 2012 grass decline has not been good on grass. Now Nadal has a better serve game and is a threat on grass once again. Thiem with His hard court success now appears a natural to follow Nadal with much more grass success. Thiem’s return at the US Open won him 43% of points which is exceptionally high and higher than Nadal’s 2019 campaign. If Thiem has adapted to off clay play better then he exceeds Nadal’s recent Wimbledon exploits. (I like Tim’s chances more vs Fed rather than Nole)
4. Thiem’s Indoor Hard Court game is clearly better than Nadal.;)

From the above either Tim is going to win RG or come darn close this year going down to a Djokodal gang tackle. Or he’s going to be a huge continued threat at all the hard-core events and Wimbledon. Is there any other way to see it?:eek: Pick your poison; Tim is either better than then Nadal everywhere or he’s just better than Nadal on clay.;)
@Yugram inspired post
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He is a hard court specialist with no shot of beating Rafa on clay.

Needs to focus on AO.
 
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