Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by AJK1, Jun 4, 2007.
I heard she was booed a lot by the crowd after her match with Schynder? What happened?
She did a couple of things during the match...
I think the worst was when Patty was serving. In the middle of the game Sharapova took her time and walked over to her chair and got a new racket and came back. The crowd really got into it then.
The upmire gave her a meaningless time violation warning. I think Patty won the point afterwards, then went on to lose the game?
There was also a point where Patty put up her hand signaling to Sharapova that she was not ready for Sharapova to serve. She served, hit an ace (Patty didn't flinch), then the umprire awarded the point to Sharapova.
Patty was serving at 40-15, and Sharapova froze her when she got the new racquet. Sharapova went on to break.
This was pretty Busch league stuff from Sharapova, making it harder and harder to like her as a player.
she is a shrieking idiot who will use gamesmanship to win at all costs
OMG, most atp and wta players do the same thing at the same moment in their matches. Did you ever think that a string was starting to fray and she noticed it at that point and make a wise decision to change frames? Even if it was gamesmanship, almost everyone does it and worse than that. I'm not say that is the right way to conduct oneself but MS shouldn't be singled out and bashed for that.
In any case, it was the most interesting and dramatic match of the tournament.
She's not a very good sport. I think and especially at that level, you should win and lose fairly and gracefully.
Thats not what happened. She put her hand up because she heard someone yell AFTER Sharapova had already hit her serve.
Well, I totally agree with your statement but it didn't seem to me that sharapova even saw schnyder put her hand up because patty gestured just as maria was striking the ball so her eyes were focused on the ball. For all she knew patty could have been aced and then decided to claim she wasn't ready. That happened to me a couple of times. I hit a clean ace while my opponent was in his ready stance looking at me and then claimed he wasn't ready! Don't misunderstand me, I believe schnyder was not ready when I watch the match on my dvr but clearly maria is not to blame for this incident at all.
Yeah. Schnyder thought she had the ability to call a let. Bad move.
I remember differently though, I could be wrong but I thought someone yelled BEFORE Sharapova hit the serve. That's why McEnore was saying after reviewing the replay he wished Schynder wins the game so the call would not be a deciding point for the match.
Also, the commentators seem to imply that she can not replace the racquet if it appears to be allright especially at the end of the match, guess no rule prohibiting it, all sporty matters. And it probably why she was booed.
They replayed it and the guy yelled before the serve, and Schnyder put her hand up before Maria made contact with the ball (assuming Maria shreiks as she's swinging, not AFTER making contact).
No, 35 ft, I recorded the match and the yell happened just as sharapova struck the ball and then patty reacted to the yell and raised her hand. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbLx2SICth8
I really think that it is unfortunate for her that the yell happened at that moment. Of course, the class of the tennis crowd has been declining over the last several years. It will soon be as base as NFL and boxing.
If that's what happened, then I don't really feel much sympathy for Schnyder there. Just return the ball. Someone calling out during Sharapova's serve could mess Sharapova up, but how could it impact the returner?
Actually, you do have a point in that schnyder should have returned the ball. Lets are usually not called when someone yells out loud at such moments and I have witnessed many such occasions at the US open. The point is played and then the chair ump admonishes the crowd but a let is not played.
There's no sound on that.
He yells before her shriek/contact with the ball. Schnyder's hand is going up as she swings.
I don't think it's a totally inexcusable call, it's not like he had the benefit of instant replay, but I feel like Patty held her hand up in a reasonable time frame.
No, the video clip clearly shows patty raising her hand after maria makes contact with the ball. There is no way she raises her hand before the racquet makes contact. There doesn't need to be sound for one to see that your argument of patty raising the hand before she struck the serve is wrong. The video is absolute proof. How can you even dispute it. The fact is right in front of your eyes and everyone else's thanks to my post.
I disagree - Sharapova is already into her service motion. To me, that's too late. I wouldn't be able to see someone put the hand up after I've started the swing. Isn't the hand up a signal to the server to say that you aren't ready? Once they've started the swing, I think it's too late.
You're right. My bad. But I've seen players get a let by holding up their hands in the same way.
I don't think that's the rule though. The returner putting their hand up is all about their own readiness, it doesn't have anything to do with where the server is in terms of their motion. If you think about it, if the rules operated in the way you suggest, all a server has to do is pretend they don't notice the returner and just serve whenever they feel like it.
Bottom line: I don't think it was a terrible call, but it could have justifiably gone Patty's way. It wasn't a tough serve to return.
Maybe fitzroy. I personally think it is too late but I don't know for sure what the rules state. In any case maria makes contact with the ball and then patty raises her hand. Patty doesn't raise her hand before maria makes contact with that ball and that is clear.
35 ft. I am relieved to hear that. Thanks. I was getting a little worried there for a moment. My last post to fitz has been edited accordingly.
IMO, it was a number of things. The French fans are rude sometimes, and that was part of it. Patty is the under dog and plays with more flair, has a more aesthetically pleasing game, which I'm sure the French fans appreciate. Most of what Sharapova was doing was more or less within the rules even her intentionally going over the allowed time between points in order to change her racket to disrupt Patty's momentum. There was definitely some gamesmanship going on, but most of it was Sharapova being confident and demonstrative, which can be obnoxious to some, but admirable to others and definitely within the rules. It was a gutsy win. Patty choked a bit, but Maria really played some gutsy tennis on match points.
Huh? I missed it, what were you worried about?
...that you might be disputing the facts which would make you unreasonable
I am glad that is not the case.
seriously, these umpires are useless. We should just use the hawkeye to call the lines.
I see this point, but in that case I think that's where the umpire comes in.
I just look at it like this: if I'm playing someone, and I go into my motion, and then after the serve lands they say they had put their hand up after I started, I'm going to be a little skeptical. That's what I meant by too late. To me it's too late if the server can't be expected to reasonably halt the motion after the hand goes up.
I admit though that I don't have any idea what the real rule is.
at 3 sec the ball was struck but patty's hand was raised at about 4 sec..so clearly the ball was struck before she raised her hand...no wrong doing for sharapova there...patty should have returned the ball..and besides..it was only a yell of an audience...maria's shrieking is more annoying than that yet she can stand it for the entire match...
^ Maria's shrieking is expected. A guy yelling during the ball toss isn't. If Maria had served a fault, she would have definitely asked for another serve and gotten it.
Actually, if I remember correctly she changed her racquet I THINK 3 games before changing it again. It didn't end at that. Server's pace right? She's returning, she WALKS to her chair, WALKS back, and even has the time to have her back to Patty and look at her strings for a good 3 seconds. And from what I remember and noticed, Maria seemed to only change her racquet when there was a threat of her losing the game (i.e. Patty was up love-30 on Maria's serve then again at 40-15 Patty's serve). I am in no way a Maria basher, I'm just being neutral and giving my feedback on what I noticed. I'm actually somewhat of a fan of Maria. And if anything Maria shouldn't get crap for her grunts when Serena and Venus do it sooo much more.
P.S. People talk about Maria giving cold stares and whatnot. Serena yells "COME ON!" at the opponents mistakes WHILE staring at her opponent. Watch her match against Krajicek.
if u listen even closer, u can hear patty letting one go shortly after raising her hand.
You so naive. At that level players are determined to win by any mean. All of them are; and Sharapova is not exception
It has nothing to do with Schyner's's game at all.She is Swiss,not French and if they see somebody doing something wrong;they will boo your arse.
Sharapova went to change her stick when Schnyder was up 40-15 and was suppose to serve for the match,Sharapova broke right back.
Then the whole hand thing when the arsehole yelled and the umpire awarding Sharapova the point got them going.
talk about what you know,not what you don't.
I think it was a bad call by the umpire not to play a let but I think what the crowd didn't like about what Sharapova did was that when Schnyder was talking to the umpire about it Sharapova went straight to where she would serve in the Ad court and stood there as if to say "My point, let's get on with it". Had she offered a let she would have got a huge cheer and they may have forgiven her blatant racquet-changing gamesmanship at the end.
What really freaks me out about Sharapova is that she is using well planned tricks to distract her opponent in key moments. In her recent match with Patty she is down 15-40 on her serve i think in the 3rd set. She is playing the next point in complete silence, Patty makes an unforced error on the 3rd stroke. Next point she screams on the first serve like mad. She is the most unfair player i have seen on the pro-tour.
Give me a break! You know that they were rooting for anyone against Sharapova. They and a lot of other people really despise Maria because she is the "whole" package. I'm not saying I'm a Maria fanatic but come on, man. Why do you think most movies these days are about the underdog? It's what "everyone" can relate to! Only a handful of people can relate to being superior in every aspect. Yes, Maria did change her racquet in a suspicious time but a LOT of people do that. Heck, in a match I was playing against a guy who was taking the place of someone in my division did this. (The match doesn't count against or for him in any way.) I didn't really question it because maybe his strings were fraying or whatever but it did make me a little mad. Also, if they did care about gamesmanship, the guy wouldn't have yelled out at that moment which was clearly an attempt to mess with Maria's concentration. Schnyder was being nice, I believe, by raising her hand but at the same time, the ball was in and Maria was not affected so it looked much more conspicuous. Please relax, tintin.
Sharapova sucks! She's an anathema to me! I don't like her style. I don't like her personality!
The crowd booed Sharapova because she uses every excuse to break up another players game. She left the court at 40-15 on Patti's serve to change her racket when the string was not broken. Against the rules.
She intentionally served when Patti's hand was up. Regardless of the scream from the crowd, when a player holds their hand up it means they're not ready.
She hit Patti with the ball when Patti stopped play to check an out ball.
She hit Serena when she was getting beat to death at the AO.
She turned her back on Golovin when the latter twisted her ankle and was in agony.
She took magic potions to beat Henin from a brown bottle with smoke coming out of it during the match.
Her camp has cheated and been caught on tape numerous times.
She's crass. That she has fans is mind boggling!
I agree with you for the most part. She's very bush league when it comes to certain plays. However, everyone has done something that has been questionable and we all know it. I am in no way defending this type of behavior. I hate it! But don't single people out as if they are the only ones that try this type of thing when they are down. I have watched several matches where respectable players call "injury" timeouts or bathroom breaks to break up the momentum their opponent has. Yes, it is cheap and yes, it does work. Now, put yourself in her situation with the Schnyder's hand. First of all, you go back and watch the youtube video and you can clearly see that she didn't put her hand up until after Maria had hit the serve. There is no disputing this. Do I think Schnyder was trying to pull a fast one? No. I really and truly think she was trying to give Maria another shot at serving because it was unfair for that guy to do that at that time. There is no way on God's green Earth that Maria could have known that Schnyder's hand was up; even if her hand went up in the same split-second the Frenchman shouted. The ball was on its way up! Also, if you'll remember, and I'm not sure there is any video on this but, in 2003, the last time Henin and Serena faced off in the French, Henin put her hand up right as Serena was about to serve and Serena saw it at the last second and cut her swing down but still hit the ball into the net and the umpire gave her a fault! Did Henin say anything to the umpire and ask him to please give her a 'let'? Heck no! She is in this to win it and she is going to do whatever it takes to win! Do people come out and chastise her for it and call her crass? No. The French love her but hate Sharapova! This is such a double standard and I don't even pull for Sharapova! I would much rather see Serena blast somebody apart on the court.
this is nothing but a tennis board mate,nothing more;nothing less.If I find your comment utterly stupid,I will tell you that;what you make of it;is none of my damn business,one bit.I don't come here to scare anyone on this board.You have the right to disagree with me or to agree;either way it doesn't matter.
Keep tellin' yourself that. ;-)
Truth, check your facts before composing your silly lists. She had already served the ball when Peppermint's paw went up. Case closed. Intentionally schemntionally :roll: .
Second, magic potions or no, she still schooled Henin in the US Open finals.
Just like Henin will school her here at the French if Sharapova somehow claws her way past Ana--unlikely to say the least.
WHAT??? The last sentence in the ESPN.com article by Greg Garber has Serena saying, "...And especially living in the PUBIC eye like me, its not easy...". I wonder she wants to live in the 'pubic' eye...?
HAHAHAHAHAHA! ROFLMAO! HILARIOUS!!! Thanks Raftermania, that absolutely appealed to my totally juvenile sense of humor! HAHAHAHAHAHA! :-D Too funny...
Are you sure about that? I've never seen it happen, so I don't know. One would think that if the shout disturbed her, she could simply catch the toss, or even just let the ball drop without hitting it. I recall Gonzalez doing that once, and maybe Canas against Fed in Miami this year.
I've seen many players over the years ask for another serve when someone yells out & they almost never get it, even in Davis Cup. Most don't even ask because they know the chair won't give it to them. Can you name an example of it happening? I'm sure this is something that chairs are trained on(to say something like the chair said to Schnyder on Sunday, I can't do anything about it, etc, than make an announcement to the crowd-quiet in between serves, etc)
I recall somebody yelled out during Todd Martin's serve when he was down match point in the '99 US Open final vs Agassi(not enough time to catch the ball it was midswing), the players just ignored it(but Mac mentioned how distracting that must have been)
Players are allowed to catch a ball when they start serving, but once they hit it, it stands.
ha ha ha you ok there
No I can't, so I'll take your word for it.
WHAT? Give me ONE other example of that from someone who isn't a complete @$$.
Vaidisova did it during her quarterfinal match against Jankovic. Took more than 30 seconds, and no time violation warning. It was, however, on her own serve. Still--she did it.
You're only contesting the one? The last part of that said when a player holds their hand up it's like a timeout. School yourself! And if brown smoking bottles mean nothing to you, (which they're not supposed to drink from any bottle that isn't clear) then I see your point. It doesn't matter how you win, just that you win. Yeah, I like your style. NOT!
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