Why were Roger and Novak not able to get the career golden slam ?

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ND-13 said:
Nadal made sure he checked all the boxes at the premier events.

The other two missed it,
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14 bigest (1000+) tournaments in a regular calender year!

No1e vs rafa

Australian Open91
Roland Garros213
Wimbledon Championships62
US Open34
Indian Wells Masters53
Miami Open60
Monte-Carlo Masters211
Madrid Open/German Open35
Italian Open510
Canadian Open45
Cincinnati Masters21
Shanghai Masters/Madrid Open40/1
Paris Masters50
Year-End Championship50
61 - 56

Year-End Championship[edit]
Novak Djokovic won four ATP World Tour Finals in a row (2012, 2013, 2014 and 2015) and has won five total, while Nadal has not won the event. Nadal has reached the final twice, in 2010 and 2013. Djokovic has a 3–2 advantage over Nadal in the event and won their only meeting in the title match by 6–3, 6–4 in 2013. Djokovic is second all-time in total titles at the event (tied with Pete Sampras and Ivan Lendl), behind Roger Federer (6 titles).

ATP Masters[edit]
Djokovic and Nadal hold the joint record for the most Masters titles with 36 each. Nadal has won 26 on clay and 10 on hard courts. Djokovic has won 26 on hard courts and 10 on clay and is the only player to have won all 9 Masters tournaments, having done so twice. Nadal is missing two/three titles (Miami, Paris and Shanghai).
 
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MeatTornado said:
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Look at hairy dad :love:
 
Tennisfan339 said:
Will always be his biggest hole IMO. If I had to choose 1 hole for each Big3, this would be it for Nadal. I mean the 3 guys with the most slams besides him (Sampras, Federer and Djokovic) have all won it 5 or 6 times. Not 1, 2 or 3 but 5 times. Murray has 1 and now we have a bunch of players with 1... the "new top3" all have 1. In women's tennis (since WTF are played) most players with 5+ slams have won this event. Nadal is still at 0 despite 13 participations. He has lost most of his matches against his biggest rivals over there.

I think last year was his last chance and probably bigger chance. 6-3 5-4 in SF, he served for the match and would've been slightly favorite in a hypothetical final against Thiem (despite the RR loss).
WTF represent the best 8 players of the year and are considered as the 5th Major. You must beat the best players in the world if you want to win this. A player with 20 slams who participated 13 times should have at least 1 or 2.

Not winning Olympics is also a hole, but not even close to being the same. Tennis wasn't even an Olympics sport until 1988, therefore guys like Laver, Emerson, Borg never had a chance to ein. Then we have guys like Rosset, Mecir or Massu with 1 while plenty of multi slams champions have 0. Who even remembers Rosset or Mecir, seriously. Not winning Olympics is equivalent to Nadal not winning Miami or Federer not winning Rome.

Federer's biggest hole IMO is his poor number of Elite titles on clay in general. He only has 1 RG and never beat Nadal there. 0 Monte Carlo, 0 Rome and very few clay titles.
I guess if you had to find ONE hole for Djokovic, yeah that would be the Olympics. He has won every slams and Masters twice, most even 3 times, has beaten Federer and Nadal multiple times in their pet slams... His 3 US Opens maybe? He is supposedly the best player ever on HC, has 9 AO and already holds the record of titles for most Masters (except Canada)... 3 USO could be seen as an anonaly.
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Fed's hole on clay is relative, seeing that he had to contend with the best ever clay court player (by a significant margin). Nadal's achievements are so massively skewed towards clay (13 out of 20 slams, 26 out of 36 Master's 1000) that he literally starved the opposition of success there, with the notable exception of Djokovic, who is easily the most complete singles player in the Open era.
 
these colors below are a good indication of versatility and show clearly how clay skewed rafas summary is.

slams (50% HC, 25% clay, 25% grass):
nole- 60% HC, 10% clay, 30% grass (2x CGS)
rafa- 25% HC, 65% clay, 10% grass (1xCGS)
fed- 55% HC, 5% clay, 40% grass (1xCGS)

masters (67% HC, 33% clay):
nole- 72% HC, 28% clay (2x gold masters)
rafa- 28% HC, 72% clay (excluding Paris, Miami and Sangay *)
fed- 79% HC, 21% clay (without rome and MC)

* won 1 times shanghais precursor - madrid master
 
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Sunny014 said:
Actually it is

WTF >>>>> ATP 1000 >>>> Olympics

Olympics has no points and it is more about country pride, in the goat race there is no room for any olympics in the discussion.
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I don’t get why we insist on combining all these different tournaments. The Olympics are about pride of playing for your country. Completely different from the normal pro tour.
 
BeatlesFan said:
Explain why an undefeated winner gets 1500 points and an Olympic gold medalist takes home 0 points.
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Different majors had different prize money. So, they are all valued differently ?

The lengths to which the forum goes to defend the failures of the players they support is mind boggling.

The question here was why did Novak and Roger fail to win Olympics, a very special event ? All i get in response was Nadal failed to win YEC
 
The Blond Blur said:
They simply couldn’t handle the pressure of having the weight of a nation on their shoulders. So be it.
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Exactly... Tour events are managing your own expectations, Olympics is bearing the weight on your shoulders of the whole nation, not having to disappoint the country as a whole.

Rafa and Murray don't get enough props and the undermining of Olympics is agenda driven here.
 
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Federer was not good enough to beat ATG Nadal in 2008 at Olympics. Djokovic not good enough to beat wife beater Zverev, lol.
 
The Olympics are a completely different beast to the comparatively banal day-to-day life of the tour.

People competing at the Olympics are in "war mode". Just look at the likes of Massu and Puig.

Just look at the list of players who have chickened out of previous Olympic tournaments. It reads like a "who's who" of eternal bottle-jobs.

There's absolutely no shame in Federer or Djokovic lacking Olympic singles Gold. But the reason is that everyone else is GOATmoding it.
 
Missing out on the Olympics can be kinda circumstantial because it’s only held once every four years.

That said Fed did mess up in 2004.
 
Third Serve said:
Missing out on the Olympics can be kinda circumstantial because it’s only held once every four years.

That said Fed did mess up in 2004.
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Nadal's Golden Slam and when he achieved it is why he is seen as the Greatest of them all by so many i feel. He completed tennis at the biggest events in 2010 in the peak era of Federer Djokovic Murray Del potro. Alcaraz and Sinner both have mentioned how amazing it was Nadal doing it when he did. That 2008-2010 period by Nadal was arguably the greatest level of tennis ever seen.
 
Nappa said:
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Thsat 2010 USO Final is rarely mentioned, but it was one of the most historic matches in history given what was on the line. Rafa just bossed it. Greatest big match player of all time proven right there right then. Lets see if Alcaraz can step up and take Rafa's mantle this event although he still wont have the golden career slam (yet)
 
messiahrobins said:
Thsat 2010 USO Final is rarely mentioned, but it was one of the most historic matches in history given what was on the line. Rafa just bossed it. Greatest big match player of all time proven right there right then. Lets see if Alcaraz can step up and take Rafa's mantle this event although he still wont have the golden career slam (yet)
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The 2010 USO is my favourite slam final. Rafa was invincible, and his kit was just right.


 
Third Serve said:
Missing out on the Olympics can be kinda circumstantial because it’s only held once every four years.

That said Fed did mess up in 2004.
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Had Fed known that a top player like Rafa would win OG someday, he would have taken it more seriously. Tennis players didn't take it seriously until Rafa won it. Then, it became a coveted trophy, especially by male tennis players.
 
it is just one player in history who completed tennis (all big tournaments), and that player is not the king of clay!

more:
tennis: nole>fed=rafa
slams: nole>rafa>fed (24>22>20)
WTF: nole>fed>rafa (7>6>0)
OG: nole>rafa>fed (G+B>G>S)
masters: nole>rafa>fed (40>26>28)

YE#1: nole>fed=rafa (8>5=5)
weeks at #1: nole>fed>rafa 8 (418>319>209)

CGS: nole>rafa>fed (3>2>1)
CGM: nole>rafa=fed (2>0>0)

all 4 simultaneously: nole>fed=rafa (noleslam>norafaslam=nofedslam)
max ATP points: nole>fed>rafa (16950>15495>15390)
W%: nole>rafa>fed

H2H: nole>rafa>fed

all titles: fed>nole>rafa (103>99>92)
 
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GoatNo1 said:
it is just one player in history who completed tennis (all big tournaments), and that player is not the king of clay!

more:
tennis: nole>fed=rafa
slams: nole>rafa>fed
WTF: nole>fed>rafa
OG: nole>rafa>fed
masters. nole>rafa>fed

YE#1: nole>fed=rafa
weeks at #1: nole>fed>rafa

CGS: nole>rafa>fed
CGM: nole>rafa=fed

all 4 simultaneously: nole>fed=rafa

max ATP points: nole>fed>rafa

H2H: nole>rafa>fed

all titles: fed>nole>rafa
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It's the Stats-padder.
 
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ND-13 said:
Even As a Nolefam , I have to agree Nadal’s achievements at age 24 in the best era is much better than Djokovic at age 38 in the Tsitsipas-Zverev-Medvedev to Sinneraz transition era
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I have to disagree! Novak's triumph over Carlos, it was one, if not the one, stupendous achievements in history! Who did Nadal beat at 24 for his golden slam, anyway?

Going into the match, Novak wasn't given much of a chance. Between this and the five-set WB loss in '23, which one would Djokovic choose? I think this, he already won Wimbledon 7 times!
 
Lol at guys hyping olympics when it gives fat 0 points.

The number 1 even skipped the last edition in favour of Toronto.
 
I am so glad Djokovic was able to follow the template of Nadal and Federer in achieving lofty goals, albeit it took 15 years more than what Nadal took, even though they are practically a year apart in age, let alone Nadal achieved during an ultra competitive era.
 
ND-13 said:
Novak was able to get the OG

But can he reverse the 11-7 h2h that favors Nadal ?
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He does not need to. Nadal never beated Djokovic on Australia Open. Nadal never beated PRIME Djokovic in Wimbledon. And Prime Djokovic vs Prime Nadal is 1-1 on US Open. French Open H2H is just a testament that Djokovic was so great to get to the finals against Nadal on his TOP GS. But Nadal was too weak to get to the more finals against Djokovic on Australian Open and Wimbledon. Kind of pathetic for Nadal.
 
Oleksandr.Usyk said:
He does not need to. Nadal never beated Djokovic on Australia Open. Nadal never beated PRIME Djokovic in Wimbledon. And Prime Djokovic vs Prime Nadal is 1-1 on US Open. French Open H2H is just a testament that Djokovic was so great to get to the finals against Nadal on his TOP GS. But Nadal was too weak to get to the more finals against Djokovic on Australian Open and Wimbledon. Kind of pathetic for Nadal.
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We cannot change the 11-7 in tennis.
 
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