Wilander questions future wildcards for Andy Murray

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
Wilander:
THINK ANDY MURRAY NEEDS TO STOP THINKING OF HIMSELF AND START THINKING ABOUT WHO HE WAS. DOES HE HAVE A RIGHT TO BE OUT THERE TAKING WILDCARDS FROM THE YOUNG PLAYERS?
"I was 26 when I first retired, came back at 28, played until 32 and there was a couple of years I played and should not have taken up the space where there were younger, more motivated players who were better than me.
 

Hood_Man

Legend
Had this been a normal season it's entirely possible he wouldn't have needed a wildcard for the US Open. Consistently reaching the 3rd round or quarterfinals throughout the season, plus a few outliers where he may have gone further, and he could well have found himself inside the top 30 by the time the draw was done.

Wilander's just being a fannie as usual.
 

ibbi

G.O.A.T.
I would think if only for TV ratings Wimbledon will give Sir Andy wildcards until the end of human existence. I'd think he'd be good for at least one in Australia given all the finals, and the match last year with Roberto. Nishioka is a top 50 player, and he just beat him over 5 so I wouldn't be rushing to bury the guy just yet. I think it's safe to say he's never making it back to the top, but does he need to in order to do some service and aid to the game?
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Wilander has evolved into as much of an attention hog as McEnroe, which is a very high bar. He'll say anything to get a headline ("Federer has no balls," "Novak will never again win a slam" (2018), "Rafa will never win another USO" (2015), blah blah.

Andy Murray is a three-time slam winner, he has more heart than any of the other players out there except the big three and in "Cincy" he defeated the finalist in this year's USO. Mats needs to STFU. If Murray wants a WC, he should get one.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
I think he deserves 1 more at AO and certainly 1 more at Wimbledon. If he can't make effective use of them by then then I will be the first to back Wilander on this and question what he is doing and why.

In the meantime I, for one, can't stop thinking about who he was. :(
As far as I know, Andy has never used his protected ranking to enter tournaments. Why not?
 

vex

Legend
WHAT he is doing isn’t some mystery people. He’s a great player, an obsessive workaholic, giving his best shot at a comeback. IF his body can’t do it, his mind simply hasn’t caught up to that reality yet. He’s earned some more leeway here. Let him play. None of these wildcard kids were going to do shiit with the spot anyway
 

thrust

Legend
IMO Murray deserves wild cards from any tournaments until the day he retires. 3 slams and former No 1 give you those rights forever. Rather watch Murray (even he loses) than some no name local player and I don’t think I am the only one
IMO, Andy should end his season now and get in better shape, if possible. Then if he feels he can do better than he has recently, he should get a wild card into the AO. If he does poorly there, then perhaps, he should consider retirement so as to not put his body into further danger. He already has had a great career and I am sure there will be various tennis jobs offered to him to consider, if he retires.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
"THINK ANDY MURRAY NEEDS TO STOP THINKING OF HIMSELF AND START THINKING ABOUT WHO HE WAS."

What does this even mean? Is thinking about who he was not thinking about himself? :-D

Translation: Take justified pride in what you've already achieved (which is considerable) and stop trying to get back to that former level because it clearly isn't working.
 
Imo, he deserves one more shot for a WC at Wimbledon seeing that it was cancelled this year so other than that, I agree that Murray shouldn't get an AO wildcard but maybe WC for qualifying at AO to make sure that he earned it into the main draw and that should be about it.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
WHAT he is doing isn’t some mystery people. He’s a great player, an obsessive workaholic, giving his best shot at a comeback. IF his body can’t do it, his mind simply hasn’t caught up to that reality yet. He’s earned some more leeway here. Let him play. None of these wildcard kids were going to do shiit with the spot anyway
Well said. My respect for Murray's will went way up after I saw the Resurfacing film about his surgery and rehabilitation. I can't imagine even the worst hater watching this and not love Andy.

 

TennisaGoGo

Semi-Pro
100% agree with Wilander. Murray should qualify. My boy Checchinaro had to qualify for some reason and hasn’t lost a set yet. That’s how you do it
 
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TripleATeam

G.O.A.T.
Andy has a much better chance at a title run than the 6th-best wildcard. Sure, he might have a low skill floor right now, but if he's on, he can manage to go far. Give him the wildcards. With his career, you never know what he could pull off.
 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
Just 1, at Wimbledon.
Murray was a great player but the reality is his body can not handle the strain of a GS tournament anymore.
One more appearance at AO, Queens, Wimbledon and Tokyo Olympics and that it will be the end.
His health will thank you in the long run.
:D
 

-snake-

Hall of Fame
Well said. My respect for Murray's will went way up after I saw the Resurfacing film about his surgery and rehabilitation. I can't imagine even the worst hater watching this and not love Andy.





Oh come on. You could even make a show with multiple seasons about Tommy Haas, Hewitt and DP's injuries. The guy won 3 slems, a truckload of other titles and was numero 1 for a while. Enough with this melodrama about his career being cut short because of injury. He won as much as he could and eventually his body gave up. That's what happened. Everything has to come to an end at some point.
 
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Terenigma

G.O.A.T.
Gonna be brutally honest here and as a Murray fan, i don't think he should be gifted any more wild cards at slams. I completely understand some people saying that at Wimbledon he should be given the benefit of the doubt and it will be good for ratings but to me he's not a contender and never will be again. Granted most players the wild cards go to don't really do much either but the difference is that the potential money they can earn is a game changer for a lot of them and nothing for Murray. Especially with the current state of the world with Covid.

Also yeah Wilander spouts a bunch of garbage most of the time but that doesn't mean he can't occasionally be right. Murray needs to play his way back into tournaments and prove he deserves to be there, no more gifts. He's pretty close to being top 100 again and if he's serious about continuing to play then it's time he takes a step back, play smaller tournaments and get match practise and earn his way back into Wimbledon next year.
 

Rebel-I.N.S

Hall of Fame
Don't really understand Wilander’s point, or the damp opinions here.

Why do you watch sport, seriously? You wouldn’t like to see another Ivanisevic? Fed getting his 18th? Woods getting his 15th?

Murray can lose in the early rounds for the next however many slams...if he says the fire is still there, I believe him.
 

ND-13

Hall of Fame
Gonna be brutally honest here and as a Murray fan, i don't think he should be gifted any more wild cards at slams. I completely understand some people saying that at Wimbledon he should be given the benefit of the doubt and it will be good for ratings but to me he's not a contender and never will be again. Granted most players the wild cards go to don't really do much either but the difference is that the potential money they can earn is a game changer for a lot of them and nothing for Murray. Especially with the current state of the world with Covid.

Also yeah Wilander spouts a bunch of garbage most of the time but that doesn't mean he can't occasionally be right. Murray needs to play his way back into tournaments and prove he deserves to be there, no more gifts. He's pretty close to being top 100 again and if he's serious about continuing to play then it's time he takes a step back, play smaller tournaments and get match practise and earn his way back into Wimbledon next year.

Very rational fan !
 

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
Don't really understand Wilander’s point, or the damp opinions here.

Why do you watch sport, seriously? You wouldn’t like to see another Ivanisevic? Fed getting his 18th? Woods getting his 15th?

Murray can lose in the early rounds for the next however many slams...if he says the fire is still there, I believe him.

It is a sport. It is supposed to be about competition.
If Murray wants to play that is all well and good. But let him go and play qualifiers like everyone else. This "wild card" nonsense is a disgrace to the sport.

We all saw this last year when Sharapova was given wild card to play the USO and embarrassed herself in first round vs Serena. One of the most lopsided pathetic matches we have ever seen.
 
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clout

Hall of Fame
Murray deserves the WCs imo. He’s still one of the biggest names in the sport who will draw crowds (virtually) and more than anything, he’s been a staple in what has probably been the greatest generation in tennis history.
 

onyxrose81

Hall of Fame
I wrote a comment about Murray playing but that was more on the concern of him doing potential harm to his body and him stubbornly not listening. Murray has done enough to warrant WCs for the next AO and Wimbledon. Anything after that, I do have to say no.
 

big ted

Legend
i think he should take them as long as theyre handing them out...
he wont be getting them forever...
is he less deserving of a wildcard because hes older? thats discrimination:oops:
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
All these tournaments are in the entertainment business and they give Murray wildcards because many fans are interested in watching his matches live or on TV as opposed to another young player who is #150 in the world. It is good business for them which is also why Genie Bouchard gets wildcards. At the Newport Beach Challenger last year, the headliner in the tournament marketing was Genie even though Taylor Fritz and Bianca Andreescu played and won the men’s and women’s tournaments respectively just before Bianca won Indian Wells.

Also, Andy is having a tough time moving up in the rankings this year because the points from 2019 are preserved for the other players. He just beat Zverev at ‘Cinci’ and that is not something a #150 ranked player can do. I think he deserves to be in the Slam draws on his own merits (even outside of his box office potential) and if Wilander compared him to the player with the #150 ranking in the world, he would agree. I think Wilander wants Andy to be the ATG Slam-winning Andy and he doesn’t have the movement anymore to look like that.
 

Mike Bulgakov

G.O.A.T.
Wilander has evolved into as much of an attention hog as McEnroe, which is a very high bar. He'll say anything to get a headline ("Federer has no balls," "Novak will never again win a slam" (2018), "Rafa will never win another USO" (2015), blah blah.

Andy Murray is a three-time slam winner, he has more heart than any of the other players out there except the big three and in "Cincy" he defeated the finalist in this year's USO. Mats needs to STFU. If Murray wants a WC, he should get one.
I think you are misinterpreting Mats' motives. He is a pretty direct and honest guy who has a love of the sport, like his father did. He likes to talk about tennis, and his statement probably reflects his Swedish sense of fairness, and him regretting playing the sport when, in retrospect, he could no longer play at the level he demanded from himself. His statement is more a reflection of empathy with Andy than any sort of criticism.
 
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vex

Legend
Well said. My respect for Murray's will went way up after I saw the Resurfacing film about his surgery and rehabilitation. I can't imagine even the worst hater watching this and not love Andy.

Resurfacing really blew me away seeing how insane his off-Court training was. When he was grinding on that stair master the night before the surgery... geez dude
 

yokied

Hall of Fame
When did this "AMC" stuff start? Wasn't he with Under Armour for quite a while? That might give us a clue about what Murray's plan is. It might not necessarily be about winning, just like Fediqlo.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
I find this frankly pathetic from Wilander. Don’t target Andy, target the nepotism of the tournaments awarding all these wildcards to absolute nobodies just because they are from the country of origin whether it being French or American or Australia or British. Andy will draw an audience and viewership. You want to talk about taking someone else’s spot? Let’s talk about Donald Young and Jack Sock who each have been given something over THIRTY wildcards in their career. Shut up about the former #1 who might I add has won a title in the last year. More than can be said about most wildcards on tour.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
I think he deserves 1 more at AO and certainly 1 more at Wimbledon. If he can't make effective use of them by then then I will be the first to back Wilander on this and question what he is doing and why.

In the meantime I, for one, can't stop thinking about who he was. :(
Murray deserves a lifetime of wildcards if he wants as he will always draw crowds and viewers as he is one of the most loved players on tour. The focus should be on the wasted wildcard awarded by tournaments to nobodies who never win.
 

dahcovixx

Professional
All these tournaments are in the entertainment business and they give Murray wildcards because many fans are interested in watching his matches live or on TV as opposed to another young player who is #150 in the world. It is good business for them which is also why Genie Bouchard gets wildcards. At the Newport Beach Challenger last year, the headliner in the tournament marketing was Genie even though Taylor Fritz and Bianca Andreescu played and won the men’s and women’s tournaments respectively just before Bianca won Indian Wells.

Its direspectful to the french players who are looking for a chance. Wildcards should only be given to people in the country that hosts the tournament, anything else looks like a cirus show trying to sell peanuts.

Goes against what they are for, if you host an atp tournament, you can let your players get skip qualies, one of the few chances all year they get.

The winner of 18's kalamazo and ncaa champ got us open wildcards in the past (not sure now). Promoting the future players
 

daphne

Hall of Fame
Murray should have remained retired to preserve dignity. Having retired and having replaced his body parts with metal should have been enough and obvious to him that he will NEVER EVER be as he used to no matter what the experts say. He will keep getting flogged and once there is enough pain he will disappear from the scene as 100+ ranked someone from a R1 at some obscure meet. That's called reality.
 

Nole_King

Hall of Fame
Resurfacing really blew me away seeing how insane his off-Court training was. When he was grinding on that stair master the night before the surgery... geez dude

Are we saying they filmed a night before the surgery for a documentary that will be about him recovering from the same surgery?

I would admit though that I am little biased against documentaries that try to pass something as reality when in actual they are shot as any other movie with screenplay.
 

big ted

Legend
Murray should have remained retired to preserve dignity. Having retired and having replaced his body parts with metal should have been enough and obvious to him that he will NEVER EVER be as he used to no matter what the experts say. He will keep getting flogged and once there is enough pain he will disappear from the scene as 100+ ranked someone from a R1 at some obscure meet. That's called reality.

or he should at least play doubles... i think he could actually win GS doubles titles
isnt that better than what hes doing now?
 

Waterwater

New User
or he should at least play doubles... i think he could actually win GS doubles titles
isnt that better than what hes doing now?

Play doubles for what? He doesn’t need the money nor a doubles GS title would add anything to his legacy. The best players don’t play doubles full time and Andy obviously wants to compete with the best players
 

cortado

Professional
Murray's a great player who I enjoy watching but we need to realise that he is done. It's over. Hip resurfacing is supposed to allow you pain-free movement and the ability to casually engage in physical activity. You aren't supposed to be playing pro-level singles tennis with a fake hip. If he carries on much longer he'll break this new hip and then he'll really be screwed.
 

big ted

Legend
Play doubles for what? He doesn’t need the money nor a doubles GS title would add anything to his legacy. The best players don’t play doubles full time and Andy obviously wants to compete with the best players


well its still tennis and apparently he loves tennis but im old school tho ... when i grew up it was normal for the top players to play doubles lol
 

Waterwater

New User
well its still tennis and apparently he loves tennis but im old school tho ... when i grew up it was normal for the top players to play doubles lol

I just think going to doubles at this stage is just admitting to defeat that he can no longer compete with the top players. He obviously still wants to prove something, namely overcome injury
 

racquetreligion

Hall of Fame
Did we already forget that he beat Zverev at Cincy?
he lost to the older Zev when he was ranked no1 too

Stan the Man slaughtered Marry the Magdaftlene when their last clay clash
was a 5 set muzzler moonball fest that tired Stan for his following duty.
Never seen so many chipped lobs per macth since my granny's tuesday tennis
which was a posture correcting chin up procedure at best.

Maybe now can get a sex, skin, eye 5G pigment change sponsored by Sore-ros
and join the WTA, LGBTQ and BLM. PTPA will be sued for not accepting Sir "IT".

iu
 
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NicoMK

Hall of Fame
Maybe Mats could have said it another way... but I don't find it's too harsh or pathetic or whatever I read here and there.

I've seen most of the match and 1/ it was poor, poor play by Andy, sorry... and 2/ I was thinking, he may hurt himself in the end. The guy has nothing to prove anymore, so why?

As for what Mats said, to be fair he also added that he knew what he was talking about, as he did the same, more or less : taking wild cards, playing sometimes good matches and sometimes having bad losses, I remember that well when he came back during the mid 90, so in the end I think it's not unfair from him.

So no need to bulls***t him... as for Andy, he can do whatever he wants, it's up to him.
 
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