Wilander with a BOMBSHELL statement: "When Sinner and Alcaraz are at their best, there is no way anyone has played better tennis"

Djumhur said:
another non-believer. In 10 years all you non-believers will be acting like you havent been told that Raz and Sinner are future ATGs with double digits slams
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i do not deny that. What I am saying is that it is a bit too early to say what Wilander said. Also, most of his comments are recency biased and it is just annoying.
 
Fed is not merely known for his records . So if someone gets 20 or 22 majors, it is not that suddenly his stocks go down . He will still be an icon and he is making all the moves that position him just like Jordan.

Unfortunately it is our Djoker that needs to be concerned with the levels that Sinneraz are showing . If one of them gets a CYGS, then that alone will propel the person to uncharted territories. And since it is a 2 person race and both players 21-23, sky is the limit for records and we are going to see umpteen number of them broken in the coming years
 
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Winner Sinner said:
The Fedal rivalry, which was earlier than the subsequent ones which also included Djokovic, achieved a full haul of single season slams for the first time in 2006, when their combined age was 45 years. So Sinneraz did it even earlier (44 years old). But I repeat that what separates their rivalry from the others of the big three is the pathos due to the uncertainty of the prediction regardless of the surface. Only Fedjokic had these requirements, the problem being that for age reasons (six years difference) their peaks only came close. The Sinneraz rivalry has every possible requirement imaginable to become the top of the list, including the fact that at the moment there is no one on the horizon who can overlap. It is absolutely not certain that they too will have the third wheel in place in Djokovic, but perhaps not even Murray. The superiority they currently exude compared to their contemporaries in relation to their age is objectively embarrassing. I mean, they have world tennis in check despite the older of the two being Sinner who is only 23 years old. If the big three took turns leaving only crumbs on the table to their contemporaries, these two threaten to take the whole table and crumbs included.
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Friendly tip: no need to dress up simple points with big words that don’t add to what you’re saying (or, worse, make the post less discernible)…coming from someone who also struggles to keep his flowery side in check.
 
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TheFifthSet said:
Friendly tip: no need to garnish simple points with big words that don’t add to what you’re saying (or, worse, make the post less discernible)…coming from someone who also struggles to keep his flowery side in check.
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I accept the advice but I fear there may be a misunderstanding. I'm Italian, I write from Italy and I don't have a great command (euphemism) with English, so much so that to try to make myself as understanding as possible I have to help myself with Google translator, ergo, I don't do it on purpose to give air to my comments .
 
Federer and Djokovic were late starters so maybe Trollander is right about the two of them but not Rafa who was a talented tennis prodigy from the minute he entered his teens when he was old enough to play with a proper racquet..
 
To put things into perspective...


https://twitter.com/x/status/1842246602053869578


Thread 1/

The recency bias we are witnessing, after the Beijing final.


Apparently Sinner&Alcaraz are better than Djokovic,Federer & Nadal at their peak.


So let’s do some numbers, shall we?


Let’s compare this last year by Sincaraz to one year by Djokovic alone.


Fair?


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Let’s compare Sinner&Alcaraz *together* from 5 October 2023 to 4 October 2024 and Djokovic alone from 8 June 2015 to 7 June 2016. One full year. 2 vs 1.


Grand Slams

Djokovic 4✅

Sincaraz 4✅


Masters

Djokovic 5✅

Sincaraz 3❌


ATP Finals

Djokovic 1✅

Sincaraz 0 ❌


⬇️


3/

Big Titles

Djokovic 10✅

Sincaraz 7❌


Total titles

Djokovic 12✅

Sincaraz 11❌


Weeks at #1

Djokovic 52✅

Sincaraz 17❌


Year End #1

Djokovic 1✅

Sincaraz 0❌


So even the 2 of them together are no match to one year of peak Djokovic alone.


Time to tone it down, imo.
 
Bubcay said:
To put things into perspective...


https://twitter.com/x/status/1842246602053869578


Thread 1/

The recency bias we are witnessing, after the Beijing final.


Apparently Sinner&Alcaraz are better than Djokovic,Federer & Nadal at their peak.


So let’s do some numbers, shall we?


Let’s compare this last year by Sincaraz to one year by Djokovic alone.


Fair?


2/

Let’s compare Sinner&Alcaraz *together* from 5 October 2023 to 4 October 2024 and Djokovic alone from 8 June 2015 to 7 June 2016. One full year. 2 vs 1.


Grand Slams

Djokovic 4✅

Sincaraz 4✅


Masters

Djokovic 5✅

Sincaraz 3❌


ATP Finals

Djokovic 1✅

Sincaraz 0 ❌


⬇️


3/

Big Titles

Djokovic 10✅

Sincaraz 7❌


Total titles

Djokovic 12✅

Sincaraz 11❌


Weeks at #1

Djokovic 52✅

Sincaraz 17❌


Year End #1

Djokovic 1✅

Sincaraz 0❌


So even the 2 of them together are no match to one year of peak Djokovic alone.


Time to tone it down, imo.
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In short, when Sincaraz are at their best, there is no way they can match Djokovic.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
Even I take issue with Wilanders words. He did insult Big 3 a bit.
I think big 3 are great and sineraz are also great but these two play power game that big 3 are incapable of. Is it better? Maybe not yet but its in same level.
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Is the implication here that they would have their hands full at their best with these two? If so, Medvedev has handled both this year and last. I'm not bothered with Wilander here, by the way; I'm addressing your words only.
 
FlyingSaucer said:
Is the implication here that they would have their hands full at their best with these two? If so, Medvedev has handled both this year and last. I'm not bothered with Wilander here, by the way; I'm addressing your words only.
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Yes big 3 will have their hands full vs sineraz 100%

They had some tough matches vs even non atg Murray, what are you thinking saying they won't have their hands full vs atg players


Look sinner might get 5% better but he is near his peak

Carlos also looks near his peak.

These two are peak players at atg level. Carlos has done more at younger age than Fed ever did. So definitely big 3 will have hands full.

That means Nadal at rg will lose some (2 out of 10 like vs nole ) vs Carlos.

Sinner may dominate Nadal on HC or at least make it even.

Fed will have huge issues vs Carlos on slow courts

And of course nole will have trouble vs both as well.

I have issue with wilander myself. But these two are Uber talented. I am not big 3 worshipper. They are NOT GODs.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
Yes big 3 will have their hands full vs sineraz 100%

They had some tough matches vs even non atg Murray, what are you thinking saying they won't have their hands full vs atg players


Look sinner might get 5% better but he is near his peak

Carlos also looks near his peak.

These two are peak players at atg level. Carlos has done more at younger age than Fed ever did. So definitely big 3 will have hands full.

That means Nadal at rg will lose some (2 out of 10 like vs nole ) vs Carlos.

Sinner may dominate Nadal on HC or at least make it even.

Fed will have huge issues vs Carlos on slow courts

And of course nole will have trouble vs both as well.

I have issue with wilander myself. But these two are Uber talented. I am not big 3 worshipper. They are NOT GODs.
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Yes, you can have your hands full from time to time, obviously. I thought you were leaning more towards they would be too difficult to handle, which is why I brought up Medvedev.

They are not gods? Sure they are. Others can become them, too. We'll see.
 
Wilander's always been the one to drop on his knees and gobble on whatever the latest trend is but damn I never knew he'd go this far.

He makes Onlyfans women look loyal, sheesh
 
FlyingSaucer said:
Yes, you can have your hands full from time to time, obviously. I thought you were leaning more towards they would be too difficult to handle, which is why I brought up Medvedev.
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Hands full as in sineraz will chip away big 3 legacy, no 20+ slams. It would not be pretty.

While Murray , Andy Murray was a pushover.
 
FlyingSaucer said:
Okay so this is a very messy alternate reality. May as well argue that one of Sinner or Alcaraz could have emerged as the most successful player in this scenario.
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It is possible. These two are generational talents. Wilander didn't have to crap on big 3 , he does this for sensationalism. But the way these two play is incredible.
 
FlyingSaucer said:
Big 3 have had weak competition? :D
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I don't know what you mean but every 10+ slams winner has had weak competition at some pt. Navratilova and Evert won 18 each. Serena won 23 in vacuum and of course big 3 had periods of weak competition as well.

They did have unique blend of strongest competition for few years as well so that's cool.
 
Wilander likes to make hyperbolic comments a lot. Nobody takes him seriously anymore, and this sends him on a spiral where he is compelled to make increasingly outrageous claims hoping to get some attention.
 
It's ridiculous, lol. The Beijing final was great but I've seen much better matches including recently. They are nowhere near Prime Big-3. Sinneraz from 2024 would never stand a chance against 2004-2007 Federer, 2011-2016 Djokovic or peak Claydal. Wilander isn't the brightest light in the harbor.
 
Tennisfan339 said:
It's ridiculous, lol. The Beijing final was great but I've seen much better matches including recently. They are nowhere near Prime Big-3. Sinneraz from 2024 would never stand a chance against 2004-2007 Federer, 2011-2016 Djokovic or peak Claydal. Wilander isn't the brightest light in the harbor.
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Where is rafa era?
Oh its just clay
 
Very good take by gill gross

The younger players never get the respect that they deserve. Djokovic faced this from entitled fedfans for a decade when it was obvious he was dominant number 1 for almost all of it.

The tennis world is reactionary. Now that fedal are done and nole's career is near finish, the members are making them up like GODs. Lol they aren't gods.
 

This is what I felt as well. The power from the corners for both guys is ungodly. They are taking tennis to the next level.

For Raz to find that forehand angle and crushing the ball, its inhuman.
 
Was listening to a podcast recently where Craig O’Shannasey was talking about how he was the first one to give Novak the secrets of all his opponents and himself, with game data, in 2017 onwards. Coincidentally Novak won like a demon from that point, with a game that had surgical precision. Nothing spectacular outside of always seemingly making the exact correct shot…however now these young guns also have that info, but in addition also have spectacular shotmaking skills and movement…perhaps that’s why Wilander and others make statements like these.
 
It's fine. He learned that from WWE (to push the younger generation over) trying to help the sport, but all who watched know that's not the truth.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
I guess people don't like changes.
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Perhaps some don’t, but that’s not why I said what I said.

If it were, I wouldn’t have jumped on the Alcaraz bandwagon in 2022 in the HOPE that he’d maintain the standard set by his predecessors. It hasn’t happened, so I’m less bullish about it now. Zero to do with nostalgia bias or aversion to change.

nolefam_2024 said:
And new players are never given respect they deserve.
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Saying they haven’t reached the level of the probable three best players of the Open Era isn’t disrespectful.
 
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TheFifthSet said:
Perhaps some don’t, but that’s not why I said what I said.

If it were, I wouldn’t have jumped on the Alcaraz bandwagon in 2022 in the HOPE that he’d maintain the standard set by his predecessors. It hasn’t happened, so I’m less bullish about it now. Zero to do with nostalgia bias or aversion to change.



Saying they haven’t reached the level of the probable three best players of the Open Era isn’t disrespectful.
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Alcaraz has more hand skills than Roger Federer and is as good an athlete as rafole.
 
RF-18 said:
Wilander SENDING the whole tennis world in SHOCK, read HERE:

Full comments in Link.


“They are following in the footsteps of the 'Big Three' in terms of level,” Wilander said.


“I hope Roger, Novak, and Rafa are not listening, but in terms of level, when Sinner and Alcaraz are at their best, there is no way anyone has ever played better tennis, that the tennis ball has done more different, complicated, difficult things than the ball is doing between Sinner and Alcaraz.”

www.eurosport.com

'I hope Roger, Novak and Rafa aren't listening' – Alcaraz-Sinner rivalry gets highest praise

Mats Wilander says matches between Carlos Alcaraz and Jannik Sinner should be considered amongst “the best sporting events ever” after their China Open final.
www.eurosport.com www.eurosport.com
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Wilander at his trolling best.
 
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