mike danny
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So far he can't even beat ARV LMAO.
Will Alcaraz beat Nadal' 2005 season achievements?
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TheNachoMan
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I’m glad the votes are publicly visible..
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I mean majority of the are renowned nadal haters, compare nadal against Hitler and they pick Hitler.
Mustard
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2005 Nadal at the French Open dropped a set each to Grosjean, Federer and Puerta. The Grosjean match took a weird turn, when Grosjean queried a line call from earlier in a rally after carrying on with the point, the umpire correctly refused to look at any mark, and the crowd went crazy, taking minutes to restore any kind of order, while booing and hissing the umpire whenever he called scores. It unsettled the then inexperienced 18-year-old Nadal a lot, but he still held it together, came back the next day and won. Nadal was the slight underdog going into the match with Federer, and won in 4 sets. He was clear favourite to beat Puerta, and got pushed very hard indeed. Puerta had 3 set points to make it 2-2 in sets, but Nadal won in 4 sets.
I doubt even 2005 Nadal loses a set to Ramos-Vinolas at the French Open, unless there was something weird like the Grosjean situation.
I doubt even 2005 Nadal loses a set to Ramos-Vinolas at the French Open, unless there was something weird like the Grosjean situation.
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TheNachoMan
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It’s still a ridiculous comparison even if he wins. Imagine 2005 Nadal losing 2 sets to ARV.
Mustard
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Losing sets is enough if we're making direct comparison between Nadal and Alcaraz. Of Nadal's 106 match wins at the French Open, only 2 went into a fifth set. Alcaraz has lost 2 sets to Ramos-Vinolas.
Nadal is KOC. Alcaraz is not. Even if he loses in French - he will have another opportunity in USO. He is better than young Nadal on hard courts.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Grosjean still better than ARV.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
lol well there it goes
The Guru
G.O.A.T.
Could always win the USO
Matching Nadal at FO is highest possible bar. All he needs is a slam win this season..
mike danny
Bionic Poster
If he doesn't make up for it at the USO, this is a pretty big failure.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Another point is Alcaraz's best surface is not clay so comparison is futile.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Best of 5 sets is just very different. We only have to look at Zverev. Getting rid of best of 5 sets finals at some of the M1000s hasn't been smart.
Failure if you compare him with young Nadal. No teen age player has won Slam since Nadal.
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Mustard
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Nadal at age 18 reached the final of 2005 Miami. At 19, he won the 2005 Canadian Open in Montreal and the 2005 Madrid Indoor.
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TheNachoMan
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mike danny
Bionic Poster
You mean a guy who's beaten all the top 3 to win a masters recently shouldn't be expected to get past the 2nd round of a major?
Mustard
Bionic Poster
He was very close to winning 2005 Miami against Federer. He won the 2005 Madrid Indoor final from 2 sets down against Ljubicic.
He survives. May pass second round.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I hope so, otherwise this tournament is gonna suck.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
He needs to be patient , he's way too agressive and making errors. He has all the shots in his Arsenals.
The Guru
G.O.A.T.
Having the de facto final in the quarters would be weird. Alcaraz losing would be huge for Novak but for the sake of entertainment Carlos needs to come through here.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Exactly. Don't want Djokodal to be the only match worth watching.
Alcaraz's stats from the early hard court season are pretty remarkable. 88% service games won, 34% return games won – compared to Nadal's 85% SGW and 29% RGW in 2005. Of course, that's comparing a whole season to three tournaments for Alcaraz. He'll probably come down to earth a bit, but I don't see his return games won dropping all the way to 29%.
Proved once again. Haters need to get more patient and wait till he actually loses a match.
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TheNachoMan
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My point still stands, catch 2005 Nadal nearly losing to a 34 year old journeyman.
Let's wait. If he managed to win a Slam this year - nobody will talk about this five setter. Every great has his own trajectory of success.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
He's not winning a slam this year unfortunately.
btsjungkook
Professional
How do you know that, maybe this match was a lesson needed for him to win a slam. Even Djokovic in 2007 got taken to 5 sets against Stephanek before going to the Uso final.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Some ttw expert will tell this BH miss was due to movement
duaneeo
G.O.A.T.
The poll asks if Alcaraz will beat Nadal's 2005 achievements. If Alcaraz wins RG, he and 2005 Rafa are even at RG. The number of sets lost won't matter.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Nadal's 2005 achievements are to win 1 major, 4 M1000s, 11 tournament wins overall and a 79-10 win-loss record, despite his season ending prematurely in late October. Had Nadal managed to finish the year off, he would probably have ended 2005 with more match wins than Federer. Federer was 81-4 in 2005, also had 11 tournament wins, 4 M1000s, but 2 majors.
duaneeo
G.O.A.T.
Still, if Alcaraz wins RG, he's even with 2005 Nadal in slam titles. If he later wins WB and/or the USO, I suspect many would consider his 2022 greater than Rafa's 2005 regardless of his win-loss record and overall tournament wins.
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TheNachoMan
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Only the USO left now..
DSH
Bionic Poster
So what's your point now? 2005 Nadal neither could win HC Slam nor could become #1. All he needs is to win WTF and finish year on top - so his season will be better than Nadal'.
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
Not quite imo. Finishing YE. no. 1 was much easier this year than in 2005. Rafa earned more ranking points than Carlitos
1 slam with YE # 1 > 1 slam with YE #2. Read the thread title - it's all about achievements.
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
Fair enough, I personally think Masters titles are part of achievement and that - given the circumstances - 4 Masters vs. 1 is more than enough to make up for the YE. no. 1.
He has got 2 masters.
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
but of course! My point still stands though, but I guess it comes down to what you define as 'achievements'
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