Will Alcaraz change everything?

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yessir

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IF , and that is a big IF , Carlos performs the same way on Grand Slams , meaning not getting tired on bo5 while smashing 100% the ball each time. , all other players will have to adapt and begin to strike big rather than playing this conservative Djokovic like tennis that ruled the past decade. I am watching Zverev right now against Rune and although he misses much , he strikes every ball with everything he has , which is not something Zverev does at all. Maybe he is trying something new? Dont know.
I mean Carlos makes other tennis players seem like toys and he is just 18 , he smashes them and dictate every point , despite Medvedev and his flat dragging cancer balls I cant see anyone else having fun against him in the near future. Maybe it is time for a change.

Also watching the game (Zverev vs Rune), Rune just dropshots the **** out of Zverev in any gentle ball Zverev throws at him , I guess the next next gen will begin to dropshot the baseline era to the death.
 
The Big Foe fan said:
Djokovic is anything but conservative pusher lol.
Often he's the one with bigger winner count in most of the matches bar the ones against Federer, Wawrinka & Thiem etc
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Yes , I 've been watching Djokovic since 2010. When he plays with the top guys such as Federer , Nadal etc he blasts them , when he plays with the lower tier guys , he massages the ball. Still what you wrote was completely irrelevant to the thread. Lol.
 
MichaelNadal said:
He has already changed me :D
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Haha , when Nadal came to the game he was blasting the ball so what the other players did? (with Djokovic being the best at it). They began to stand 10 meter behind the baseline with big success on hard courts and little to no success on clay courts. Compared to Nadal , Carlos blasts the ball as hard and if you adapt and start standing 10m behind the baseline , you will get dropshotted to death. Nadal was never a finesse player , Carlos has magic hands. In my head , the only choice is to begin to blast the ball as hard.
 
yessir said:
Haha , when Nadal came to the game he was blasting the ball so what the other players did? (with Djokovic being the best at it). They began to stand 10 meter behind the baseline with big success on hard courts and little to no success on clay courts. Compared to Nadal , Carlos blasts the ball as hard and if you adapt and start standing 10m behind the baseline , you will get dropshotted to death. Nadal was never a finesse player , Carlos has magic hands. In my head , the only choice is to begin to blast the ball as hard.
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They will have to change something, bc he’s destroying everyone lol. Like you said, making em look like toys
 
yessir said:
IF , and that is a big IF , Carlos performs the same way on Grand Slams , meaning not getting tired on bo5 while smashing 100% the ball each time. , all other players will have to adapt and begin to strike big rather than playing this conservative Djokovic like tennis that ruled the past decade. I am watching Zverev right now against Rune and although he misses much , he strikes every ball with everything he has , which is not something Zverev does at all. Maybe he is trying something new? Dont know.
I mean Carlos makes other tennis players seem like toys and he is just 18 , he smashes them and dictate every point , despite Medvedev and his flat dragging cancer balls I cant see anyone else having fun against him in the near future. Maybe it is time for a change.

Also watching the game (Zverev vs Rune), Rune just dropshots the **** out of Zverev in any gentle ball Zverev throws at him , I guess the next next gen will begin to dropshot the baseline era to the death.
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I think you are generally correct, although it was already moving that way before Carlos. The baseline grinder era peaked with players like Ferrer. Lost Gen was really a lost Gen with no defining characteristic. The next gen guys definitely usher in a return to more aggressive baseline tennis. Tsitsipas being a standard bearer before Alcaraz. Also Shapo, although he'll never win a slam. Then you have the serve-centric players like Zverev, Hurcakz.
 
yessir said:
Also watching the game (Zverev vs Rune), Rune just dropshots the **** out of Zverev in any gentle ball Zverev throws at him , I guess the next next gen will begin to dropshot the baseline era to the death.
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It didn't do Zverev much good, did it?
 
Very far-fetched post, almost science fiction.

A result of the avalanche of hype. The usual, silly, internet hype.

The notion that Alcatraz is some sort of messiah who will revolutionize tennis is too funny. He can be hugely successful. What more do you want? Him to be Moses with New Commandments?

The notion that Djokovic is some ball-pushing Bruguerabot is even funnier.

The notion that Alcatraz toys with his opponents is funny too. He won a bunch of his matches in 3 sets. It's not like he's been crushing everyone 62 63.
 
Zoid said:
I'd wager 'conservative Djokovic-like tennis' will still give everyone trouble if someone else manages to play that way...Djokovic at his best may LOOK conservative, but it's not.

One thing you cannot sense on television is the pressure depth, flat hitting, and change of direction puts on a player. Djokovic is the best ever at both.

He isn't a first-strike/serve+1 player like Roger and Rafa. Nah, he takes players to deep waters, makes them work the legs, side to side, feeling the depth. Players just drown in their own errors.

Angles/powerful winners = easy to appreciate. Very salient and exciting.
Depth/change of direction = hard to appreciate. You would have to play against it to feel its worth
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If Djokovic was just playing defensively, pushing everything back over the net then he would not even be a top 10 player, let alone a multi time Slam winner. Let alone a TWENTY time slam winner.

You’d be surprised how much the wider tennis community believes that this retrieval is his only strength. Not just casual fans, a lot of people on TTW, social media, even people who watch matches in person.

Not even Murray was just a retriever and he played more of a pusher mindset than Djokovic ever did.

No one who’s serious about tennis believes that playing on the back foot and chasing your opponents shots around is a sustainable winning strategy against top players.

In fact Djokovic’s high profile matches where he did play too tentative (FO ‘15, AO/USO ‘14, WB ‘13 comes to mind) he was punished for it.
 
UnderratedSlam said:
Very far-fetched post, almost science fiction.

A result of the avalanche of hype. The usual, silly, internet hype.

The notion that Alcatraz is some sort of messiah who will revolutionize tennis is too funny. He can be hugely successful. What more do you want? Him to be Moses with New Commandments?

The notion that Djokovic is some ball-pushing Bruguerabot is even funnier.

The notion that Alcatraz toys with his opponents is funny too. He won a bunch of his matches in 3 sets. It's not like he's been crushing everyone 62 63.
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Haha you have no clue , at least I laughed with your attempt to be funny
 
yessir said:
Haha , when Nadal came to the game he was blasting the ball so what the other players did? (with Djokovic being the best at it). They began to stand 10 meter behind the baseline with big success on hard courts and little to no success on clay courts. Compared to Nadal , Carlos blasts the ball as hard and if you adapt and start standing 10m behind the baseline , you will get dropshotted to death. Nadal was never a finesse player , Carlos has magic hands. In my head , the only choice is to begin to blast the ball as hard.
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Rightly said about the drop shots. That is a great weapon of Alcaraz in combination with his powerful strokes.

Drop shots is something Nadal is still not very good at. He often hits them too heavy such that the opponent can get to it. Alcaraz has finesse in this regard.
 
"Will Alcaraz change everything?"

Yes, the planet Earth will change its name to Alcatraz, oceans will multiply, and gravity will increase by 15%.

Yes, the Alcahype train will change the universe.

Because that's what Miami Open champs do, every single time.
 
Nadal - GOAT said:
Rightly said about the drop shots. That is a great weapon of Alcaraz in combination with his powerful strokes.

Drop shots is something Nadal is still not very good at. He often hits them too heavy such that the opponent can get to it. Alcaraz has finesse in this regard.
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Yes this Combo is very very strong.
 
UnderratedSlam said:
"Will Alcaraz change everything?"

Yes, the planet Earth will change its name to Alcatraz, oceans will multiply, and gravity will increase by 15%.

Yes, the Alcahype train will change the universe.

Because that's what Miami Open champs do, every single time.
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Damn another funny one!
 
This kid is being grossly overrated and the second he loses a half a step of foot speed he's going to be just another glorified ball bashing UE machine.
 
Service Ace said:
This kid is being grossly overrated and the second he loses a half a step of foot speed he's going to be just another glorified ball bashing UE machine.
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Grossly overrated compared to who? The big3 of course , no one said he will surpass them and someone has to be stupid to compare him to them. But compared to the ****nextgen? Fck yeah , he will crush their skulls , such a mentally weak gen.
 
yessir said:
...rather than playing this conservative Djokovic like tennis that ruled the past decade.
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yessir said:
Haha , when Nadal came to the game he was blasting the ball so what the other players did? (with Djokovic being the best at it). They began to stand 10 meter behind the baseline with big success on hard courts and little to no success on clay courts. Compared to Nadal , Carlos blasts the ball as hard and if you adapt and start standing 10m behind the baseline , you will get dropshotted to death. Nadal was never a finesse player , Carlos has magic hands. In my head , the only choice is to begin to blast the ball as hard.
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Djokovic never stands 10m behind the baseline.
 
Zoid said:
I'd wager 'conservative Djokovic-like tennis' will still give everyone trouble if someone else manages to play that way...Djokovic at his best may LOOK conservative, but it's not.
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He never ever looks conservative at his best. He only looks this way when he plays low-ranked players in the early rounds because he doesn't want to expend much energy before playing the top players. The strategy works most of the time but sometimes it backfires when those low-ranked players start feeling the ball well and hitting great, winning sets and forcing him to lose more energy than desired.
 
UnforcedTerror said:
He never ever looks conservative at his best. He only looks this way when he plays low-ranked players in the early rounds because he doesn't want to expend much energy before playing the top players. The strategy works most of the time but sometimes it backfires when those low-ranked players start feeling the ball well and hitting great, winning sets and forcing him to lose more energy than desired.
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Someone on this forum who has more than one brain cell.
 
We've already seen how Alcaraz struggled like crazy with De Minaur just because of the flat trajectory, and Medvedev and Zverev absolutely destroyed Alcaraz.
He's got no future.
 
yessir said:
I mean Carlos makes other tennis players seem like toys and he is just 18 , he smashes them and dictate every point.
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Did he make Rafa look like a toy when he lost to him at Indian Wells? Did he dictate every point?

No.

And he's never played Djokovic, and I seriously doubt he'll make him look like a toy when they finally meet, hopefully on the clay in the coming weeks.

Bashing the ball as hard as you can every point isn't going to win many majors, or else Rublev would be winning them all. Nuance, slice, off speed balls, drop shots, changing it up.... that's the recipe for most ATG's, not mindlessly smashing every groundstroke. That's predictable and exploitable. Carlos has a world class drop shot already, he needs to work on adding more variety and unpredictability to his game. Hopefully he'll do that with JCF's help.
 
yessir said:
I wrote that on another forum actualy , thinking Medvedev will make his life hard.
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And Medvedev isn't as bad as people say on clay, made the RG quarters, so even there he may be a problem for Alcaraz.
RG will be hard for everyone to win in future, lots of the new stars are confident on clay, even the big-serving Berrettini has won 3 clay titles already and pushed Djokovic at RG.
 
yessir said:
Yes , I 've been watching Djokovic since 2010. When he plays with the top guys such as Federer , Nadal etc he blasts them , when he plays with the lower tier guys , he massages the ball. Still what you wrote was completely irrelevant to the thread. Lol.
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Man read my post again. I said that apart from the matches against the likes of hyper agressive players such as Federer, Wawrinka, Thiem etc, Djokovic outnumbers almost every other player in terms winners hit in a match, and yes, that includes Nadal as well.
 
The Big Foe fan said:
Man read my post again. I said that apart from the matches against the likes of hyper agressive players such as Federer, Wawrinka, Thiem etc, Djokovic outnumbers almost every other player in terms winners hit in a match, and yes, that includes Nadal as well.
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Pusher
 
His opponents do have to make adjustments to his signature combo of big groundstrokes and out of nowhere dropshots. Rune seemed inspired by that strategy against Zverev.
 
Broly4 said:
His opponents do have to make adjustments to his signature combo of big groundstrokes and out of nowhere dropshots. Rune seemed inspired by that strategy against Zverev.
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My point exactly , Rune did the same and blasted the world no3. So again for all the ****s that cant understand , will Alcaraz change the game?
 
yessir said:
Haha , when Nadal came to the game he was blasting the ball so what the other players did? (with Djokovic being the best at it). They began to stand 10 meter behind the baseline with big success on hard courts and little to no success on clay courts. Compared to Nadal , Carlos blasts the ball as hard and if you adapt and start standing 10m behind the baseline , you will get dropshotted to death. Nadal was never a finesse player , Carlos has magic hands. In my head , the only choice is to begin to blast the ball as hard.
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Nadal has better hands than Alcaraz. Nadal also has an incredible slice. Alcaraz, not so much.
 
BeatlesFan said:
Did he make Rafa look like a toy when he lost to him at Indian Wells? Did he dictate every point?

No.

And he's never played Djokovic, and I seriously doubt he'll make him look like a toy when they finally meet, hopefully on the clay in the coming weeks.

Bashing the ball as hard as you can every point isn't going to win many majors, or else Rublev would be winning them all. Nuance, slice, off speed balls, drop shots, changing it up.... that's the recipe for most ATG's, not mindlessly smashing every groundstroke. That's predictable and exploitable. Carlos has a world class drop shot already, he needs to work on adding more variety and unpredictability to his game. Hopefully he'll do that with JCF's help.
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Don't forget, Nadal was playing with a broken rib.

Did he make De Minor look like a toy when De Minor had match points?
Did he make Korda look like a toy when he lost to him?
Did he make Kecmanovic look like a toy, tiebreak in the 3rd?

Hyperbole train has gone wild...
 
weakera said:
Don't forget, Nadal was playing with a broken rib.

Did he make De Minor look like a toy when De Minor had match points?
Did he make Korda look like a toy when he lost to him?
Did he make Kecmanovic look like a toy, tiebreak in the 3rd?

Hyperbole train has gone wild...
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Man he is 18. 18.
 
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