Will Alcaraz change everything?

[weakera]

Man he is 18. 18.

Ok? So why do we have to lie, exaggerate and pretend he is making other players look like "toys?"

 

[yessir]

Ok? So why do we have to lie, exaggerate and pretend he is making other players look like "toys?"

Because he won two 500s and 1000 event and went to a semifinal of a 1000 event as well in a 3 month period at the age of 18. If this is an exaggeration then name to me the last 18 year old who has done a similar thing if you cant then it is not an exaggeration.

 

[weakera]

Because he won two 500s and 1000 event and went to a semifinal of a 1000 event as well in a 3 month period at the age of 18. If this is an exaggeration then name to me the last 18 year old who has done a similar thing if you cant then it is not an exaggeration.

Being 18 and winning a few titles is not equivalent to making other players look like toys, not when he also has multiple losses and close calls against lesser players like Kecmanovic and De Minor. Pointing out that he hasn't made other players look like "toys" doesn't represent a criticism of Alcaraz. Listing his results and then telling me, "if this is an exaggeration..." doesn't make any sense, so I'm thinking you don't understand what's being expressed here.

If you can't praise Alcaraz without being hyperbolic and irrational, that's a *you* problem.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

This kid is being grossly overrated and the second he loses a half a step of foot speed he's going to be just another glorified ball bashing UE machine.

I certainly don't overrate him, and lots of people here don't either. The hype doesn't spread to everyone, only people who judge everything based on recency bias. Kind of like kids who only listen to music that's in the charts.

Let's hope what you said won't happen though, because we need another big player, not another UE basher like Blake, Gonzales or Shapo. (As entertaining as those three are/were.)

 

[yessir]

Being 18 and winning a few titles is not equivalent to making other players look like toys, not when he also has multiple losses and close calls against lesser players like Kecmanovic and De Minor. Pointing out that he hasn't made other players look like "toys" doesn't represent a criticism of Alcaraz. Listing his results and then telling me, "if this is an exaggeration..." doesn't make any sense, so I'm thinking you don't understand what's being expressed here.

If you can't praise Alcaraz without being hyperbolic and irrational, that's a *you* problem.

It seems you cant understand the meaning of words , its actually funny since English is not my mother language. If i was implying that Alcaraz would win 10 grand slams that would be an exaggeration since it is purely an empirical estimation. In order to exaggerate you have to imply that something is extraordinary but in reality it has happened many times. Since an 18 years old hasnt produced that kind of results in the past , it surely isnt an exaggeration. Telling me that Korda and Nadal were the only guys to win him in the last 3 months , surely doesnt improve your thesis , tbh it makes it look silly.

 

[weakera]

It seems you cant understand the meaning of words , its actually funny since English is not my mother language. If i was implying that Alcaraz would win 10 grand slams that would be an exaggeration since it is purely an empirical estimation. In order to exaggerate you have to imply that something is extraordinary but in reality it has happened many times. Since an 18 years old hasnt produced that kind of results in the past , it surely isnt an exaggeration. Telling me that Korda and Nadal were the only guys to win him in the last 3 months , surely doesnt improve your thesis , tbh it makes it look silly.

You have made it clear that English is not your mother tongue. The exaggeration and only operative statement here is that Alcaraz has made other players look like "toys." I listed his more negative results and you wrote, "Man he is 18. 18," as if I was nitpicking his results as an 18-year old.

If your reading comprehension was adequate, you would have recognized that I was merely addressing the "toys" claim, which would only be a truthful one had he not had several blips on the radar over the last couple of months including two losses and close calls against lesser players.

Good luck next time.

 

[tex123]

IF , and that is a big IF , Carlos performs the same way on Grand Slams , meaning not getting tired on bo5 while smashing 100% the ball each time. , all other players will have to adapt and begin to strike big rather than playing this conservative Djokovic like tennis that ruled the past decade. I am watching Zverev right now against Rune and although he misses much , he strikes every ball with everything he has , which is not something Zverev does at all. Maybe he is trying something new? Dont know.
I mean Carlos makes other tennis players seem like toys and he is just 18 , he smashes them and dictate every point , despite Medvedev and his flat dragging cancer balls I cant see anyone else having fun against him in the near future. Maybe it is time for a change.

Also watching the game (Zverev vs Rune), Rune just dropshots the **** out of Zverev in any gentle ball Zverev throws at him , I guess the next next gen will begin to dropshot the baseline era to the death.

It's his mastery over drop shots at such a young age. Very difficult to guess for the opponent as they are preparing for the onslaught from both forehand and backhand wings. He has a pretty good kick serve that frustrated Tsitsipas. He seems like the full package only to get better. And he's lightning fast on the court! He seems to love balls coming at pace to him. So, anyone who tries to score flat winners will struggle against him. I was watching his match against Tsitsipas when Tsitsipas got frustrated and tried to hit through him and he came up with outrageous winners. The moment Tsit top spun his stops, he was less effective. It's just a case of finding the right balance for the opponents to beat him.

But at such a young age, he is a phenomenon.

 

[yessir]

You have made it clear that English is not your mother tongue. The exaggeration and only operative statement here is that Alcaraz has made other players look like "toys." I listed his more negative results and you wrote, "Man he is 18. 18," as if I was nitpicking his results as an 18-year old.

If your reading comprehension was adequate, you would have recognized that I was merely addressing the "toys" claim, which would only be a truthful one had he not had several blips on the radar over the last couple of months including two losses and close calls against lesser players.

Good luck next time.

Man , you dont know what you are talking about. Keep your insecurities to yourself , you are getting repetitive and boring.

Have fun in your miserable life.

 

[weakera]

Man , you dont know what you are talking about. Keep your insecurities to yourself , you are getting repetitive and boring.

Have fun in your miserable life.

 

[yessir]

 

[MichaelNadal]

The important thing to reflect in here is that Alcaraz changes everything. We are not anymore the persons we used to be before his explosive appearance.

Someone else understands

 

[Gt86]

He has already changed me

Alcaraz will win FO this season. Its a s clear as a bell to me

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

Djokovic is anything but conservative pusher lol.
Often he's the one with bigger winner count in most of the matches bar the ones against Federer, Wawrinka & Thiem etc

So barring against players that actually attack reliably, hahahihihoho.

 

[The Big Foe fan]

You are delusional

No you

 

[The Big Foe fan]

So barring against players that actually attack reliably, hahahihihoho.

Ohohihihahah

 

[ADuck]

I'd wager 'conservative Djokovic-like tennis' will still give everyone trouble if someone else manages to play that way...Djokovic at his best may LOOK conservative, but it's not.

One thing you cannot sense on television is the pressure depth, flat hitting, and change of direction puts on a player. Djokovic is the best ever at both.

He isn't a first-strike/serve+1 player like Roger and Rafa. Nah, he takes players to deep waters, makes them work the legs, side to side, feeling the depth. Players just drown in their own errors.

Angles/powerful winners = easy to appreciate. Very salient and exciting.
Depth/change of direction = hard to appreciate. You would have to play against it to feel its worth

Of course you can see that on television. If someone can't see what Djokovic does on tv, seeing him in real life unlikely is going to change their mind.

 

[Rattie]

Some feel he’s over hyped, others feel he won’t necessarily achieve greatness. It’s too early to say but he’s an exciting prospect for the future.
I got this from a subscription I have so will copy it here.

Carlos Alcaraz's legend grows with his every ATP Tour victory. From the start, former World No. 3 David Ferrer knew he was special. ​

Let's rewind to 2018, when a friend of David Ferrer's, Albert Molina, set up a hitting session between the 27-time ATP titlist and Carlos Alcaraz on the hard courts at the Javea Tennis Club. —Hey, Ferru, tomorrow a kid's coming from Murcia. —Ah, great. —He's 14. —14? —Yup, let me know what you think. "I'm not saying it to look clever, but right then I saw something special in him, something different to any other player," says Ferrer, who had spent practically the entirety of the previous decade in the Top 10. "If he didn't beat me, he was very close. It was surprising to see his ball speed, but above all that I couldn't hurt him with my flat ball. He used his hands very well and I could see that he was very fast. For that age he had very good footwork and it was very difficult to hit a winner against him." Ferrer is quite familiar with another once-precocious Spaniard – Rafael Nadal, whom he has faced 32 times. Though reluctant to draw parallels, he knows that comparisons between the two are inevitable, Consider this: both players... won their first Masters 1000 title at 18 broke into the Top 10 on April 25th – Carlos 17 years after Rafa. "I see similar things in terms of the premature capacity to learn and the ambition," says Ferrer. "That maturity in someone so young is not normal. Nor is the way he handles pressure, playing in big stadiums, playing an ATP Masters 1000 and not shying away from it. Normally there would be some stage fright, but neither he nor Rafa have had that. They're different.... "[Carlos] will be a player who has a chance to be the No. 1 in the world, he will have a lot of chances to win Grand Slams, but he has his whole career ahead of him." ​

 

[yessir]

What I mean is, unless you play tennis it's harder to appreciate that style, hence why people call him 'boring' or a 'pusher' and think that style of play is easy.

I do play tennis , I know that is much harder to be able to generate consistent depth no matter the situation( aggresive or defensive) then just smashing the ball , I know that he is the best ever in placing the ball , I know that this is the best way to drain your opponent down and making him lose his mind with unforced errors. I also know that despite Djokovic's strategic mindset being the best ever , when I pay I would like to see much more variety than constantly appreciating the fact that he is outplaying his opponents with depth. I cant understand why many people think they are smarter because they "understand" the strategic elements of Djokovic's game. To sum up , I find it boring and peeps that cant accept a person's opinion are complete re*****s.

 

[Kralingen]

I do play tennis , I know that is much harder to be able to generate consistent depth no matter the situation( aggresive or defensive) then just smashing the ball , I know that he is the best ever in placing the ball , I know that this is the best way to drain your opponent down and making him lose his mind with unforced errors. I also know that despite Djokovic's strategic mindset being the best ever , when I pay I would like to see much more variety than constantly appreciating the fact that he is outplaying his opponents with depth. I cant understand why many people think they are smarter because they "understand" the strategic elements of Djokovic's game. To sum up , I find it boring and peeps that cant accept a person's opinion are complete re*****s.

Post of the year lol.

 

[sportsfan1]

They will have to change something, bc he’s destroying everyone lol. Like you said, making em look like toys

Diminaur had match points at Barcelona I think against carlos and should have won if he didn't get tight. He was winning most of the long rallies by being consistent, Carlos was hitting ufes, running out of ideas and trying to shorten points including s&v. It was odd to see Carlos struggle against DM, seeing how he had recently dominated higher ranked players like ruud and tsistipas.