Will Alcaraz have a better career than Murray?

When it's all said and done, who will have the better career?

  • Alcaraz

    Votes: 61 87.1%
  • Murray

    Votes: 9 12.9%

  • Total voters
    70
  • Poll closed .

LetWinner

Semi-Pro
Most of the hope for Alcaraz is projection and hype because we haven't really seen in it in slams besides his win vs. Tsitsipas at the USO. I wanna see how far people are projecting him to go, though. It's ludicrous to even mention him with the Big 3 right now, and probably forever, but I feel like Murray is a decent benchmark considering what we've seen from Alcaraz level-wise and game-wise (not results wise yet). Murray's career is basically over, so there's no need to project on his career, just take what he has already done.
 
Murray has had a fantastic career and nothing Alcaraz does will take away from that, but I do think he'll win more slams than Murray. Murray was a talented youngster too but Alcaraz at 19 is better than Murray was at 19 and his potential looks higher from what I can see.
 

Gt86

Professional
Most of the hope for Alcaraz is projection and hype because we haven't really seen in it in slams besides his win vs. Tsitsipas at the USO. I wanna see how far people are projecting him to go, though. It's ludicrous to even mention him with the Big 3 right now, and probably forever, but I feel like Murray is a decent benchmark considering what we've seen from Alcaraz level-wise and game-wise (not results wise yet). Murray's career is basically over, so there's no need to project on his career, just take what he has already done.
If Alcaraz has half the career of the Big 3 he will be on 10 or 11 Majors. He clearly has the talent of the big 3.
It will be a huge shock if he doesn't have a far better career than Murray
 

Gt86

Professional
Murray has had a fantastic career and nothing Alcaraz does will take away from that, but I do think he'll win more slams than Murray. Murray was a talented youngster too but Alcaraz at 19 is better than Murray was at 19 and his potential looks higher from what I can see.
Huge difference between the 2 at 19 was Murray had no FHDTL (to this day its not great) and a very weak 2nd serve (to this day its not great).
Alcaraz has no such holes in his game. He hits too many UFEs but that will get cleaned up clearly.
 
Huge difference between the 2 at 19 was Murray had no FHDTL (to this day its not great) and a very weak 2nd serve (to this day its not great).
Alcaraz has no such holes in his game. He hits too many UFEs but that will get cleaned up clearly.
Yep, totally agree. The 'next gen' players look like they've seen a ghost, with regards to Alcaraz. He's re-shaped their vision of the future without Nadal and Djokovic due to his play already.
 

Terenigma

G.O.A.T.
Will a talented player who will spend almost his entire career avoiding the 3 greatest players to play the sport do better with his career than another talented player who peaked in the same era as the 3 greatest players to play the sport? It's pretty hard to bet against Alcaraz right now and winning 4 slams seems very reasonable given the state of the tour right now but you never know. If he shares Murray's passion for the sport then there is no doubt in my mind he will have a better career. IF.
 

LetWinner

Semi-Pro
LOL is this a joke? Murray has 3 slams. In all likelihood, Alcaraz is gonna top that in 2023
3 slams, 14 Masters, 2 singles gold medals 41 weeks at #1, 1 YE#1, 1 WTF/YEC

Alcaraz still hasn’t DONE much yet. Although his upside is obviously higher than Murray’s, and its impressive what he’s achieved at his age.
 
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Topspin_80

Semi-Pro
3 slams, 14 Masters, 2 singles gold medals 41 weeks at #1, 1 YE#1, 1 WTF/YEC

Alcaraz still hasn’t DONE much yet. Although his upside is obviously higher than Murray’s, and its impressive what he’s achieved at his age.
Andy was 21 when he won the first two masters.

Alcaraz won 1 at 18, and a 2nd at 19.

Alcaraz at 19 is way ahead of Andy at 19.

Nobody knows what the future has in store for Alcaraz, but so far, better than Andy.
 

Gt86

Professional
Yep, totally agree. The 'next gen' players look like they've seen a ghost, with regards to Alcaraz. He's re-shaped their vision of the future without Nadal and Djokovic due to his play already.
Alcaraz is definitely having an effect on Tsitispas and Zverev. They seem way more professional now and dialled In.
 

Curtennis

Professional
Part of the issue is that Alcaraz will not be competing with the likes of Roger, Rafa and Novak. Murray had his hands full.
who’s Alcaraz gonna have to beat at the slams? Ruud? Zverev? They’re not bad, but he’s not gonna have to face anything near the level of an all time great once Novak retires.
 

LetWinner

Semi-Pro
Andy was 21 when he won the first two masters.

Alcaraz won 1 at 18, and a 2nd at 19.

Alcaraz at 19 is way ahead of Andy at 19.

Nobody knows what the future has in store for Alcaraz, but so far, better than Andy.
Yes, but obviously how young someone does something doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll continue. Look at Hewitt. Yeah, Fed came along, but post 2005 he wasn’t even close to slam finals. He didn’t even make a slam SF after 2005. If he was making final after final and losing to Fed that would be a different story. The reality was just that he dropped off the face of the earth

And 2006 was his age 25 season, so its not like he got old all of a sudden
 

USMC-615

Semi-Pro
Alcaraz is definitely having an effect on Tsitispas and Zverev. They seem way more professional now and dialled In.
I’d agree with this…amazing what a little fear will do. They do seem to have upped their game a bit as of late, albeit Z will still live or die with that serve curse he’s toting around.
 
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Gt86

Professional
I’d agree with this…amazing what a little fear will do. They do seem to have upped their game a bit, albeit Z will still live or die with that serve curse he’s toting around.
I just don't get what Zverevs coaches are doing. His 2nd serve is terrible so unreliable that he may as well just hit two 1st serves. Better to DF hitting a 145 mph serve than dribbling a 70mph serve into the net.
 

USMC-615

Semi-Pro
I just don't get what Zverevs coaches are doing. His 2nd serve is terrible so unreliable that he may as well just hit two 1st serves. Better to DF hitting a 145 mph serve than dribbling a 70mph serve into the net.
I’d run the gun with two first serves as well.
 

Topspin_80

Semi-Pro
Yes, but obviously how young someone does something doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll continue. Look at Hewitt. Yeah, Fed came along, but post 2005 he wasn’t even close to slam finals. He didn’t even make a slam SF after 2005. If he was making final after final and losing to Fed that would be a different story. The reality was just that he dropped off the face of the earth

And 2006 was his age 25 season, so its not like he got old all of a sudden
Alcaraz at 19 better than Hewitt at 19.

After Nadal won his 3rd RG, in this forum they were announcing his death. 14 years on, he has 18 more GS.

As I said, nobody, knows what is in store for Alcaraz.

In the meantime, you can only pray Alcaraz doesn't surpass Andy's tally, but I don't think any prayer is going to help your case.
 

Gt86

Professional
I’d run the gun with two first serves as well.
I have problems with my 2nd serve. Technically I can't get the slice/top on it to give it safety on the 2nd serve. I nowadays just go for 2 first serves and hold most of my service games at my level as I'm so used to doing it it's now just 2nd nature . I'm not a professional player obviously but mentally surely the same applies at any level. The confidence in having a cracking at two big serves us so helpful. If Zverev just got it in his mindset he is going going for 2 first serves every match eventually he would be so confident serving.
 

Federev

Hall of Fame
Murrgoat had to sprint upon the mountains and graze whilst Federdalovic stomped on all his flowers.

Tiny Carlos (TM) just has Oldovic and Rafootal. Both soon enough to die upon said mountains from various Goat diseases.
 
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Mustard

Talk Tennis Guru
How do we know, at this point, that Alcaraz won't have the same problems with best of 5 sets that Zverev has had?
 

Lleytonstation

Talk Tennis Guru
Walruses are awesome. How dare you
How dare you. I have seen a lot of disinformation on ttw. I have seen a lot of bad takes... But saying walruses are awesome?

That is where I draw the line. The word itself is pine needle fodder. Walruses the plural is so uncool that if you think it's cool you are a certified pumpkin muffin luffer.
 

Midaso240

Hall of Fame
It's pointing towards Alcaraz atm. I don't like to make projections too much but he has the hunger to improve and win the biggest tournaments. I don't know about Med at this point, but he has well and truly market corrected Zverev and Tsitsipas the last matchups he's had with them so should have a fairly clear run of dominance in a couple of years as long as he keeps on his current trajectory
 

Nadal - GOAT

Semi-Pro
Most of the hope for Alcaraz is projection and hype because we haven't really seen in it in slams besides his win vs. Tsitsipas at the USO. I wanna see how far people are projecting him to go, though. It's ludicrous to even mention him with the Big 3 right now, and probably forever, but I feel like Murray is a decent benchmark considering what we've seen from Alcaraz level-wise and game-wise (not results wise yet). Murray's career is basically over, so there's no need to project on his career, just take what he has already done.
Murray was too much of a grinder and didn't have the point finishing weapons that Alcaraz has. Alcaraz should have a much better career than Murray.

I expect Alcaraz to make it to atleast 20 slam finals and win atleast 10 slams. Now whether he can reach the Big 3 level is something only time will tell. It is hard to predict how his game and fitness will evolve going into the late 20s early 30s. To get to the big 3 level he has to play well for another 10 years atleast.
 

RS

G.O.A.T.
Alcaraz is getting a bit overhyped I think :unsure:

It could happen but massive jumping the gun to think he is a 10+ slammer player without much info in slams yet.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Murray has had a fantastic career and nothing Alcaraz does will take away from that, but I do think he'll win more slams than Murray. Murray was a talented youngster too but Alcaraz at 19 is better than Murray was at 19 and his potential looks higher from what I can see.
Alcaraz at 19 is better than Murray bar 2012/2012/2016.
 
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