Will coaches react to the success of the 1hbh at the 2013 French Open?

Will coaches react to the success of the 1hbh at the 2013 French Open?

  • No, they will continue to force the 2hbh on all of their students

    Votes: 21 77.8%
  • Yes, they will realize the 1hbh is still viable and let their students choose what fits their game

    Votes: 6 22.2%

  • Total voters
    27

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As you know, 8 out of the 16 R4 players left in the men's draw are 1hbh's. To put that into perspective, there were not much more than 8 1hbh's in the draw to start with. There are not much than 8 1hbh's in the ATP top 100.

So nearly all those using the 1hbh have made it to the last 16. Statistically speaking, this suggests that if you are one of the few using a 1hbh you actually have an increased chance of making the last 16 of Roland Garros vs if you were one of the many with a 2hbh. Of course we can't go by stats, but still - food for thought.

And, obviously the French Open is played on clay and is best of 5 sets, so the bounce is high, most points are played from the baseline, and groundstroke reliability is critical. Much of the dogma around the 1hbh - that all 1hbh's are 'fragile', 'weak to high bounce', 'inconsistent' and 'prone to breaking down' has been proven untrue. What's more - it's been proven untrue by mostly older guys whose footwork must have declined. Of the 1hbh's in R16;

Almagro, Kohlschreiber, Wawrinka, Federer, Haas, Youzhny, Robredo and Gasquet...

...most of them are in their late 20's to mid 30's. Their footwork must have declined to some extent. Imagine how viable the 1hbh must be if even these old players with declining footwork can still beat a field of young, agile and peaking guys with 2hbh's?

The 1hbh seems to do best on clay. To contrast, last year's Wimbledon, only 4 1hbh's made the R16 - half the number here. Even on the women's side the trend holds true although there are much less 1hbh's on the women's side in general. 3 out of the 16 left in the draw at Roland Garros this year use 1hbh's, whereas it is usual for there to be 0 out of 16 left in the draw with 1hbh's at R16 of most women's Wimbledon's.

To summarize: there are only a handful of 1hbh's left on the tour, and most belong to aging, declining old men. Yet this same handful of aging, declining men have beaten most of the young, prime guys with 2hbh's in a best of 5 format in the highest-bouncing, most baseline-orientated surface there is - where the reliability of your backhand is placed on a premium.

The message has been sent out: the 1hbh still has a place in modern tennis.

Will coaches listen?
 
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One more BH thread from you... :lol:

No. Developing a 2HBH is still easier. Did you see more 1HBH after Sampras or Federer? Especially Sampras who ditched his two hander for a one hander late in his development. And remember, clay produces an unknown substance that reacts at the contact of any citizen of the USA and causes incredible allergies. Cause of this is still unknown.

Anyway, this isn't the only thing that USTA b*llsh!ts. They have more problems to solve before they think about one handers or two handers...
 
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One more BH thread from you... :lol:

No. Developing a 1HBH is still easier to develop. Did you see more 1HBH after Sampras or Federer? Especially Sampras who ditched his two hander for a one hander late in his development. And remember, clay produces an unknown substance that reacts at the contact of any citizen of the USA and causes incredible allergies. Cause of this is still unknown.

Anyway, this isn't the only thing that USTA b*llsh!ts. They have more problems to solve before they think about one handers or two handers...

not sure if the bolded part is a typo, but statistically speaking, coaches have had the mentallity that the 2hbh is easier to develop, they have for a while now. the 1hbh may be very rare in rising US players, but it's still in the staggering minority world wide.
 
not sure if the bolded part is a typo, but statistically speaking, coaches have had the mentallity that the 2hbh is easier to develop, they have for a while now. the 1hbh may be very rare in rising US players, but it's still in the staggering minority world wide.
Yes it's a typo. Going to correct this.
 
Sorry, OP. "succcess of the 1HBH at 2013 French Open" makes sense only if the winner has a 1HBH , which you know will not be the case.
Coaches groom their players to win slams, not just reach quarterfinals.
 
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I think players start very young these days.Most of them have Two handed FHs and BHs(from what i have seen).Its difficult for a young kid to play with a single hander.
 
1 handers are a disadvantage unless you have nearly perfected it


It can be just good, it has to be great
 
Two losses of 1HBH in the quarterfinals today. I expect two more, and no one-handed players in RG semis.

Likewise, I expected you to bump this thread.

You're the one who pointed out the age of the 1hbh'ers in the 1st place: 31, 31, 34 and 28 vs 28, 27, 26 and 31 - you tell me who the favorites were to progress to the semis. Even if both groups had 2hbh's - the second group clearly is the big favorite to go through.

It's just great that these washed up cripples with 1hbh's largely beat a young field with 2hbh's - of course they're too old to go all the way. Not bad for a stroke that apparently sucks on high bouncing surfaces and needs twice as inefficient footwork to play.

Netspirit, maybe when everyone on the ATP plays like Sharapova you can finally be happy with the state of men's tennis.
 
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No because all of them are guys that were brought up in the previous era.

The point was that the old guys with 1hbh's beat guys from this era with 2hbh's to make it that far. In fact the old guys with 1hbh's were disadvantaged to start with because of declining movement - esp. on clay.

Thus suggesting the decline of 1hbh has more to do with coaches not bothering to teach it than the 1hbh being inherently inferior.

I was wondering if this would change some coaches' attitude, but I guess not - after all, why not take the easier route when you need to make money at the end of the day.
 
The conditions at the start of the French Open weren't particularly great. Cold, damp, heavy etc, all conditions that cause the balls to bounce lower than usual, which benefits the one hander greatly as they no longer have to return balls at or above shoulder height.

One example isn't enough to draw conclusions on.
 
And now 2 guys with a 1hbh are left in the draw, and in the semi's all players will have 2 hbh's (Nadal-Djoko-Ferrer-Tsonga), which proves that 1hbh's should be avoided at all costs.
 
Thus suggesting the decline of 1hbh has more to do with coaches not bothering to teach it than the 1hbh being inherently inferior.

I was wondering if this would change some coaches' attitude, but I guess not - after all, why not take the easier route when you need to make money at the end of the day.

That's about as silly as saying that coaches don't teach S&V anymore because it's too hard.
 
0/5 for the loaded question and stupid and badly argued topic overall.

2HBH are here to stay because they are superior.
 
Not until some surfaces are sped up will the 1HBH be more popular. Though it isnt going away and extreme eastern grips can handle high balls... in fact they thrive on them (esp if the player is 6 ft +).
 
Two losses of 1HBH in the quarterfinals today. I expect two more, and no one-handed players in RG semis.

So, 12 sets were played in the semi-finals. The final score:

2HBH: 12
1HBH: 0

Great success of "high-topspin" 1HBH on the most topspin-friendly surface. Coaches should definitely react.
 
So, 12 sets were played in the semi-finals. The final score:

2HBH: 12
1HBH: 0

Great success of "high-topspin" 1HBH on the most topspin-friendly surface. Coaches should definitely react.

I was expecting this opportunistic bump. By the way, I can't wait for these dinosaurs such as Nadal and Djokovic with their antiquated one-handed forehands and one-handed serves to be replaced by the new generation of guys with two-handed forehands (2hfh) and two-handed serves (2hs). Two hands = more reliability, more stability = better, no? So why stop at backhands - make everything two handed.

But anyway, you're not getting it. There is no surprise that the older group of 1hbh'ers got demolished by the younger group of the 2hbh'ers.

The embarrassing thing was that the older, washed up, immobile, crippled group of veteran and senile 1hbh'ers beat a field of largely young and peak 2hbh'ers to get to the QF in the first place, despite their stroke apparently needing twice as much footwork to hit.

Of course they had burnt out by the time they reached the QF. But they had already proved their worth by that point. The damage had been done.
 
By the way, I can't wait for these dinosaurs such as Nadal and Djokovic with their antiquated one-handed forehands and one-handed serves to be replaced by the new generation of guys with two-handed forehands (2hfh) and two-handed serves (2hs). Two hands = more reliability, more stability = better, no? So why stop at backhands - make everything two handed.

If one day two-handed forehands and two-handed serves prove superior to one-handed forehands and one-handed serves the way the 2HBH proved superior to the 1HBH, I will be one of the first to acknowledge that.

Until then, this argument is asinine.
 
The conditions at the start of the French Open weren't particularly great. Cold, damp, heavy etc, all conditions that cause the balls to bounce lower than usual, which benefits the one hander greatly as they no longer have to return balls at or above shoulder height.

This is a good hypothesis.


Not until some surfaces are sped up will the 1HBH be more popular.

A lot of 1-handers seem to prefer slow courts. If anything, more clay would lead to more 1hbhs.

However, traditionally the 1hbh has been effective on fast courts, as we saw last year at Halle.

So for whatever reason, it seems the 1hbh is at its best on polarized conditions (and when Nadal isn't the opponent).
 
The conditions at the start of the French Open weren't particularly great. Cold, damp, heavy etc, all conditions that cause the balls to bounce lower than usual, which benefits the one hander greatly as they no longer have to return balls at or above shoulder height.

...and then it warmed up. During the Nadal/Wawrinka match, Brad Gilbert and ESPN pulled up a graph showing ball height on Nadal's forehand during week one and the QF. There was nearly a 2 foot difference in bounce.

I love the one handed backhand (when hit correctly). It's a smooth, classy stroke. I tinkered with the 1HB in high school for a year, but switched back. I feel like it did make my slice better. Personally, I don't teach the 1BH it to kids unless they ask me.
 
The best option would be a player who could do both. That would confuse the crap out of other players:) But yea the one handed is cool to watch but not effective in the long run in this modern day. No one shanks two handers like one handers. I think some of those shanks from Fed, and Haas are still in orbit.
 
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