Cause we haven’t seen it for the young guys lol. If anything the bodies are getting worse with the young guys. Alcaraz is barely 20 and he's already missed a slam (this years Aus Open) and lost at another one due to cramping. Djokovic played 51 consecutive slams until the 2017 US Open.
Why not actually come up with a reply instead of just saying that? Tell me, have you seen anything in the last 13 years that shows that the advancements in medicine and sports science has made the next generation better in longevity or endurance? We’ve seen how a number of young male players have openly said they’d prefer B03. We see cramping so much more than we did when I watched the sport growing up. The youngsters are missing slams and Masters all the time.
I wouldn’t go as far to say there will never “ever” be another tennis athlete with the body/lack of injuries as Novak but definitely agree it will be none of the currently active players.
That might be true for the “average” player but at the very top, which is what we are talking here, the gap of athleticism between different eras is always widely exaggerated. Guys like Wilt or Russel could compete with basketball players of today in terms of athletic ability, there are several track and field records from the 80s/90s still standing etc. Fact is it becomes obvious that nobody of the young players of today show signs that they can compete with Novak in terms of athleticism/lack of injuries and whether any of the next generations produces such a player remains to be seen. Apart from longevity and not getting injured such a player would also need to be extremely (GOAT level) talented to come anywhere close to Novak’s records. I would also not expect that there will be so much room anymore for physical improvements due to nutrition/advances in medicine etc. At some point, we will reach the limit.
Let's say to become an ATG you need at least 6 Slams:
I honestly thing he's done a great job to have split the meetings with him at 2-2, if Alcaraz won Cincinnati I think this would've been over, maybe Djokovic could've snatched one last AO or something.
Djokovic stayed around to try to overtake the records. If possible, he would try to stay long enough to pass Nadal's French Open haul of 14. But that's not going to happen. Everything else is attainable though.
Don’t try to tell me that I don’t understand the sporting world. You couldn’t even answer me that nothing in the last 13 years has given any indication that newer generations are improving in longevity or endurance. They’re getting worse. Nobody is coming anywhere close to what Djokovic did and does and it’s looking awful. Point to me to someone where people are looking good. Your playing in hypotheticals, I deal with reality.
Alcaraz has already missed a slam with injury and lost another one due to cramping. Djokovic played 51 slams straight. No athlete will come close to the body of Djokovic.
It’s possible but there is no guarantee. It will probably be broken but it maybe when we all gone, who knows?
Early on but not at this point. Players are approaching the human ceiling.
It’s hard to say either way. You are correct though. Alcaraz body seems vulnerable to injury so that’s a slight worry for him. He needs to manage his body better.
Is this a joke? Babe, Rod Laver retired at 37. That was in the 1970s. Yet you're acting like John Isner is the future for longevity? Oh and ISNER is your benchmark? Of all people? A servebot who barely moves on court? You're just showing how hilariously wrong you are.
I love what you're doing here. The feminist/woke kind of arguing that the left just loves.
It would be near impossible for any male slam champion to retire before the age of 30 since Djokovic and Nadal hold almost all the slams of the active players. Remove Cilic, Murray & Wawrinka who are 30+ and Thiem who is 30 in about 10 days and that leaves Medvedev and Alcaraz lmao.
It would be near impossible for any male slam champion to retire before the age of 30 since Djokovic and Nadal hold almost all the slams of the active players. Remove Cilic, Murray & Wawrinka who are 30+ and Thiem who is 30 in about 10 days and that leaves Medvedev and Alcaraz lmao.
And unsurprisingly you are still not understanding the point that NOBODY is getting close to Djokovic. No players body is holding up or will ever hold up to his. That's the clear thing here. I can't convince you otherwise.
Oh god, as soon as you said feminist/woke and "left" I just laughed. Your obsession with gender politics is so disturbing. The way you bring woke/feminism/the left into discussions that have nothing to do with it is concerning. Seek help babe.
I believe some numbers will be surpassed, any of the big 3 would have 500+ weeks, 50 masters and 30+ slams by now without the other two. Carlos have a lots of potential, if no other kid step up, everything is possible...
Oh god, as soon as you said feminist/woke and "left" I just laughed. Your obsession with gender politics is so disturbing. The way you bring woke/feminism/the left into discussions that have nothing to do with it is concerning. Seek help babe.
And just a cringe like from you @weakera. Thought you would be above such a thing.
Cause this is exactly what you're doing lol. Can't lose an argument when you have one example that disproves it, innit?Oh god, as soon as you said feminist/woke and "left" I just laughed. Your obsession with gender politics is so disturbing. The way you bring woke/feminism/the left into discussions that have nothing to do with it is concerning. Seek help babe.
And just a cringe like from you @weakera. Thought you would be above such a thing.
You don't know if it's true or not.
Russel and Wilt would still dominate today. Those guys were almost Olympic level in Decathlon. Russ high jumped more than 2 metres while Wilt played 48.5 minutes per game over a whole season at faster pace. Cannot see many (if any) player of today repeating that feat. As for skill level: keep in mind, that shoes, courts etc. were all crap compared to today, there were far stricter rules on travelling and far more lenient rules on fouls. Wilt and Russ would be ATGs in any era no question.
And in the long jump Mike Powell’s record from 1991 still stands and I think Bob Beamon’s 8.90 from 1968 to this day was only broken twice. 100 meters or swimming also largely depends on equipment so I wouldn’t read too much into it (have to admit though Bolt is a one in a billion talent and likely way above anyone in history regardless of better shoes etc.).
Djokovic comes from a country without much tennis tradition, Switzerland a country of 9 million people has produced two great players (one GOAT candidate) in the last 20 years while way bigger countries like the US or Germany haven’t produced anything. It is not as easy as saying larger talent pool = better players. Of course on average this holds true, but the emergence of a GOAT candidate depends so much on luck and circumstances that the differences are way smaller than one would expect. To think, that the best players of today are by default better than the best of the past only because the sport is more popular or because there are more people practicing it, is too simplistic.
I wonder if Nadalturds record of embarrassing themselves in social media showing bthrtness over Djokovic, will ever be broken
Era adjusted? I am a basketball rookie but still.
If the competition remains as bad as you say, and Alcaraz has no competition in his 30s from a younger ATG (which is what happened to Djokovic and Nadal), then he will obliterate their records.
Any interesting points to refute this? They might not be the absolute GOAT level players they were in the 60s but to think they would be role players is ridiculous. But waiting for your well thought-out arguments.
