Will Djokovic catch Nadal before Nadal catches Federer?

[Deleted member 756514]

Djokovic - 14
Nadal - 17
Federer - 20

Gap b/w Djokovic and Nadal is 3 while the same for Nadal and Federer is also 3. Which is more likely to happen? Djokovic catching Nadal's tally or Nadal catching Federer's tally?

 

[NEW_BORN]

Federer is more likely to catch father time than either of these events happening.

 

[Spencer Gore]

It's all down to Djokovic. If he returns and reaches his previous form, it's not impossible that he could catch both of them. He has the talent, and the opposition is currently weak. But that remains a big "if".

 

[Devin]

It's all down to Djokovic. If he returns and reaches his previous form, it's not impossible that he could catch both of them. He has the talent, and the opposition is currently weak. But that remains a big "if".

And that's a bad thing for Federer but not for Djokovic in this case? I thought you despised weak eras, right Spencer Bore?

 

[True Fanerer]

And that's a bad thing for Federer but not for Djokovic in this case? I thought you despised weak eras, right Spencer Bore?

Yep, then Djokovic would be a weak era GOAT huh? uh huh... didn't think that one out did ya? lol

 

[Spencer Gore]

Yep, then Djokovic would be a weak era GOAT huh? uh huh... didn't think that one out did ya? lol

When did I say Djokovic was the GOAT, or would be? Until someone wins the Grand Slam at least once, that crown belongs to Rod Laver.

 

[Semidios]

From most likely to less likely:

Nadal catching Federer
None
Djokovic catching Nadal
Djokovic catching Federer

 

[fedtennisphan]

It's all down to Djokovic. If he returns and reaches his previous form, it's not impossible that he could catch both of them. He has the talent, and the opposition is currently weak. But that remains a big "if".

Hypocrite. I knew the “weak era” argument was only held for Federer because Nadal and Djokovic fans are desperate for both players to be mentioned in the same breathe as Federer.

 

[EdSWright]

Don't know.

 

[fedtennisphan]

When did I say Djokovic was the GOAT, or would be? Until someone wins the Grand Slam at least once, that crown belongs to Rod Laver.

Come off it, these circular arguments about the GOAT are just an elaborate attempt to find any player to keep Federer from being considered GOAT.

 

[Zeref]

Federer will catch 25.

 

[Semidios]

Federer will catch 25.

Fed won 4 slam on the present decade and now suddenly he is winnig 6 more.That stuff must be good.

 

[Spencer Gore]

Hypocrite. I knew the “weak era” argument was only held for Federer because Nadal and Djokovic fans are desperate for both players to be mentioned in the same breathe as Federer.

Could you repeat that in English?

 

[Zeref]

Fed won 4 slam on the present decade and now suddenly he is winnig 6 more.That stuff must be good.

Lol I m just fanboying

However If Djoker doesn't return as Djokovic3.0,there might be a slim chance of 3/4 slams given how terribly weak the Lost Gen and New Gen is.

 

[Semidios]

Lol I m just fanboying

However If Djoker doesn't return as Djokovic3.0,there might be a slim chance of 3/4 slams given how terribly weak the Lost Gen and New Gen is.

Ok, you never know on TT.

 

[fedtennisphan]

Could you repeat that in English?

HYPOCRITES!!!!

 

[fedtennisphan]

Ok, you never know on TT.

It would be funny if Federer did reach 25. The fanboys on this forum would have a collective meltdown.

 

[Semidios]

It would be funny if Federer did reach 25. The fanboys on this forum would have a collective meltdown.

IMO.AO and W are likely if healthy.Beyond that he will be on his late 30's and will be difficult even for him.

 

[fedtennisphan]

IMO.AO and W are likely if healthy.Beyond that he will be on his late 30's and will be difficult even for him.

Difficult, but not impossible.

 

[Semidios]

Difficult, but not impossible.

That would be insane.If I'm not mistaken nobody has won a slam in his late 30's since the days of Ken Rosewall.

 

[tennis_pro]

Let's talk after the Australian Open.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Federer will catch 25.

He's more likely to father 25 children than to win 25 majors.

 

[Comb Over Champion]

Nothing will happen. Fed will end with 20/21, Nadal with 18/19, and Djokovic with 16/17.

 

[Phoenix1983]

The ordering of the men always has been, and always shall be the same:

1. Federer, the GOAT

2. Nadal

3. Novak Djokovic



4. Sir Andy Murray

 

[BeatlesFan]

The ordering of the men always has been, and always shall be the same:

1. Federer, the GOAT

Just playing Devil's advocate, what if Rafa goes on a tear and wins the next 8 slams and Fed wins nothing more? Rafa would have two CYGS's at 32-33 and have 24 majors. Fed is not GOAT anymore under that (bizarre) hypothetical.

 

[merlinpinpin]

Just playing Devil's advocate, what if Rafa goes on a tear and wins the next 8 slams and Fed wins nothing more? Rafa would have two CYGS's at 32-33 and have 24 majors. Fed is not GOAT anymore under that (bizarre) hypothetical.

And should Zverev or Tiafoe win the 40 next slams, that would be moot anyway, wouldn't it?

 

[Slightly D1]

Djokovic has a fair chance to overcome Federer and Nadal, it will just depend on how 2018 goes. If he comes back and isn't winning it wouldn't shock me if he retires before he turns 32.

 

[Spencer Gore]

Just playing Devil's advocate, what if Rafa goes on a tear and wins the next 8 slams and Fed wins nothing more? Rafa would have two CYGS's at 32-33 and have 24 majors. Fed is not GOAT anymore under that (bizarre) hypothetical.

Switch the AO rest day this year and Nadal wins 3 of the 4 slams. So anything is possible in this weird era.

 

[ibbi]

Do we even know if Djokovic can still win a major?

 

[yatestwile]

From most likely to less likely:

Nadal catching Federer
None
Djokovic catching Nadal
Djokovic catching Federer

I agree with those except I probably would switch None and Nadal catching Federer in order of likelihood. Djokovic catching Nadal is definitely most unlikely when he is 4 slams behind, they are almost the same age, and he is struggling more than Nadal at the moment. And of course Djokovic catching Federer last.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Djokovic has a fair chance to overcome Federer and Nadal

Please explain how a man who will be 31 years old in 6 months is going to win eight more majors to overtake Federer.

 

[yatestwile]

Please explain how a man who will be 31 years old in 6 months is going to win eight more majors to overtake Federer.

I do not think Djokovic will pass Federer in slam wins, but all age rules might as well go out the window in this era. The game has never been older, both mens and womens. Serena winning 10 slams in her 30s, pervious journeymen (and journeywomen) making huge breakthroughs, sometimes to slam wins, at 30ish or over 30. Almost everyone in the top 15, especialy in the mens game, being in their 30s, atleast until recently. Then again I dont know if that is a permanent or long term change, or just a byproduct of the 90-93 generation being the most talentless group in history (in both the mens and womens games).

 

[helterskelter]

I agree with those except I probably would switch None and Nadal catching Federer in order of likelihood. Djokovic catching Nadal is definitely most unlikely when he is 4 slams behind, they are almost the same age, and he is struggling more than Nadal at the moment. And of course Djokovic catching Federer last.

Does "Nadal catching Federer" mean "Nadal equals Federer" or "Nadal betters Federer"? I'd have thought there's a decent chance that Nadal and Federer end up on the same number of Slam wins.

 

[yatestwile]

Does "Nadal catching Federer" mean "Nadal equals Federer" or "Nadal betters Federer"? I'd have thought there's a decent chance that Nadal and Federer end up on the same number of Slam wins.

I feel the same way. I could see Nadal maybe tieing Federer in slam wins, overtaking seems a lot harder. Making up 3 slams is a lot more plausible than 4.

I do wonder how people will compare them if they are the same number of slams. I am sure it will make for a lot of heated debates.

 

[helterskelter]

I feel the same way. I could see Nadal maybe tieing Federer in slam wins, overtaking seems a lot harder. Making up 3 slams is a lot more plausible than 4.

I do wonder how people will compare them if they are the same number of slams. I am sure it will make for a lot of heated debates.

It also depends on whether Federer's total is a moving target or stays at 19. Even just one more Wimbledon or Australian Open would be a big help to him. I'm confident Nadal will win two more titles at Roland Garros, if not more. So Federer probably still has work to do.

 

[hann7]

When did I say Djokovic was the GOAT, or would be? Until someone wins the Grand Slam at least once, that crown belongs to Rod Laver.

Hilarous comment. Thats why GOAT doesnt really exist. GOAT of an era does. Plus I dont think Laver was GOAT, theres some guy who was playing 150 years ago who was better then Laver, and feder etc too. If they had cameras it would prove it. He makes federer, nadal etc look like juniors

He is true GOAT

 

[helterskelter]

I feel the same way. I could see Nadal maybe tieing Federer in slam wins, overtaking seems a lot harder. Making up 3 slams is a lot more plausible than 4.

I do wonder how people will compare them if they are the same number of slams. I am sure it will make for a lot of heated debates.

Right now, the bookmakers have Federer as favorite for both the Australian Open and Wimbledon in 2018, but only narrowly. They have Djokovic as narrow favorite for the US Open. They have Nadal, of course, as firm favorite for Roland Garros: his odds are about even, which means his chances are about 50%.

 

[uscwang]

Right now, the bookmakers have Federer as favorite for both the Australian Open and Wimbledon in 2018, but only narrowly. They have Djokovic as narrow favorite for the US Open. They have Nadal, of course, as firm favorite for Roland Garros: his odds are about even, which means his chances are about 50%.

I'm surprised that Fed is considered the favorite for AO 2018. He struggled through 3 difficult 5 setters with as many MTOs (?) to win this year without having to play the top 2 players at AO in this decade.

 

[Slightly D1]

Please explain how a man who will be 31 years old in 6 months is going to win eight more majors to overtake Federer.

There is hardly any legitimate competition if he returns in form. Aside from Federer and Nadal the guy could reasonably have 4 to 5 more seasons of high level tennis. Like I said though, it really depends on how 2018 goes. Lets say Fed is done winning majors for whatever reason, if Djokovic wins 2 in 2018 then 6 over the next 3 seasons is not an impossible task unless some next gen guys really fill out.

 

[fedtennisphan]

There is hardly any legitimate competition if he returns in form. Aside from Federer and Nadal the guy could reasonably have 4 to 5 more seasons of high level tennis. Like I said though, it really depends on how 2018 goes. Lets say Fed is done winning majors for whatever reason, if Djokovic wins 2 in 2018 then 6 over the next 3 seasons is not an impossible task unless some next gen guys really fill out.

So in other words, you are hoping the competition is weak so Djokovic can get a lot GS titles. Hypocrisy at its finest. So let’s hope Federer isn’t done winning GS to foil your hypocritical and desperate plan.

 

[fedtennisphan]

I'm surprised that Fed is considered the favorite for AO 2018. He struggled through 3 difficult 5 setters with as many MTOs (?) to win this year without having to play the top 2 players at AO in this decade.

Nobody cared about Murray or Djokovic until Nadal failed to stop Federer.

 

[moonballs]

Nobody is catching Federer. I surely hope Djokovic fo catch Nadal.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

The ordering of the men always has been, and always shall be the same:

1. Federer, the GOAT

2. Nadal

3. Novak Djokovic



4. Sir Andy Murray

1. Fed.
2. Nadal.
3. Djokovic.






























4. Andy Murray.
5. Wawrinka.

 

[Fedinkum]

If Djoke catches up Rafa, Djoke has a great chance to pass fed.

 

[Mugu]

Federer will catch 25.

sorry. Fed will end right where he's at now - 19.

 

[merwy]

When did I say Djokovic was the GOAT, or would be? Until someone wins the Grand Slam at least once, that crown belongs to Rod Laver.

That's such a silly argument. Win 4 grand slams in one year and you're automatically GOAT. Doesn't matter what the rest of your career looks like. So if Kyrgios suddenly decides to focus for one year and the field is so weak that he wins every major, he's now a GOAT contender? Such an overrated stat. Novak wins 4 in a row but it happens to be outside a calendar year so it doesn't count.

 

[merwy]

I think these guys will stop winning grand slams in the near future. I know how great these 3 are, but the weak field is starting to become less weak by the month and in some time they will (finally) have caught up to the level of the Big 4. The Lost Gen is starting to get there, with Dimi, Thiem, Goffin, Edmund and Sock playing really well, Nishi still a contender when healthy and Kyrgios always dangerous. The Next Gen is only getting stronger with Zverev at the top of the game, and guys like Chung, Rublev, Khachanov, Coric and Shapo following. Then you have the rising stars like FAA and Kecmanovic. They're all hungry and wanting to take the reign away from Fedal, whom are getting old and looking vulnerable. Although Fedal might have looked unbreakable this year, it's only obvious that his can't last for long. Not with all these guys gunning for their spot and old age catching up to them.

 

[tennisfanboy]

Switch the AO rest day this year and Nadal wins 3 of the 4 slams. So anything is possible in this weird era.

So Rafa needed 1 extra day's rest (at the cost of 1 day less rest for you know who) to beat a 35yr old granddad weak era fraud Federer who already played two 5 setters leading up to the final. Heights of delusion this.

 

[The_Order]

So Rafa needed 1 extra day's rest (at the cost of 1 day less rest for you know who) to beat a 35yr old granddad weak era fraud Federer who already played two 5 setters leading up to the final. Heights of delusion this.

Fed very lucky.

 

[merlinpinpin]

Fed very lucky.

He definitely is (he won, so he must be, obviously, as not-unlucky Nadal is undefeated when he wins). But his luck in getting an extra day of rest as AO was nothing compared to the draw that enabled him to win the USO without facing a single top 25 player, which has probably never happened in the history of the game, even during the amateur days (not in the Open Era, anyway). Oh wait.