veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Look at the list of guys who beat him all those years he didn't make the RG final... And no, it's not just Fed and Nadal...
Will Djokovic end up with a better career than Nadal ?
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Look at the list of guys who beat him all those years he didn't make the RG final... And no, it's not just Fed and Nadal...
Gonzo_style
Hall of Fame
On RED clay!
Clarky21
Banned
I'm not talking about in the past; I am talking about now. So,again,who is going to beat him there in the future?
Gonzo_style
Hall of Fame
Let's say Del Potro have a chance, logical choice would be JWT but i wouldn't be surprised if Djokovic beat him next time in RG in 3 easy sets...
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
lol Seppi was 2 sets to 0 up, Tsonga had 4 match points. Basically draw a name out of a hat. Djokovic could win RG or he could lose to anyone. He's getting older, picking up more milage :lol: US Open proved he's already declined from the AO this year
Gonzo_style
Hall of Fame
Clarky21
Banned
Really? So you think Melzer,Kohlslaw,and company are going to beat Cvac at RG these days? You have got to be kidding me,Vero. :lol:
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Sure. Why not? Djoko has always shown vulnerability at RG. Not that he cannot win it. He can, no doubt. But he's also plenty beatable there.
Clarky21
Banned
:lol: No way,Towser. Just because he's not double bageling folks doesn't mean he's declining. You're just being silly saying things like that.
90's Clay
Banned
It took Fed playing out his skin, and the clay GOAT to take out Djoker at RG the last two years.. Rest assured, Nadal won't be around forever.. And Fed isn't going to play out of skin at the French vs. Djoker again.
And there is no one else right now, besides Nadal who can take Nole out at the French.. Nole has a good half a dozen chances to grab a few French Open titles. Unless people think Nadal will continue his domination at the French for another 4-6 years.. That aint happening
The clay field is pretty weak right now.. Even Murray sucks on clay.. So that leaves Djoker with a TON more opportunities
And there is no one else right now, besides Nadal who can take Nole out at the French.. Nole has a good half a dozen chances to grab a few French Open titles. Unless people think Nadal will continue his domination at the French for another 4-6 years.. That aint happening
The clay field is pretty weak right now.. Even Murray sucks on clay.. So that leaves Djoker with a TON more opportunities
Clarky21
Banned
Because it's ridiculous to suggest those guys are going to outlast him in a best of 5 match. They would be fortunate to push him to a tiebreaker,and taking even just one set would take an intervention from God himself. They will never,ever beat Cvac at a slam again.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Lol you're funny. Djoko got beaten in slams this year (and every year that was not 2011) and he will get beaten again and no alien or supernatural intervention will be required
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
I'm just using your logic. Nadal winning MC, Rome, Barca and RG dropping only one set and he's apparently declining. I guess cos he needs to win them all in straight sets tripple bagelling people. He's a hardcourt mug who always needed a miracle to beat Djokovic according to you but pushing Djokovic to the edge in IW, Miami and AO apparently means he's declining..
And you must be able to see Djokovic had a long 5 set with Murray at the US open and then beat Nadal in 6 hours, but at the US Open he couldn't outlast Murray in the final. 2011 was his peak and he will never play like that again.
Clarky21
Banned
Lol you're funny. Djoko got beaten in slams this year (and every year that was not 2011) and he will get beaten again and no alien or supernatural intervention will be required
Barely. He's practically unbeatable in best of 5 matches,and has been for nearly 2 years now.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
He is a big favourite to make the final every year but he can be beaten and was almost beaten by Seppi and Tsonga. So he is not totally immune to a shock loss. Let's not forget in 2011 Bellucci and Murray almost beat him in Rome. Djokovic is a good clay court player but he is not safe from being upset
Clarky21
Banned
Nadal IS hardcourt mug. He sucks on hc and always will. He was very fortunate to win what he has on hc because of it.
I definitely disagree with that. I think we will see Cvacman again starting at the AO next year. I have no doubt in my mind about that.
Clarky21
Banned
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
yeah, he's won 1 out of the last 4 slams and was a break down in the final set of the only one he did win. 2 of his losses didn't even go to a 5th.
That's the poorest use of the words "barely" and "practically". You should look them up in a dictionary
Well if he was always a mug on hardcourt who needed a miracle to beat djokovic, what exactly is your complaint about his 2011-2012 hc losses to Djokovic? He lost as a mug should have. What was your expectations is he's such a mug?
You mean he played even worse than his usual mug level but somehow managed to give Djokovic harder matches than he did 2007-2009?
No he isn't. He lost to his "pigeon" Tipsy on clay this year.
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veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Clarky: What do you mean "barely"? It didn't even take grandpa Fed 5 sets to beat him at RG and Wimby. (and Novak was very close to losing at AO to both Murray and Nadal) Anyway, when Rafa is done winning RGs which should be in 8 years or so (haha), I hope Djoko will get one. He has shown great effort on clay. Maybe Delpo will get one too.
3fees
G.O.A.T.
Its an uphill battle,however he has a chance, in Slams and elsewhere
Nadal : In Slams -Finals: 16 (11 titles, 5 runners-up),2003-2012
Nole : In Slams- Finals: 9 (5 titles, 4 runners-up),2005-2012
Federer: In Slams-Finals: 24 (17 titles, 7 runners-up)1998-2012
Nole will set records in Pro tennis,,no doubt, If he stays healthy he'll pass nadal in slams ,,to pass federer he would have to stay around a longer time,,,lol
Nadal : In Slams -Finals: 16 (11 titles, 5 runners-up),2003-2012
Nole : In Slams- Finals: 9 (5 titles, 4 runners-up),2005-2012
Federer: In Slams-Finals: 24 (17 titles, 7 runners-up)1998-2012
Nole will set records in Pro tennis,,no doubt, If he stays healthy he'll pass nadal in slams ,,to pass federer he would have to stay around a longer time,,,lol
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Gonzo_style
Hall of Fame
With a little more luck they could...
TheFifthSet
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TheFifthSet
Legend
There are lots of people. I say this as a Djokovic fan.
Clarky21
Banned
Hilarious. Nadal has only won 2 out of the last 8 slams yet you don't think he's past his prime and in decline. You then turn around and say Cvac is declining because he has won only 1 slam out of the last 4. Last year Nadal only won 1 slam out of the 4 as well but you insisted he was still in his prime while he was losing over and over again. Funny how the rules change when it comes to your favorite player. :lol:
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
I said Djokovic wasn't practically unbeatable because he had lost in 3 out of 4 slams. I didn't ever say Nadal was practiaclly unbeatable or barely lost in a slam while last year,or any year, so your point fails.
And the decling stuff was taking the ****, sarcastically copying you :lol: I do think he peaked in 2011 and will never reach that level again, and I do think he's not as good as he was even at the AO this year meaning that he will probably be more likely to be upset than he was this year where he almost lost to seppi and Tsonga at RG, but I still think he has a few years of winning slams.
Also you still can't make up your mind who my favourite player even is, so once again you are confused.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
I don't think ANYONE other that clarky thinks Novak is unbeatable. Let's be serious, please. He just lost to Querrey
Clarky21
Banned
Sure it was. :lol:
No. Just no,no,no. You don't really believe that anyway.
Huh? I know you're a ******* and a Cvactard. They are both you're your favorites so I don't see the problem in addressing them as such.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
It was clarky,sorry you didn't see that.
And how does Djokovic fallaway totally in the 5th set of the US Open if he was as good as in the AO 2012? He doesn't have the same stamina which could be aslight decline from his absolute peak.
No, you claim I'm a ********* who isn't a federer fan, then claim the opposite.
Basically I argue with you, with veroniquem, with NadalAgassi, with GodNovak, F1Bob, have argued with Monfed and I'm over in one of macenroeartist's threads saying he's being biased towards Federer and against Nadal. I'm also having an argument with gonzo because I say Murray who I dislike is better on indoor hard than Djokovic.
I have my favourites but I'm not a ****. But everyone who doesn't agree with you is a ****, despite the fact you are just a weird variety of *******.
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Clarky21
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I don't think ANYONE other that clarky thinks Novak is unbeatable. Let's be serious, please. He just lost to Querrey
I thought that was a tankjob. Look at all the Cvactards,and several *******s who argued till they were blue in the face that it was.
Clarky21
Banned
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Clarky21
Banned
I'll admit that I don't think it was a tankjob,either. I still think Cvac is nearly unbeatable in slams,though.
Clarky21
Banned
I'd tell you what I think,but you'll just insult my sanity again so I won't.
When did I say that? I know you like them both.
You think I am a *******? I am harsh on Nadal and never hero worship him so how do I qualify as a *******?
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
As I recall, you argued that it wasn't a tankjob as well.
Clarky21
Banned
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
well you can say what you think happened if you like. Tbh I think he put too much into the first 2 sets that he lost and didn't have enough in the 5th (maybe more mentally) I do think from AO 2011 to AO2011 Djokovic just had more to give, but that wasn't a normal level anyway so I'm fine with him dropping his level a bit.
Nah,I said to you before Federer is my favourite player and you basically said i was talking BS.
Yeah you're hard on Nadal even if he steam rollers everyone. You're hard on him when he wins slams dropping only one set. You maintain he is playing total garbage. You claim he is a hardcourt mug but then get annoyed with him when he narrowly loses to "the best hardcourt player in the world" - what did you expect?
Basically what this implies is unless Rafa wins every single event he enters, you can only explain it by claiming he is playing to 1% of his ability. Every time he loses he was playing bad blah blah blah. You are a ******* because you can't except he can have any loss unless he is playing terribly. And you come up with rubbish like djokovic being the best hc player in 2010to bolster nadal's US Open win.
Also i think the 7 losses to Djokovic will never leave you no matter what Nadal has or will achieve, so that's where all the negativity comes from. You'd rather he actually never made those finals.
Btw a lot of the posts you and I argue about is me saying Djokovic won't ever match up to nadal, that he won't do this and that, we're arguing here about him being a sure bet for RG, so how does that make ME a *********? Just using your logic.
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Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
Please refer to post 231. Having trouble making up your mind? How shocking.
Clarky21
Banned
When is the last time Nadal steam rolled anyone? Seriously,it's been years so I don't really think that matters.
Again,he IS a hardcourt mug. He has been hilariously bad on hc throughout his entire career,losing again and again to even the biggest of mugs. Do you think he's a top hardcourt player? If you say yes you have got to be kidding me.
I never said he had to win everything he enters. Where you got that from is a mystery to me.
You got that right. I'd rather someone else make those finals so Cvac had to actually work to win all those titles. They were gifted to him on a silver platter by Nadal's lousy play. Nadal also has zero business being in a hc final against Cvac anywhere at anytime or else it's only going ot yet another title for Cvac.
I meant in the popularity department. It's true that he will never be as popular as Nadal or Fed. I think that probably bugs someone that thrives on attention like Cvac does.
DunlopDood
Semi-Pro
Yes, because Nadal's body can't keep up with his game.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
Last time he steamrollered someone? Try everyone in clay season. Djokovic 6-1 6-3, Ferrer 7-6 6-0 and 6-2 6-2 6-1, Monaco who you thought would trouble him - 6-2 6-0 6-0 :shock:
And again if he's always been such a hardcourt mug, what did you expect him to do vs Djokovic in IW, Miami, US Open AO? Considering he's so terrible, against prime Novak he did BETTER than you could expect. So all your talk of him playing WORSE then ever is just being sore because you hate the fact he lost to Djokovic.
Well whenever he doesn't win anything you maintain it was because he was mugging it up etc. Even when he wins easily you are never happy. That's basically excuse making - nadal didn't win 6-0 6-0 oh he was playing badly
The thing about djokovic is not quite what i meant.My point is if you criticising nadal means you're not a ******* then me criticising Djokovic means i'm not a *********.
Clarky21
Banned
I would rather he just retired since his body can't hack it anymore. If he doesn't quit now he's gonna be hobbling around like he's 90 years old by the time he's 30. He can't compete anymore anyway,so he should cut his losses now while he still can.
Clarky21
Banned
Nah,some of those matches were closer than the score indicates. He still managed to mug it up at times during those matches as well. He hasn't been dominant anywhere in years.
I never expected him to beat Cvac anywhere much less on hc. That's why I said he doesn't belong in any final against Cvac on hc(or anywhere for that matter) because he is only giving Cvac a bye to yet another title by being there.
When does Nadal ever win easy? Every match he plays is long and a grindfest because he refuses to be aggressive. The way his body is breaking down is proof enough of that.
When did you ever criticize Cvac? If you did it must have been because he lost to Nadal(even though he shouldn't have). Lol.
Clarky21
Banned
TheFifthSet
Legend
Ok, now I've lost hope that Clarky is merely a misguided but earnest poster. Clearly, she is pulling everyones leg. No point in even arguing with her.
The Bawss
Banned
Clarky has been a closet ******** for ever.
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