Will Djokovic ever beat Nadal again? Was Jan 2012 the end of his success vs Nadal?

VAMOSDNA

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Will Djokovic ever beat Nadal again? Was Jan 2012 the end of his success vs Nadal? Nadal has won their last 3 meetings and Djokovic has won a total of one set (and it was when the court was drenched).
 

VAMOSDNA

Banned
Djokovic only has won the US Open once, and Nadal didn't play well at all in that 2011 Final, so even there it would be tough for Djokovic. And Murray beat Djokovic at the US Open last year. Australian Open or bust, and that was a 6 hour marathon.
 

Love_No1e

New User
Are there any reasonable Nadal fans? It's one extreme to the other isn't it?? Of course Novak will beat Nadal again, even if the next few clay matches go Nadal's way do you think Novak will just sit there twiddling his fingers not making different plans, thinking up different strategies to beat him?? The way Nadal did after his consecutive losses??
 

Anaconda

Hall of Fame
On clay, sure, although Djokovic can win. On grass, Nadal needs to think about Rosol and co before thinking about Djokovic. As for hard courts, Djokovic is clearly superior so that one isn't even up for debate.
 

Feather

Legend
Are there any reasonable Nadal fans? It's one extreme to the other isn't it?? Of course Novak will beat Nadal again, even if the next few clay matches go Nadal's way do you think Novak will just sit there twiddling his fingers not making different plans, thinking up different strategies to beat him?? The way Nadal did after his consecutive losses??

Why blame Nadal fans?

There are Nadal fans, there are Federer fans, there are Djokovic fans, there are fans for other players, then there is Bullzilla and his armada of accounts!

NASA is conducting research to find out whose fan Bullzilla actually is :wink:
 

Clarky21

Banned
Are there any reasonable Nadal fans? It's one extreme to the other isn't it?? Of course Novak will beat Nadal again, even if the next few clay matches go Nadal's way do you think Novak will just sit there twiddling his fingers not making different plans, thinking up different strategies to beat him?? The way Nadal did after his consecutive losses??

Newflash: The OP is NOT a Nadal fan. He is a Fedt*rd in disguise.
 
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VAMOSDNA

Banned
Are there any reasonable Nadal fans? It's one extreme to the other isn't it?? Of course Novak will beat Nadal again, even if the next few clay matches go Nadal's way do you think Novak will just sit there twiddling his fingers not making different plans, thinking up different strategies to beat him?? The way Nadal did after his consecutive losses??

The way Djokovic beat Nadal in the past was by going flat down the line, but now Nadal isn't leaving the line open as much these days, because Nadal is playing less inside-out forehands and using his backhand a lot more effectively. Good luck finding another strategy to beat Nadal with. These guys have an extensive rivalry, and there are no secrets left I suspect.
 

Love_No1e

New User
Why blame Nadal fans?

There are Nadal fans, there are Federer fans, there are Djokovic fans, there are fans for other players, then there is Bullzilla and his armada of accounts!

NASA is conducting research to find out whose fan Bullzilla actually is :wink:

Sorry, you're absolutely right. There are some silly fans in every fanbase.
 

VAMOSDNA

Banned
On clay, sure, although Djokovic can win. On grass, Nadal needs to think about Rosol and co before thinking about Djokovic. As for hard courts, Djokovic is clearly superior so that one isn't even up for debate.

It took Djokovic 6 hours in the 2012 AO final. And that was when Nadal was leaving the down-the-line wide open. Now Nadal isn't playing as many inside-out forehands and is attacking with his backhand. Good luck....
 

Love_No1e

New User
The way Djokovic beat Nadal in the past was by going flat down the line, but now Nadal isn't leaving the line open as much these days, because Nadal is playing less inside-out forehands and using his backhand a lot more effectively. Good luck finding another strategy to beat Nadal with. These guys have an extensive rivalry, and there are no secrets left I suspect.

So what you're saying is, no one is ever beating Nadal again? Lucky you! You can start your celebrations for a double Rafa Slam already.
 

Anaconda

Hall of Fame
It took Djokovic 6 hours in the 2012 AO final. And that was when Nadal was leaving the down-the-line wide open. Now Nadal isn't playing as many inside-out forehands and is attacking with his backhand. Good luck....

Nadal was lucky Djokovic didn't win in 4, maybe even straights. Nadal played his best match ever on hard, Djokovic was very sloppy at times and was shattered. I don't see Nadal beating Djokovic on a hard court slam ever again. Djokovic is just superior on that surface.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
Why wouldn't he? Since 2007, Djoko has beaten Nadal every year except for 2010. Nadal has beaten Djoko every year as well except for 2011. Clearly those 2 guys are gonna continue beating each other as long as they keep playing. It's a great rivalry. On clay, big advantage to Rafa though but that would be true vs any other player too. Rafa is not the clay king for nothing!
 

Clarky21

Banned
He is NOT a Fed fan or Djokovic fan. I am 100% sure about that. He could be a Tomic fan

No, I am certain he is a Fed fan. He's made it pretty obvious in the past just what he's up to. No Tomic fan would have an ax to grind against Nadal the way this undead troll does.
 

Ehh

Banned
Nadal Slam King/Bullzilla/Vamosdna/nadalwon2012...etc... is a Nadal-jinxing Federer fan, whilst Clarky is pseudo anti-jinxing Nadal fan, but actually a Nadal-hater.

It's a complicated place, this forum.
 

dafinch

Banned
Will Djokovic ever beat Nadal again? Was Jan 2012 the end of his success vs Nadal? Nadal has won their last 3 meetings and Djokovic has won a total of one set (and it was when the court was drenched).

I like the way you conveniently ignore the fact that BP's 3 game winning streak was on his best-and Noel's worst-surface, whereas Noel's 7 game winning streak was on the 3 major surfaces. Spin much?
 

VAMOSDNA

Banned
I like the way you conveniently ignore the fact that BP's 3 game winning streak was on his best-and Noel's worst-surface, whereas Noel's 7 game winning streak was on the 3 major surfaces. Spin much?

In recent times, Djokovic has more success on clay vs Nadal than on hardcourt. In 2011, Djokovic beat Nadal in straight sets twice. Which surface were the 2 matches on? Clay. That's the dynamic of this matchup that you have conveniently ignored. And if we go back to 2010, Nadal beat Djokovic at the US Open and World Tour Finals.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
In recent times, Djokovic has more success on clay vs Nadal than on hardcourt. In 2011, Djokovic beat Nadal in straight sets twice. Which surface were the 2 matches on? Clay. That's the dynamic of this matchup that you have conveniently ignored. And if we go back to 2010, Nadal beat Djokovic at the US Open and World Tour Finals.

from 2011, djokovic is 2-3 vs nadal on clay and 4-0 on HC ..

you fail NSK, again ....... try, try, try again and keep failing ..... :)
 

VAMOSDNA

Banned
from 2011, djokovic is 2-3 vs nadal on clay and 4-0 on HC ..

you fail NSK, again ....... try, try, try again and keep failing ..... :)

But during Djokovic's 7 match winning streak there were only 2 straight sets victories, both on clay. And after the 7 match winning streak Nadal turned it around on the surface Djokovic did the most damage to Nadal on - clay. And that means grass and hardcourt is a formality for Nadal too. This is the dynamic of the matchup.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
But during Djokovic's 7 match winning streak there were only 2 straight sets victories, both on clay. And after the 7 match winning streak Nadal turned it around on the surface Djokovic did the most damage to Nadal on - clay. And that means grass and hardcourt is a formality for Nadal too. This is the dynamic of the matchup.

no, it just means the relative difference in forms was the greatest in their matches on clay in 2011 and not on HC (maybe apart from USO match ) and grass ....in any case nadal had to battle like crazy to win the 3rd set at the USO ... otherwise, that'd have been a far worse thrashing than the losses at rome and madrid ....

djokovic will definitely beat nadal on HC many more times and nadal has to get past the 1st week at wimbledon first to meet djokovic :twisted:

11-5 h2h on HC
2-12 h2h on clay

shows the dynamic of their matchup overall ....
 

VAMOSDNA

Banned
no, it just means the relative difference in forms was the greatest in their matches on clay in 2011 and not on HC (maybe apart from USO match ) and grass ....in any case nadal had to battle like crazy to win the 3rd set at the USO ... otherwise, that'd have been a far worse thrashing than the losses at rome and madrid ....

djokovic will definitely beat nadal on HC many more times and nadal has to get past the 1st week at wimbledon first to meet djokovic :twisted:

Hopefully Nadjokovic will meet in the Roland Garros QFs and Wimbledon QFs. Its a good possibility. Ferrer will all but certainly still be ranked number 4 by Roland Garros. And there is a good chance Ferrer defends his Roland Garros points to maintain number 4. And Nadal won't necessarily get any upgrade with the Wimbledon seedings, because he didn't have any good grasscourt results in 2012.
 

The_Order

G.O.A.T.
To the OP, why did you wait 2 years to start posting?

Is that because your other accounts were banned :lol:

Edit: LOL at abmk, you seriously THAT bored that you need to argue with 6-1 6-3 6-0?

Get some sunshine brother, or better yet, get yourself a racquet, hire a court and play for the first time in your life!
 
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VAMOSDNA

Banned
11-5 h2h on HC
2-12 h2h on clay

shows the dynamic of their matchup overall ....

That's not even relevant. Djokovic of the past was an extremely aggressive baseliner with questionable stamina/heart. Its like night and day compared to what he's done in recent years. Even in 2008 when he won the AO, he did it in completely different fashion to his 2011, 2012 and 2013. He's becoming more reliant on stamina (outlasting his opponents) every year. Now quite amazingly Nadal is more aggressive than Djokovic.
 

Tony48

Legend
But during Djokovic's 7 match winning streak there were only 2 straight sets victories, both on clay. And after the 7 match winning streak Nadal turned it around on the surface Djokovic did the most damage to Nadal on - clay. And that means grass and hardcourt is a formality for Nadal too. This is the dynamic of the matchup.

Yeah, like in 2011. Djokovic's only straight set victories were on clay, so grass and harccourt were a formality.

Or was it? I can't remember.
 

The_Order

G.O.A.T.
djokovic will definitely beat nadal on HC many more times and nadal has to get past the 1st week at wimbledon first to meet djokovic :twisted:

Pffft lol, as if he's hardly ever done it before.

He only failed to get past the first week in 03, 05 and 12. Fed has failed to get past the first round at Wimbledon 3 times and was a bee's dick away from making it 4 in 2010 :twisted:
 

VAMOSDNA

Banned
To the OP, why did you wait 2 years to start posting?

Is that because your other accounts were banned :lol:

Edit: LOL at abmk, you seriously THAT bored that you need to argue with 6-1 6-3 6-0?

Get some sunshine brother, or better yet, get yourself a racquet, hire a court and play for the first time in your life!

I registered here but didn't need it because I was at MTF.
 

eidolonshinobi

Professional
I think prior to nadals injury rest period, Djoko was definitely in Nadal's head as much as Nadal is in Fed's.

Now I think Nadal's got a chance unless Djokovic dominates their next match.
 

VAMOSDNA

Banned
I think prior to nadals injury rest period, Djoko was definitely in Nadal's head as much as Nadal is in Fed's.

Now I think Nadal's got a chance unless Djokovic dominates their next match.

But Nadal won 3 matches over Djokovic in 2012 before Nadal's 7 month absence. And the matches weren't even close. Monte Carlo and Rome were straight sets. And Roland Garros was 4 sets and Nadal had won the first 2 sets and was up a break in the 3rd set before the rain.
 

VAMOSDNA

Banned
Nadal will have won 8 in a row over Djokovic by early July:
Monte Carlo: 4
Rome: 5
Madrid: 6
Roland Garros: 7
Wimbledon: 8
 

tudwell

G.O.A.T.
But Nadal won 3 matches over Djokovic in 2012 before Nadal's 7 month absence. And the matches weren't even close. Monte Carlo and Rome were straight sets. And Roland Garros was 4 sets and Nadal had won the first 2 sets and was up a break in the 3rd set before the rain.

Not true, actually. The first rain delay was in the second set.
 

VAMOSDNA

Banned
Why stop there?

Because its less likely they will meet at the events after Wimbledon. Nadal doesn't seem to take the hardcourt events seriously (and may skip at least one of them, because he's expressed interest in playing less hardcourt events in 2013). And US Open, Djokovic has enough problems beating Federer and Murray, so hard to predict if they will meet there too.
 

VAMOSDNA

Banned
Not true, actually. The first rain delay was in the second set.

But the downfall was in the 3rd set, and it turned the match around completely. I was referring to the downfall, and it was the heaviest rain I've ever seen a slam final played in.
 

dafinch

Banned
In recent times, Djokovic has more success on clay vs Nadal than on hardcourt. In 2011, Djokovic beat Nadal in straight sets twice. Which surface were the 2 matches on? Clay. That's the dynamic of this matchup that you have conveniently ignored. And if we go back to 2010, Nadal beat Djokovic at the US Open and World Tour Finals.

What "dynamic" are you referring to? Does one get any more credit for a straight set victory than one that goes the distance? I don't care if every match went 22-20 in the decisive set, Nole beat BP SEVEN STRAIGHT TIMES ON ALL SURFACES, whereas BP's wins were all on his beloved dirt. You can't explain that away no matter how much you try to spin that away, which, I see, includes going back to 2010 for BP victories, lol...
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Edit: LOL at abmk, you seriously THAT bored that you need to argue with 6-1 6-3 6-0?

Get some sunshine brother, or better yet, get yourself a racquet, hire a court and play for the first time in your life!

LOL, look who's talking. my responses were not that much more than your responses to him ..........
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Pffft lol, as if he's hardly ever done it before.

He only failed to get past the first week in 03, 05 and 12. Fed has failed to get past the first round at Wimbledon 3 times and was a bee's dick away from making it 4 in 2010 :twisted:

that sentence was meant to be plain trolling ...but then you aren't sharp enough to get that , even with the smiley, are you ?

though yours was to an extent, the last part , its hilarious how you mention fed being close to getting ousted in wim 10 vs falla but not nadal vs kendrick in wim 06 .... so typical of your posts .... its what those nadal-tinted glasses do I guess
 
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The_Order

G.O.A.T.
LOL, look who's talking. my responses were not that much more than your responses to him ..........

LOL you were getting into a troll session with him while I only asked why he hasn't posted in 2 years and why he would stop after making a ridiculous claim.

Obviously, you don't no the meaning of the word much...

that sentence was meant to be plain trolling ...but then you aren't sharp enough to get that , even with the smiley, are you ?

though yours was to an extent, the last part , its hilarious how you mention fed being close to getting ousted in wim 10 vs falla but not nadal vs kendrick in wim 06 .... so typical of your posts .... its what those nadal-tinted glasses do I guess

So it's hilarious is it? I find it even more hilarious that the WIM GOAT has lost in the first round 3 times and was a bee's dick away from it being 4. Nadal is not the WIM GOAT, he's far from it with only 2 titles, so it should be expected that Rafa struggles more at that particular major than his best - RG.

Here's an interesting stat:

Federer has lost in the first round at both natural surface majors 3 times...
 

Fedex

Legend
Will Djokovic ever beat Nadal again? Was Jan 2012 the end of his success vs Nadal? Nadal has won their last 3 meetings and Djokovic has won a total of one set (and it was when the court was drenched).

Will the most formidable, tenacious and successful player of the last two years ever beat Nadal?
I'd say he has a very good chance as he has over any player in the world.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
LOL you were getting into a troll session with him while I only asked why he hasn't posted in 2 years and why he would stop after making a ridiculous claim.

Obviously, you don't no the meaning of the word much...

I posted only 2 posts in response to him in this thread , neither of them were long, so yes, I very well know the meaning of the word much and used it correctly there ...


So it's hilarious is it? I find it even more hilarious that the WIM GOAT has lost in the first round 3 times and was a bee's dick away from it being 4. Nadal is not the WIM GOAT, he's far from it with only 2 titles, so it should be expected that Rafa struggles more at that particular major than his best - RG.

Here's an interesting stat:

Federer has lost in the first round at both natural surface majors 3 times...

again, attempting to side-track my point again ? heh !

all of federer's first round losses at majors were before he hit his prime .....

here's another interesting stat :

since he won his first major , wimbledon in 2003, federer has lost before the semis only 6 times in 39 majors ( incl wimbledon 2003 )

since nadal won his first major, RG 2005, he has lost 9 times in 28 majors before the semis ( incl RG 2005 )
 
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The_Order

G.O.A.T.
I posted only 2 posts in response to him in this thread , neither of them were long, so yes, I very well know the meaning of the word much and used it correctly there ...

No, you clearly don't. 2 quick questions is not the same as 2 argumentative troll posts.


again, attempting to side-track my point again ? heh !

all of federer's first round losses at majors were before he hit his prime .....

here's another interesting stat :

since he won his first major , wimbledon in 2003, federer has lost before the semis only 6 times in 39 majors ( incl wimbledon 2003 )

since nadal won his first major, RG 2005, he has lost 9 times in 28 majors before the semis ( incl RG 2005 )

Side track what point? I already told you Nadal isn't WIM goat and Fed is, so Nadal losing in the first week is nowhere near as embarrassing as your boy losing in the first round at his favorite major 3 times (nearly 4).

Also, Federer was the #8 seed in 2002. I wouldn't say that's before his prime, before his peak yes, but not before his prime, he was a top 10 player and lost to an unseeded teenage qualifier.

Also, Nadal had a pre-prime too remember? Still didn't get knocked out in the first round of a major and was beating peak Fed continuously :oops:

Here's another interesting stat:

Since winning Wimbledon 2007, Federer had NEVER beat Nadal in a major since :lol:
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
No, you clearly don't. 2 quick questions is not the same as 2 argumentative troll posts.

never said they are the same.. but the attention I paid to NSK wasn't that much more than what you did here ...


Side track what point?

quoting points only favourable to rafa & unfavourable to fed, but never presenting the whole picture

I already told you Nadal isn't WIM goat and Fed is, so Nadal losing in the first week is nowhere near as embarrassing as your boy losing in the first round at his favorite major 3 times (nearly 4).

Also, Federer was the #8 seed in 2002. I wouldn't say that's before his prime, before his peak yes, but not before his prime, he was a top 10 player and lost to an unseeded teenage qualifier.

again, those losses were all pre-prime ..even sampras had bad losses in first week in 90, 91 - when he was pre-prime ( & then again in 2002 : post-prime)

yes, even 2002 is pre-prime federer ...

Also, Nadal had a pre-prime too remember? Still didn't get knocked out in the first round of a major and was beating peak Fed continuously :oops:

yeah, pre-prime rafa was better than pre-prime fed ...... prime to prime fed is better and post-prime, rafa is highly unlikely to be as good as post-prime fed ...

Here's another interesting stat:

Since winning Wimbledon 2007, Federer had NEVER beat Nadal in a major since :lol:

back to the h2h again ... the last resort of rafa fans ... good for rafa, but the whole battle is against the entire field ...federer leads there and will be better overall at 3 of the 4 slams , YEC, weeks and years at #1, overall no of titles...... rafa will have the RG and the masters ...

the stat I pointed out was just another indication of superiority of fed's consistency at majors over rafa's ...
 

VAMOSDNA

Banned
Anyone got a feeling of Deja vu?

You mean because Djokovic won 7 in a row over Nadal and now Nadal has won 3 in a row and on the way to 7 (or 8 or 9) in a row this year? Yes deja vu, but the roles have been reversed. In fact, the 3 in a row Nadal has won so far have all been in finals, just like Djokovic's streak was in finals. Although I'm hoping that will change and we get a fun QF between them soon at Roland Garros or Wimbledon. Nadal leads the h2h 19-14, so just a couple more wins will make it appear rather lopsided. I guess that's the price you pay for only dominating your rival for 10 months.
 
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