Will Djokovic ever beat Nadal again?

[SonnyT]

Only if Nadal is not playing

When was the last time Nadal won Wimby? It was so so long ago!

 

[tudwell]

At Wimby it will be 20-20-20

Calendar slam for 34-year-old crippled Djokovic?

 

[King No1e]

Given how comprehensive the 2020 French Open final destruction was for Nadal and given that it was played in cold clay conditions (so, more like hard-court than traditional clay), I really can't picture Djokovic ever beating Nadal again, regardless of surface.

Nadal seems to have improved his backhand to the extent that he gains the edge on Nadal forehand to Djokovic backhand exchanges AND Nadal backhand to Djokovic forehand exchanges.

Seems to be no play to go to for Djokovic. Nadal is fitter and can last longer in rallies too, so Djokovic just seems to mentally check out of rallies and go for a crappy drop-shot to lose the point.

Will Djokovic ever beat Nadal again?

Djokovic has no chance!

 

[Gary Duane]

Given how comprehensive the 2020 French Open final destruction was for Nadal and given that it was played in cold clay conditions (so, more like hard-court than traditional clay), I really can't picture Djokovic ever beating Nadal again, regardless of surface.

Nadal seems to have improved his backhand to the extent that he gains the edge on Nadal forehand to Djokovic backhand exchanges AND Nadal backhand to Djokovic forehand exchanges.

Seems to be no play to go to for Djokovic. Nadal is fitter and can last longer in rallies too, so Djokovic just seems to mentally check out of rallies and go for a crappy drop-shot to lose the point.

Will Djokovic ever beat Nadal again?

Wong question. The right one: Will Nadal in the future be good enough off clay to GET to Novak in big events. Although I honestly think Nadal would have been far more dangerous in the AO final than Med.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

You mean i am right and it is frustrating. Medvedev choked. So i was not wrong. Nowhere did i say he definitely wins. I said on current form he does. Crucial difference if in a court of law for instance.

He choked? The guy was steamrolled in straights. Everyone will agree that Medvedev was better before the finals, you didn't point out anything that others didn't know already. And it would have taken more than just playing well to beat Djokovic for the first time in the AO final.

What's the next brilliant "prediction" going to be? Going out on a limb saying that if Federer faces Djokovic at Wimbledon and takes three sets off him, he will win the match?

 

[Beckerserve]

He choked? The guy was steamrolled in straights. Everyone will agree that Medvedev was better before the finals, you didn't point out anything that others didn't know already. And it would have taken more than just playing well to beat Djokovic for the first time in the AO final.

What's the next brilliant "prediction" going to be? Going out on a limb saying that if Federer faces Djokovic at Wimbledon and takes three sets off him, he will win the match?

Medvedev choked. And my predictions are better than Ivanisevic. Btw did you not predict Nadal would not win FO2020. Heard the expression those in glass houses?

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

Medvedev choked. And my predictions are better than Ivanisevic. Btw did you not predict Nadal would not win FO2020. Heard the expression those in glass houses?

I did not. Nadal has and will be been winning the FO until he goes way off the rails. Ivanisevic didn't set a high prediction bar in the first place, but you were way off the mark for this AO. Own up to that instead of wussing out.

 

[Beckerserve]

I did not. Nadal has and will be been winning the FO until he goes way off the rails. Ivanisevic didn't set a high prediction bar in the first place, but you were way off the mark for this AO. Own up to that instead of wussing out.

I was spot on. I qualified my prediction. So i was right. You are like a MSM journalist and posting fake news . Nowhere did i say Medvedev would win. I said on current form he would likely win and was favourite. So i was in fact right as he did not bring his current form

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

I was spot on. I qualified my prediction. So i was right. You are like a MSM journalist and posting fake news . Nowhere did i say Medvedev would win. I said on current form he would likely win and was favourite. So i was in fact right as he did not bring his current form

Ok so here are more fake news from me.

Between you and me if Rafa makes the final he will beat Djokovic as will Medvedev.

USO 2019 i am watching again tomorrow. That match is massively significant. Medvedev took so much from that match. Ashe is way more intimidating than RLA. I have been to both and Ashe is just way more impressive (AO overall a better fan experience). No way Medvedev gets nervous which is a big first step.
Medvedev also has won 3 out of last 4 so he has a mental edge for sure.

...he is on such a win streak i cannot see it.

This is the nightmare Djokovic must have wanted to avoid. I.e Medvedev on a 20 match unbeaten run with two straight set demolitions over top 10 players.
Imagine say Nadal at the FO v Thiem who had in his past two rounds say hammered Tsitsipas and Rublev. Everyone would be saying Thiem to inflict first final defeat on the Great Nadal.
Djokovic has lost 3 of his last 4 matches to Medvedev. Medvedev will want to put right USO 2019. He also played a better Djokovic in 2019 in Australia.
It is hard to see anything other than a Medvedev win.

And I don't need to remind that you even tried to paint Djokovic into an unsettled Kevin Keegan from thin air and even threw in a possibility of him withdrawing from the final.

And one more thing, predictions don't include "likely" and "ifs". Especially the ones that are "spot on".

After all of the post and thread spam over the last few days that all went downhill, you decided to simply assume that Medvedev would have overturned a straight sets defeat into a victory over Djokovic in the Australian Open IF ONLY he played well.

That is your "prediction" and you being SPOT ON. What a mess...

 

[Djoker458]

Whose seat would you rather be in? Nadal Federer or Djokovic?
FO 2020 is very significant. Your hypocrisy is funny as Djokovic fans are STILL posting 40-15.

Djoker’s sear by far. You continue to be a moron

 

[Beckerserve]

Ok so here are more fake news from me.




And I don't need to remind that you even tried to paint Djokovic into an unsettled Kevin Keegan from thin air and even threw in a possibility of him withdrawing from the final.

And one more thing, predictions don't include "likely" and "ifs". Especially the ones that are "spot on".

After all of the post and thread spam over the last few days that all went downhill, you decided to simply assume that Medvedev would have overturned a straight sets defeat into a victory over Djokovic in the Australian Open IF ONLY he played well.

That is your "prediction" and you being SPOT ON. What a mess...

Hahahhahaaha you went to all that trouble. Made my year to date that. I feel famous lol.
Problem is you are being selective. All those posts are qualified as they relate to current form bud. Thats the bit you are missing. However as you follow everything i say so intently i shall thank you for the compliment.

 

[HelenCH]

When was the last time Nadal won Wimby? It was so so long ago!

What has Nadal winning Wimby long ago got to do with it? I said that Djokovic will be on 20 slams after Wimbledon only if Nadal doesn't play FO. If Nadal plays and is on form, I cannot see anyone else winning it. Djokovic might be on 20 by the end of the year though, provided he doesn't hit another line judge with ball)). On the other hand, it's still February, so early days to think about year end. One of them or even both can be injured and miss the rest of the season. It's tennis and these things happen.

 

[Beckerserve]

Djoker’s sear by far. You continue to be a moron

You prefer 18 to 20? Is 18 your lucky number?

 

[Djoker458]

You prefer 18 to 20? Is 18 your lucky number?

I prefer to go off what will be the final numbers. Not what they are right now. Right now is irrelevant

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Nadal is the FO king for sure, but not sure Djokovic is the AO king. If Nadal had met Djokovic more times at the AO he would have a winning H2H record over him there. You can't say the same about Djokovic at the FO.

LMAO you got to be joking! Nadal isn’t even good enough to reach Novak enough! When was the last time Rafa beat Novak off clay?

 

[Beckerserve]

I prefer to go off what will be the final numbers. Not what they are right now. Right now is irrelevant

Are you from the future? Which year? Which century? What are the lottery numbers next week?

 

[Hitman]

Ok so here are more fake news from me.




And I don't need to remind that you even tried to paint Djokovic into an unsettled Kevin Keegan from thin air and even threw in a possibility of him withdrawing from the final.

And one more thing, predictions don't include "likely" and "ifs". Especially the ones that are "spot on".

After all of the post and thread spam over the last few days that all went downhill, you decided to simply assume that Medvedev would have overturned a straight sets defeat into a victory over Djokovic in the Australian Open IF ONLY he played well.

That is your "prediction" and you being SPOT ON. What a mess...

You shouldn't be cheating readers.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

Hahahhahaaha you went to all that trouble. Made my year to date that. I feel famous lol.
Problem is you are being selective. All those posts are qualified as they relate to current form bud. Thats the bit you are missing. However as you follow everything i say so intently i shall thank you for the compliment.

"Based on current form" which changes every day is not a prediction, it's just a comparison. Ivanisevic was also spot on in that case. But the simple truth is, he is just not too spineless to admit his mistake.

 

[Djoker458]

Are you from the future? Which year? Which century? What are the lottery numbers next week?

Nope. Just have the last decade of knowledge one player is on track to end higher than the other two. I don’t live in denial like you do

 

[Beckerserve]

You shouldn't be cheating readers.

He is my biggest fan. I feel touched and humbled

 

[Hitman]

LMAO you got to be joking! Nadal isn’t even good enough to reach Novak enough! When was the last time Rafa beat Novak off clay?

It was 7.5 years ago. USO 2013.

 

[Beckerserve]

"Based on current form" which changes every day is not a prediction, it's just a comparison. Ivanisevic was also spot on in that case. But the simple truth is, he is just not too spineless to admit his mistake.

Has he admitted his mistake? Great men never admit mistakes even if they make them btw.
I was spot on. Medvedev was favourite on current form. He choked. And its great news for the Big 3

 

[Beckerserve]

It was 7.5 years ago. USO 2013.

When did Djokovic last beat Nadal on clay out of interest?

 

[Hitman]

When did Djokovic last beat Nadal on clay out of interest?

Rome 2016

 

[Beckerserve]

Rome 2016

Wow. Time flies.

 

[weakera]

 

[Hitman]

Wow. Time flies.

Yes it does. Djokovic hadn't even completed his career slam at that point. He was on 11 slams at the time.

 

[Beckerserve]

Yes it does. Djokovic hadn't even completed his career slam at that point. He was on 11 slams at the time.

So 7 slams in 5 years is not too bad. Generally 1 a year with the odd 2 a year. Sort of Rafa standard that.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Yes it does. Djokovic hadn't even completed his career slam at that point. He was on 11 slams at the time.

Yeah it’s amazing. It’s amazing that at start of 2011 Novak had 1 slam and fed had 16. Now it’s 18 Novak and 20 for fed. Incredible rise.

 

[Beckerserve]

Yeah it’s amazing. It’s amazing that at start of 2011 Novak had 1 slam and fed had 16. Now it’s 18 Novak and 20 for fed. Incredible rise.

Makes federer 15 slams in 9 years even more impressive really. Just wow.

 

[Hitman]

Yeah it’s amazing. It’s amazing that at start of 2011 Novak had 1 slam and fed had 16. Now it’s 18 Novak and 20 for fed. Incredible rise.

Astronomical. 10 years ago at this time, Djokovic was still far away from being world number one for the first time, fast forward 10 years later and he has the record locked in for most weeks at number one and most year endings.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Makes federer 15 slams in 9 years even more impressive really. Just wow.

True point. Fed was amazing between 2003-2010. Amazing consistency and high level. Props to him.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Astronomical. 10 years ago at this time, Djokovic was still far away from being world number one for the first time, fast forward 10 years later and he has the record locked in for most weeks at number one and most year endings.

To think back then many were thinking Murray would end up with more slams than Novak. Some thought Novak was another Roddick 1 slam wonder or a Murray/wawrinka career at best. How he proved all his doubters wrong and continues too.

 

[Hitman]

To think back then many were thinking Murray would end up with more slams than Novak. Some thought Novak was another Roddick 1 slam wonder or a Murray/wawrinka career at best. How he proved all his doubters wrong and continues too.

Yes, it's been a heck of a ride for the heavyweight champion. 18 slams....crazy.

 

[Beckerserve]

Astronomical. 10 years ago at this time, Djokovic was still far away from being world number one for the first time, fast forward 10 years later and he has the record locked in for most weeks at number one and most year endings.

Locked for YE1s? Not sure about that although im not clear on new ranking system federer has no points to defend does he? Rafa has only FO i think?

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Yes, it's been a heck of a ride for the heavyweight champion. 18 slams....crazy.

To think he even has a chance to end the greatest is crazy. I feel though he’s got a great chance to do it. I feel barring something crazy that the slam record will end up between Djokovic and nadal with Fed stuck on 20.

Still things can change and djoko still needs 2 more but I feel it’s looking more bleak for Fed and his fans now. Wimbledon 2021 is probably Feds last chance.

 

[Hitman]

To think he even has a chance to end the greatest is crazy. I feel though he’s got a great chance to do it. I feel barring something crazy that the slam record will end up between Djokovic and nadal with Fed stuck on 20.

Still things can change and djoko still needs 2 more but I feel it’s looking more bleak for Fed and his fans now. Wimbledon 2021 is probably Feds last chance.

The thing with Djokovic is though is his insane numbers outside of the slam numbers, the guy is solid in many metrics. And he has stated, his goal now is to focus on slams really, now that the weeks at number one has been accounted for.

 

[Beckerserve]

To think he even has a chance to end the greatest is crazy. I feel though he’s got a great chance to do it. I feel barring something crazy that the slam record will end up between Djokovic and nadal with Fed stuck on 20.

Still things can change and djoko still needs 2 more but I feel it’s looking more bleak for Fed and his fans now. Wimbledon 2021 is probably Feds last chance.

Would.not write Federer off. I said that after FO 2020. Today makes Federer more dangerous as he would smoke Medvedev in a slam and Tsitsipas and Zverev etc as his aura would get to them.
Federer back on the map.

 

[Beckerserve]

The thing with Djokovic is though is his insane numbers outside of the slam numbers, the guy is solid in many metrics. And he has stated, his goal now is to focus on slams really, now that the weeks at number one has been accounted for.

Did he say that? Love to see what Federer thinks about that lol.

 

[Hitman]

Did he say that? Love to see what Federer thinks about that lol.

Yes, he did, post match interview.

 

[Beckerserve]

Yes, he did, post match interview.

Oh man. Will he ever learn. Federer could get back to No.1 if he wins W and USO.

 

[thomasferrett]

I was spot on. I qualified my prediction. So i was right. You are like a MSM journalist and posting fake news . Nowhere did i say Medvedev would win. I said on current form he would likely win and was favourite. So i was in fact right as he did not bring his current form

Lol, what does 'current form' mean? That's some made up term that is only known to you. If Medvedev had served 70 aces in the match, made 0 unforced errors, held 7 match points and still lost to Djokovic, you could still say 'well, Medvedev wasn't in his 'current form' because 'current form' is subjective and unquantifiable with data.

So this 'current form' clause hardly excuses your prediction because the clause makes the prediction so vague that it doesn't qualify as a prediction.

Right now I'll predict 'on the Nadal match form' Tsitsipas will not lose a single match in 2021, then as soon as he loses, I'll just say 'he wasn't in Nadal match form'.

 

[Beckerserve]

Lol, what does 'current form' mean? That's some made up term that is only known to you. If Medvedev had served 70 aces in the match, made 0 unforced errors, held 7 match points and still lost to Djokovic, you could still say 'well, Medvedev wasn't in his 'current form' because 'current form' is subjective and unquantifiable with data.

So this 'current form' clause hardly excuses your prediction because you've the clause makes the prediction so vague that it doesn't qualify as a prediction.

Right now I'll predict 'on the Nadal match form' Tsitsipas will not lose a single match in 2021, then as soon as he loses, I'll just say 'he wasn't in Nadal match form'.

On current form tsitsipas wont win a Major. Did you see his SF?
Strange djokovic fans object to the same comments they made before and after the FO 2020.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

The thing with Djokovic is though is his insane numbers outside of the slam numbers, the guy is solid in many metrics. And he has stated, his goal now is to focus on slams really, now that the weeks at number one has been accounted for.

I agree. Novak has achieved so much and has no holes in his resume. He can now place all his focus in the slams to try catch fed and Rafa. He will still win the odd masters now and then to keep the momentum but it’s no longer a priority to try winning everything in sight. He can pick and choose what events he plays. A great position to be in.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Would.not write Federer off. I said that after FO 2020. Today makes Federer more dangerous as he would smoke Medvedev in a slam and Tsitsipas and Zverev etc as his aura would get to them.
Federer back on the map.

I think Wimbledon is his last hope. Still amazing on grass and this year will be crucial for him. We will see how he goes and will be intriguing to see if he can roll back the years one last time.

 

[thomasferrett]

On current form tsitsipas wont win a Major. Did you see his SF?
Strange djokovic fans object to the same comments they made before and after the FO 2020.

Tsitsipas wasn't in Nadal match form in the SF. See what I did there?

Same thing you did with your prediction; based it on some unquantifiable clause so I can't be wrong.

 

[Beckerserve]

I agree. Novak has achieved so much and has no holes in his resume. He can now place all his focus in the slams to try catch fed and Rafa. He will still win the odd masters now and then to keep the momentum but it’s no longer a priority to try winning everything in sight. He can pick and choose what events he plays. A great position to be in.

I do not follow this logic. Nadal if he wins say MC and Rome and Djokovic wins no M1000 goes back to top of m1000 leaderboard. Nadal likely to have a 3 slam lead by July. Federer i assume also will target slams and lesser events to get past connors. So Djokovic could actually lose everything if he only focusses on slams unless he wins them?

 

[Beckerserve]

I think Wimbledon is his last hope. Still amazing on grass and this year will be crucial for him. We will see how he goes and will be intriguing to see if he can roll back the years one last time.

I have not seen CPI index for this AO but if it is 40 plus Federer has every chance at AO next season. Federer will be super fresh next 12 months

 

[Beckerserve]

Tsitsipas wasn't in Nadal match form in the SF. See what I did there?

Same thing you did with your prediction; based it on some unquantifiable clause so I can't be wrong.

I qualified my prediction. That is how to make a prediction so as not to look foolish. I am not like Ivanisevic.

 

[USO]

Nadal has won 2 of his last 3 matches against Djokovic including 2 bagels, and also 4 of his last 7 matches.