Will Djokovic ever win a tournament 10 times?

USO

Professional
Nadal: 12 FO, 11 Monte Carlo, 11 Barcelona.

Federer: 10 Halle, 10 Basel.

Djokovic: :unsure:

Can a player have a claim to being the goat without ever dominating any tournament like that? Not even one? :unsure:

I don’t think so. To be really called “great” you have to at least dominate a tournament by winning it 10 times. Djokovic fans will need to admit that he can never be the goat. :cry:
 
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FRV3

Guest
I don't know. Yes. Yes, not even one is necessary.

This is one of those stats that is impressive, but does not really affect the legacy all that much.

Edit: The 12 FO obviously affect the legacy greatly
 

itrium84

Professional
There are 2 hypothetical students, A and B.
Their grades vary between lowest 1 and highest 10.
Student A has one highest 10 grade, but all his other grades are lowest 1.
Student B has all high 9 grades.
Can we really say student B is better than student A?
Yes. Yes we can.
 

USO

Professional
There are 2 hypothetical students, A and B.
Their grades vary between lowest 1 and highest 10.
Student A has one highest 10 grade, but all his other grades are lowest 1.
Student B has all high 9 grades.
Can we really say student B is better than student A?
Yes. Yes we can.
But Djokovic doesn’t have high 9 grades everywhere with only 1 FO, 3 USO, Bronze medal, etc. :unsure:

And no if you can never have a high 10 grade not even once in your whole life then you are not really great. :unsure:
 

Third Serve

Legend
Who says winning a tournament ten times is the goal? Why not five?

I think if that were the case, Fed would lead among the three, but still... Maybe even three times would be the bar?
 

itrium84

Professional
Now, these 12-11-11 and 10-10 are impressive and remarkable achievements, Novak does need to win a lot more to come close, I hope he will.
 

itrium84

Professional
But Djokovic doesn’t have high 9 grades everywhere with only 1 FO, 3 USO, Bronze medal, etc. :unsure:

And no if you can never have a high 10 grade not even once in your whole life then you are not really great. :unsure:
Student A is a failure, despite his one highest grade. Student B can easily be the best in class with his high average.
I'm not claiming Novak is student B, neither that Fedal are student A. It's about the simple principle of measuring achievements. If it's too hard for you to comprehend it, don't try too much, it's ok.
 

Lleytonstation

G.O.A.T.
Nadal: 12 FO, 11 Monte Carlo, 11 Barcelona.

Federer: 10 Halle, 10 Basel.

Djokovic: :unsure:

Can a player have a claim to being the goat without ever dominating any tournament like that? Not even one? :unsure:

I don’t think so. To be really called “great” you have to at least dominate a tournament by winning it 10 times. Djokovic fans will need to admit that he can never be the goat. :cry:
Agreed. All comes down to this.
 

USO

Professional
Student A is a failure, despite his one highest grade. Student B can easily be the best in class with his high average.
I'm not claiming Novak is student B, neither that Fedal are student A. It's about the simple principle of measuring achievements. If it's too hard for you to comprehend it, don't try too much, it's ok.
If you have never gotten an A+, not even once, then you are not “great”. It means that you can’t peak very high, you are not genius potential. I know it’s hard for you to comprehend but it’s OK.
 

Third Serve

Legend
If you have never gotten an A+, not even once, then you are not “great”. It means that you can’t peak very high, you are not genius potential. I know it’s hard for you to comprehend but it’s OK.
Most professors and teachers I know would rate a student more lightly if they turned in multiple Bs or A-s rather than one A+ and a boatload or Cs.
 

Third Serve

Legend
Will anyone ever match his 4 Sunshine Doubles? Will anyone ever match his 2 Golden Masters?

I mean, there's a lot of niche "records" that matter to whom they matter to.
Fed came close to tying it last year. If anyone would break the record, it would have been Fed.
 

itrium84

Professional
If you have never gotten an A+, not even once, then you are not “great”. It means that you can’t peak very high, you are not genius potential. I know it’s hard for you to comprehend but it’s OK.
No reason to be petty. When you play dumb, there should be expectation of mockery.
 

daphne

Rookie
Dumb. One cannot be a specialist and well balanced out at the same time. Equally can be said of the ATP 1000 titles. If one cannot win all 9 titles at least once (not twice) one cannot be called great. Or if one cannot win WTF at least once, one cannot be called great.
 

CYGS

Legend
Nadal: 12 FO, 11 Monte Carlo, 11 Barcelona.

Federer: 10 Halle, 10 Basel.

Djokovic: :unsure:

Can a player have a claim to being the goat without ever dominating any tournament like that? Not even one? :unsure:

I don’t think so. To be really called “great” you have to at least dominate a tournament by winning it 10 times. Djokovic fans will need to admit that he can never be the goat. :cry:
10 Mickey Mouse tournament wins mean nothing.
 

daggerman

Professional
Nadal: 12 FO, 11 Monte Carlo, 11 Barcelona.

Federer: 10 Halle, 10 Basel.

Djokovic: :unsure:

Can a player have a claim to being the goat without ever dominating any tournament like that? Not even one? :unsure:

I don’t think so. To be really called “great” you have to at least dominate a tournament by winning it 10 times. Djokovic fans will need to admit that he can never be the goat. :cry:
Even if he won every tournament 10+ times, many would still not consider him the GOAT. They'll just say "weak era" or something.

So it can't be helped.
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
Since Halle or Basel are such a joke and age is just a number, he could probably start his decima quest there and secure his 10th by the time he's just 45 years old.
 

mahesh69a

Semi-Pro
Can a player be considered GOAT if he never held all 4 slams at the same time?

It all depends on perspective.

(Most of your posts are against Novak - are you an alt account for skypadq?)
 

TennisFan3

G.O.A.T.
AO. I think he can win AO for 10-13 times depending on the next few years.
Novak could have more A.O than Nadal has F.O in the best case of 13-15 A.O
 

Street

Rookie
Nadal: 12 FO, 11 Monte Carlo, 11 Barcelona.

Federer: 10 Halle, 10 Basel.

Djokovic: :unsure:

Can a player have a claim to being the goat without ever dominating any tournament like that? Not even one? :unsure:

I don’t think so. To be really called “great” you have to at least dominate a tournament by winning it 10 times. Djokovic fans will need to admit that he can never be the goat. :cry:
Why are posters on this board so preoccupied with trying to make their favourite player's rival look bad? Lol

I know it sounds crazy but why not just discuss tennis instead of trying to devalue the achievements of a player who beat your favourite many times?
 

Dragan

Semi-Pro
Nadal: 12 FO, 11 Monte Carlo, 11 Barcelona.

Federer: 10 Halle, 10 Basel.

Djokovic: :unsure:

Can a player have a claim to being the goat without ever dominating any tournament like that? Not even one? :unsure:

I don’t think so. To be really called “great” you have to at least dominate a tournament by winning it 10 times. Djokovic fans will need to admit that he can never be the goat. :cry:
:-D
 

mika1979

Professional
Nadal: 12 FO, 11 Monte Carlo, 11 Barcelona.

Federer: 10 Halle, 10 Basel.

Djokovic: :unsure:

Can a player have a claim to being the goat without ever dominating any tournament like that? Not even one? :unsure:

I don’t think so. To be really called “great” you have to at least dominate a tournament by winning it 10 times. Djokovic fans will need to admit that he can never be the goat. :cry:
Halle and Basel :laughing:
 

ChrisRF

Hall of Fame
The true defintion of moving goal posts.
Exactly. It cannot be demanded for being GOAT to hold every single record in a sport, be they reasonable or just poor inventions. Because in the end that means there cannot be a GOAT if someone doesn’t win literally everything.

And I bet even then some people would just say "How can he be GOAT, he had no serious competition."

The OP has a point though: Domination is just as important as distribution. But it’s also not MORE important, and total numbers are already the best factor to show both factors

The other kind of exaggeration I recently read was something like “Sampras is better than Nadal because he leads in 3 of the 4 Slams.” That would literally say 12-0 is the same as 5-4.

No, total number is the best factor, and there are no excuses. Federer is still on top, and I admit that I want him to stay there. But if Nadal and/or Djokovic overtake him, I will accept them as being better, as I already promised repeatedly.
 

StrongRule

G.O.A.T.
So a player with a 10/2/2/2 GS record is better than 4/4/4/4?
In the second option you don't hold any records, at any slam. There are always players greater than you. In the first option you totally own one slam, and also won the others a few times. I'd say the first option is definitely better.
 

CYGS

Legend
In the second option you don't hold any records, at any slam. There are always players greater than you. In the first option you totally own one slam, and also won the others a few times. I'd say the first option is definitely better.
4 CGS is definitely a record, silly.
 
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