Purestriker
Legend
Correct.
Will Djokovic ever win another Slam?
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grandefrankie
Semi-Pro
LOL the majority don't call Djokovic the grass GOAT, that is a flat out lie. You could argue the majority call him the GOAT now (I am not even sure of that, but maybe) but not grass GOAT. Even his pathetic worshipper McEnroe has not called him the grass GOAT, and said he needs another 2 Wimbledons probably for that. If McEnroe who wants Djokovic babies and to eat Djokovic's 8sshole daily does not even consider him the grass GOAT then he isn't.
Playing in the worst field in history, particularly the worst grass field in history, Djokovic still has fewer Wimbledon titles than Federer, and fewer finals as well. So yeah it isn't even a discussion.
Ooops- forgot to add there was a poll on grass GOAT here and Djokovic lost soundly to Federer. And that is despite that 95% of this forum is Serbian and ridiculously biased to all Serbian players. A poll on if Seles was the female GOAT even had her winning, so yeah Djokovic's claim to be grass GOAT is apparently even less than Seles's to be female GOAT. Let that think in. Even on a ridiculously almost all Serbian and pro Serbian site, Djokovic can't win a poll for grass or Wimbledon GOAT.
Playing in the worst field in history, particularly the worst grass field in history, Djokovic still has fewer Wimbledon titles than Federer, and fewer finals as well. So yeah it isn't even a discussion.
Ooops- forgot to add there was a poll on grass GOAT here and Djokovic lost soundly to Federer. And that is despite that 95% of this forum is Serbian and ridiculously biased to all Serbian players. A poll on if Seles was the female GOAT even had her winning, so yeah Djokovic's claim to be grass GOAT is apparently even less than Seles's to be female GOAT. Let that think in. Even on a ridiculously almost all Serbian and pro Serbian site, Djokovic can't win a poll for grass or Wimbledon GOAT.
Spencer Gore
Legend
He can win another, especially if he has the late career Federer level of luck of the best player on tour being injured for most of a season.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
That just means MUGsetti would have been steamrolled worse than Joker was
Federev
G.O.A.T.
You sound like you’re quite a fan of Novak.
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
That just means MUGsetti would have been steamrolled worse than Joker was
I'm not even arguing that. I'm just saying that Musetti was a worthy opponent and his grass run shows it wasn't a fluke
I gotta remember you're enough of a fanboy that you aggressively ignore anything that doesn't pertain directly to Rafa
Federev
G.O.A.T.
I think Novak has had plenty of luck with the field he’s had to go up against for several years.
I think it’s actually that his luck - in that sense - may be running out.
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mike danny
Bionic Poster
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I think it's more like the rest of the mugs still fear Djokovic as seen by Wimb, while Carlos and Sinner don't.at this age djokovic is only going to get worse so if hes not winning one now...
the torch has passed, other players fear sinner and alcaraz more than djokovic now
That I totally agree with.
sportsfan1
Legend
2023 - 3 slams+wtf+masters titlesat this age djokovic is only going to get worse so if hes not winning one now...
the torch has passed, other players fear sinner and alcaraz more than djokovic now
2024- no titles, no top 10 wins.
How can decline be that quick, in a matter of months?
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
How, lol? He got smoked. It wasn’t even remotely close. A worthy opponent is someone who can make you work for the win.
That’s rich coming from a guy who plays the victim card whenever it comes to Ol’ Rog and his historical standing
And I didn’t even bring up RAFA.
Sport
G.O.A.T.
Wrong analogy. Rafa beat Roger at the AO 2014 and RG 2019 and Novak at RG 2020 and RG 2022 (including a W 2018 SF that was extra close where he had crucial break points in the 5th with Djokovic saving it with a mindblowing passing shot and where the match was incomprehensibly played under a roof despite it being a sunny day).
Also, Rafa WAS one of the top 2 players in the world in 2014-2022. He won 9 Slams between 2014 and 2022, that's 3 times more than Federer, who only won 3 between 2014 and 2022.
grandefrankie
Semi-Pro
Well it is true 95% of this forum is Serbian. The evidence? Seles even won a poll if she was the female tennis GOAT. Nuff said. If Djokovic loses any poll here, he really aint whatever it was about, since it is almost impossible for a Serbian player to lose a poll here. Heck over 30% here thought he was going to win the Wimbledon final with Alcarez according to that poll, when it was plainly obvious watching both play this event he barely had a hope in hell to even win a set.
And that all said even on this insanely pro Serbian forum with atleast 95% of its members being from Serbia he still lost soundly to Federer, and I believe had less votes than Sampras on the grass GOAT poll sometime last year. So there is no universe most consider him the grass GOAT. Even his lover John McEnroe does not think this and said he needs another 2 Wimbledons, LOL!
Alcaraz takeover
Rookie
Its over for him as a
He won't win another. Number 24 was his last slam.
Federev
G.O.A.T.
I think you lost me at “95% of this forum is Serbian”
Surprised about the Seles poll, but happy to hear it wasn’t all about numbers for the voters.
Razer
G.O.A.T.
1 more he will win like Sampras won.
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
You are definitely capable of mustering a level that is better than performances in your 20s. And vice versa. It's circumstantial, and alot depends on you. For example Djokos AO 19 and AO 23 level was much better than his performance in AO 2015, etcetera. Lots of examples of athletes being capable to still produce their best tennis in their late career. What changes as you get older is you have to manage your workload during the year to be able to perform/peak at the desired tournaments.
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AO13
Hall of Fame
Yes, and then, just like now, in my opinion, he endured an embarrassing defeat in the final.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Wasn't really embarrassing in 2016 though.
Alcaraz takeover
Rookie
We shall see
Razer
G.O.A.T.
AO23 was not better than AO2015.
Razer
G.O.A.T.
big ted
Legend
i don’t see it happening considering djoko can’t win matches from the forecourt like sampras, connors, federer…
grandefrankie
Semi-Pro
Well in the real world Seles is ranked about 9th or 10th women all time best, so that is evidence enough that indeed atleast 95% of this forum is Serbian as that is the only explanation for a poll result that insane. Yet Djokovic can't win a Wimbledon or grass GOAT poll even on this 95-99% Serbian posters forum, LOL!
Federev
G.O.A.T.
I don’t know what to tell you fella. I think we’re not getting anywhere near 95% Serbian posters here.
But what do I know?
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
How, lol? He got smoked. It wasn’t even remotely close. A worthy opponent is someone who can make you work for the win.
That’s rich coming from a guy who plays the victim card whenever it comes to Ol’ Rog and his historical standing
I see you didn't watch it.
Smoked is what Alcaraz did to Djoko. Musetti broke Djoko like five times. Kyrgios gave him full credit. He pushed Djoko hard.
The win over Fed at AO was his last aside from RG19. He was Fed's pigeon from Basel 2015-Wimbledon 2019
2014 is also the last time he took a set off Djoko on hard court and the last time he took a match off Djoko outside of RG
Credit to him for staying dominant at RG and being able to still smoke anyone else on other surfaces
Sampras was only 31 when he won his last one and still had a GOAT serve to carry him through matches to conserve his legs. And even then he got fellow old guy Agassi in the final (imo, Andre did him a favour taking out Hewitt).
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
……. No
Sport
G.O.A.T.
I see how you retracted your previous comment from 2022 to 2019. If you're gonna call Rafa "pigeon", what should you call Roger considering Rafa always led the H2H over the Swiss, including during his peak years of 2004-2007 and 2004-2009 , even in outdoor hard? Another factor: Nadal could beat Roger at Wimbledon, while Roger never beat Nadal at RG.
And no, outside 2017, Federer never dominated Nadal. In 2015 he had a single win over Rafa in outdoor hard and in 2019 their H2H is 1-1. And despite Roger's great 2017, Nadal still comfortably leads both the overall H2H (including 3-1 at the AO and 8-6 in outdoor hard) and the H2H in Slams.
If you're gonna call Rafa a "pigeon", consider calling Roger a chicken, as he skipped RG and the clay season both in 2017 and 2018 to avoid facing Rafa, despite the fact that in both years he had won the AO and was in great form. If Rafa had been injured, you can bet he'd have played RG to try to win it against Thiem.
But, he didn't face anyone and Massetti gave him a good match. I think Sinner and Alcaraz are better ATM, and Zverev and Medvedev could also beat him if they are playing well or Djokovic doesn't recover his movement. On video after the Wimbledon final, Brad Gilbert showed Djokovic was not going into the corners well and that his been a signature of his game. He would have to get a favorable draw and possibly an injury to a top player for him to win another slam.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
Did you watch it, lol? MUGsetti broke him 2x out of 4 attempts. Joker broke MUGsetti 4x out 13 attempts and won in straights. So no, he didn’t “push” Djoko at all.
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Razer
G.O.A.T.
Sampras even at 31 was in as bad shape (worse infact) as Djokovic is at 37 (minus the injury), so a fit Djokovic winning is as likely as it was for Sampras .... plus Med/Zed can do the dirty work for Novak which Agassi did for Pete in removing the obstacle before the final.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Tommy Haas pushed Fed harder in 2009 than Musetti pushed Djoko and it was still routine.
manley0702
Rookie
It's crazy to see those results considering Fed's results after winning his 4th were: SF, SF, W, W, W, F, W, W, W, F, W, W, SF, F, F, W, F, W, W, F, W
canta_Brian
Hall of Fame
If Tiafo or Medvedev had beaten Alcaraz, does anyone believe they would have beaten Djokovic in the final?
-NN-
G.O.A.T.
Well given how Djokovic looked in the final and the urgency with which Medvedev tried to play Alcaraz, I could see either result.
roysid
Legend
Nobody thought Kerber or Halep or Bianca would defeat Serena in a grand slam final. But they played lights out in that match. Against Osaka it was like preparing for coronation. But Osaka gave rude shock and Serena used the warning to make it a circus.
Yes right now novak can beat everyone else other than Sinner and Alacaraz. But for how long is the question
Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
Life is unpredictable so one should keep their options open as to how tennis victories may unfold moving forward, injuries do play a major role.
However on balance and based on current sentiment you would imagine that Novak’s future GS wins would be somewhere between zero and two. Winning one more would be between a maybe and a probable, I’m thinking slightly towards maybe. As we move forward though our sentiments will change.
However on balance and based on current sentiment you would imagine that Novak’s future GS wins would be somewhere between zero and two. Winning one more would be between a maybe and a probable, I’m thinking slightly towards maybe. As we move forward though our sentiments will change.
pedro94
Semi-Pro
This is Djokovic we're talking about.. He will never be content with being 1 slam away from the outright record in all of tennis, Court shouldn't have that record with 40% of her slams being total jokes. Djokovic deserves it and he'll bend over backwards to get it, I'm sure of that. Speaking as a Nadal fan over here
aman92
Legend
Sinner is there on hard courts as well.
I think realistically USO 2024, AUS 2025 and Wimbledon 2025 are his last chances.
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
TheFifthSet
Legend
I think he wins one more if he recovers fully and doesn’t re-injure the knee. Hard to beat a player like Alcaraz if you’re at 75% health.
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