aman92
Legend
Not if he faces Alcaraz but Alcaraz is still prone to upsets at an early round. I can see someone like Zverev having a lights out serving day taking him out if Alcaraz isn't playing his best.
Will Djokovic ever win another Slam?
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RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
How high are Nadals chances?
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
I'm at peace with Nadal's status, you will get there too with Djokovic, and then blunt honesty won't upset you any more.
I agree Djokovic is a favorite against Med and Zed but the gap has closed. In NY on hardcourt, I think the gap between these 2 and Djokovic is smaller than ever before assuming Zed's knee recovers by then.
canta_Brian
Hall of Fame
About the same
Daniel Andrade
Hall of Fame
1 or perhaps 2 if lucky, no more than that
UnderArmServeOP
Professional
The era of the Big 3 is over. We need to accept it at some point. Fed is gone, Rafa is checked out and even though made the finals of AO Semi and Wimby Finals, he hasnt had the same results as last year or the previous. And yes, he was injured and had surgery but it's astonishing to knowwe are more than half way into the year and Djoko has ZERO titles.
Sputnik Bulgorov
Hall of Fame
Physically, Sampras was fine. I’d favor 31 yo Sampras to beat this Djokovic in both USO and Wimbledon. Sampras could have won more slams in his 30’s like Agassi, but simply didn’t have the motivation to do so. He actually beat Federer in an exhibition match in 2007 at 36 years old. The entire series was very competitive.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
I don’t think thinks he’s the grass GOAT. I think at most what some would say is that the difference between him and Federer on grass, while real, is not huge.
Edit: I’d add that grass has become a very specialized surface, basically one very prestigious tournament and that’s it. Not sure talking of a grass GOAT even makes sense
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Djoko's friends Med & Zed will beat Alcaraz at AO/USO, they will clear the path for Nole who will be on the opposite half, so he will
Yeah USO was a gift and so was AO but Djokovic cracked against Sinner lol.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
No offense but Fed never beat Both Djokodal in slams even in his younger days and he came close to beating both when he was 37 years old @Sport
Razer
G.O.A.T.
Ever since his last year's wimbledon loss he has been vulnerable vs youngsters, I agree, as one approaches 37 these cracks tend to show. Now Djoker has reached a stage where he will be the oldest slam winner if he wins a slam.
messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
Not sure he will ever beat Alcaraz and Sinner in best of 5 sets anymore. Their weight of shot off both wings is a killer for any player as you have to do so much running let alone a 37 year old.
Im not entirely sure on hard courts he can now beat a well playing Medvedev in best of 5 either. Zverev i think he would have a chance due to the Zverev FH which is still suspect.
Novak can beat everyone else though even this version. While there are only two or 3 guys who are better, then obviously he can win another one.
If Djokovic loses to Tiafoe at a Major or Fritz that will be when i will write him off. Or Tsitsipas or Rublev.
Im not entirely sure on hard courts he can now beat a well playing Medvedev in best of 5 either. Zverev i think he would have a chance due to the Zverev FH which is still suspect.
Novak can beat everyone else though even this version. While there are only two or 3 guys who are better, then obviously he can win another one.
If Djokovic loses to Tiafoe at a Major or Fritz that will be when i will write him off. Or Tsitsipas or Rublev.
Thundergod
Hall of Fame
Can still see him winning if Sinner or Alcaraz get knocked out of draws. The rest of the tour still soils themselves when they face him.
Thundergod
Hall of Fame
Lol he needs to retire right on the spot if he were to lose to one of those two in a slam. I don't think Fritz can even beat a 45 year old Djokovic.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Rosstour
Talk Tennis Guru
I agree w/everything you said, just kind of sarcastically parroting the mainstream narrative that Djoko > Fed at Wimby bc of h2h with Legends Tour Fed
If Sinner had got through Alcaraz, I think Djokovic would've had a better chance than against Alcaraz. Sinner just hits really hard but his movement is way worse especially on natural surfaces.
You could see from the start Djoko knew he couldn't take CA's legs
Day_Tripper
Rookie
I suspect what many will discover over the coming months is that Djokovic is no Federer and that he flattered to deceived - that is his success over the the last decade was largely due to the lost 90's generation and that fact that he played almost his entire career without having to face a younger all time great.
You really are a salty Federe fan lol
Novak has surpassed your player on virtually every level and taken nearly all of his records.
Fact is Roger was getting beaten in his prime on his favourite surface by likes of Tspnga and Berry has back in 2010 and 2011.
platypus50
Semi-Pro
I think he will win one of these 3 majors: 2024 USO, 2025 AO, 2025 Wimbledon - most likely 2025 AO.
He's been terrible in 2024 so far, although I can see him still getting to the 2nd week of this year's USO.
As long as he does not play against Alcaraz or Sinner, he's definitely in with a shot as the rest of the players are too mentally weak to stop him in best of 5 sets.
He's been terrible in 2024 so far, although I can see him still getting to the 2nd week of this year's USO.
As long as he does not play against Alcaraz or Sinner, he's definitely in with a shot as the rest of the players are too mentally weak to stop him in best of 5 sets.
Razer
G.O.A.T.
Oldest Grand Slam Champion
Sport
G.O.A.T.
More like as a Court detractor.This is Djokovic we're talking about.. He will never be content with being 1 slam away from the outright record in all of tennis, Court shouldn't have that record with 40% of her slams being total jokes. Djokovic deserves it and he'll bend over backwards to get it, I'm sure of that. Speaking as a Nadal fan over here
Sport
G.O.A.T.
This is wrong. Where did you get this? From the usermade webpage UTS? That webpages can contain errors like this one.Oldest Grand Slam Champion
The Roland-Garros 2022 final was held the 5th of June of 2022, when Rafael Nadal was 36 years and 2 days old.
Razer
G.O.A.T.
UTS always considers the day the slam begins, it does not consider the day of the final, thats why. Most of the data in UTS is accurate upto 2023 end.
ForumMember
Hall of Fame
Yes, if he doesnt need to play Alcaraz, Sinner enroute.
BauerAlmeida
Legend
Again the same nonsense of no younger ATG when Nadal, Murray and himself are all separated by a year. And until last year he was beating and going toe-to-toe with Sinner and Alcaraz, only this year he fell off.
Who cares that there was no "younger" ATG in the past 10 years when Nadal was winning slams until mid-2022 two years ago. Or if Nadal was born a year later it would change things completely because he'd be older.
And Wawrinka and Murray are finished now but they weren't 10 years ago.
Even if you erase THREE of Djokovic's slams in the past 3 years, he still has more slams than Federer. So you can delete those weak wins and he's still ahead. Unless you think not winning is better than winning against weak competition and he should be punished for winning "weak" slams.
Sport
G.O.A.T.
Which is wrong, and I think we'll agree here. You should consider how old is the player the day he wins the Slam, not the day the Slam starts. The opening day of the Slam the player still hasn't won it.
It's simple mathematics, if you start counting from the day the Slam begins rather than from the final, you're counting the player as about 14 days younger than he actually is the day he wins the Slam.
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Razer
G.O.A.T.
How does that make a difference ? You want 14 days added to Nadal's count so that he looks 36+ ... this is not a big deal
Sport
G.O.A.T.
You're right that it does not make a difference in the list, but it could be more accurate.
Anyway, Rosewall is still the record-holder of oldest Slam winner.
You think Novak will beat this record of Ken?
Razer
G.O.A.T.
If he wins another Slam then Rosewall's record will be broken since he will be older than Rosewall's last slam age by the time of US Open, so he will have to create a record now.
DariaGT
Hall of Fame
Raz, Paul and Meds were the in form players of SW, Djoko was not
even in the same ballpark that was obvious from the start even till the end.
While aging Nole keeps going to the opening of envelopes outside of tennis
and not slowing down as a night owl, he is in a downward spiral and should
join Murray sooner than later as the commitment to tournaments before Majors
has dwindled and that is more dangerous to his counter style game.
Fed could attack the net as often for he had natural sense in attack
while Nole looks like a kamikaze virgin teen at the net in this recent loss.
His best chance to win a last major is SW next year as he needs to keep
points shorter as he ages but his game is closer to Murray and Simon.
even in the same ballpark that was obvious from the start even till the end.
While aging Nole keeps going to the opening of envelopes outside of tennis
and not slowing down as a night owl, he is in a downward spiral and should
join Murray sooner than later as the commitment to tournaments before Majors
has dwindled and that is more dangerous to his counter style game.
Fed could attack the net as often for he had natural sense in attack
while Nole looks like a kamikaze virgin teen at the net in this recent loss.
His best chance to win a last major is SW next year as he needs to keep
points shorter as he ages but his game is closer to Murray and Simon.
messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
Interesting. I think Sinner may have choked if he had faced Novak. A Wimbledon final is still on a different level to the other slams.
Assuming he didnt choke i wonder if Novak would have still been overpowered, although it is true Sinner doesnt have the variety that Alcaraz can bring on big points.
messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
I dont see what Fritz brings at all lol. no BH, an above average FH i guess, and a decent serve, but no defensive skills at all, poor movement and no volleying ability. How he is above top 40 i'll never know.
jackson vile
G.O.A.T.
Maybe 1-2 left in him, he retires next year.
Day_Tripper
Rookie
2024 is the first year that Djokovic has had to contend with seriously good players in Sinner and Alcaraz that are significantly younger and the results speak for themselves.
Nadal and Murray were contemporaries. Your point doesn't change the fact that he played almost his entire career without having to face a significantly younger all time great.
Were Sinner or Alcaraz born in the nineties his record would have been much different.
He was lucky but good enough to capitalise on that luck.
BauerAlmeida
Legend
Conveniently you want to start counting from this year. Not last year when he beat Sinner in straights in Wimbledon and almost beats Alcaraz in the final too. Or when he beat Alcaraz in RG and Cinci. Or when he beat BOTH back to back in the Masters. He was a few points away from beating Alcaraz and Sinner back to back at the Masters and Wimbledon in the same year.
No, he had to play with an older one and one his same age. Sampras and Agassi also played virtually all of their careers without facing a younger ATG. Federer played without facing an older one or a contemporary one. Alcaraz and Sinner now don't have an older one except Nadal that is virtually retired and Djokovic that will soon be as well.
It would be much different from them as well. Last year as a 36yo he did better than them combined, imagine if he was 30-33.
He was lucky but so were many others in other circumstances.
Bubcay
Legend
So Novak needs one more Australian Open to make it dominate the top 4 spots.Oldest Grand Slam Champion
DariaGT
Hall of Fame
2024 Djokovic level is below his 2007 and mobility has never been worse, he could not stretch at all off both sides
and volleys were worse than before hiring Woodforde. 2023 Nole Level was closer to 2008 level and yet lost.
None of the ATGs faced a significantly younger ATG, Nole vs Raz 15+ years etc.
Sinraz born in the 90s would be an issue with racquets, balls, surfaces and medical technologies.
Sinner would break his wrists using a Murray like heads and Raz would cry with an RD-7 or heavy
PK Destiny painted as a Babolat.
Nole was very lucky, luck won him all those 24 majors specially lucky that he was treated as the
party crasher or a water bending wacko for supporting Masaru Emoto's proven works.
Seeing how long Tennis has waited for someone to come along and beat the ATG or big3
its seems NextGenies were wrong to say that only when the big3 retire they will have a chance.
The reality is injuries, old age, slow recovery = too many bad losses before calling it quits.
The way society is going and sucked into technology for convenience and entertainment,
the future gens are going to be nothing like the Big3 as the distractions of our modern tech
controlled lives is impeding the focus needed for their brains to master tennis properly.
Rattie
G.O.A.T.
Hard to sayhe is a favourite where Zverev and Medvedev are concerned as it’s nearly a year since he played either of them. 2024 Djokovic will be someone they are more likely to beat now.
RS
Bionic Poster
I can see Djokovic around till like 40
DariaGT
Hall of Fame
Big 3 lifetime issues
Fed had issues vs Nadal FH onto his BH
Nadal had issues with players that hit on the rise
(atm too slow, FH missing under pressure and Stamina)
Nole still cant hit overheads properly
(atm volleys are an issue, focus, serve, BH, FH errors galore)
I believe he is going to be an embarrased finalist for rest of his career.
NextGen hopefuls to replace Big3
Alcaraz just needs better Focus and patience
and it seems to be happening with age.
Sinner needs better volleying skills, more variety
and confidence when going gets tough.
Fonseca needs Federer mentorship
and even Feds old team has more
promise than Mensik who is too heavy
Fed had issues vs Nadal FH onto his BH
Nadal had issues with players that hit on the rise
(atm too slow, FH missing under pressure and Stamina)
Nole still cant hit overheads properly
(atm volleys are an issue, focus, serve, BH, FH errors galore)
I believe he is going to be an embarrased finalist for rest of his career.
NextGen hopefuls to replace Big3
Alcaraz just needs better Focus and patience
and it seems to be happening with age.
Sinner needs better volleying skills, more variety
and confidence when going gets tough.
Fonseca needs Federer mentorship
and even Feds old team has more
promise than Mensik who is too heavy
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
gamelovergold
Hall of Fame
Nadal has said good bye and slam race is over. #25 may come may not come but Novak has outlasted his great rival fedrer and nadal.
2025 will be novak last hurrah. If he win 1 slam he will continue otherwise 2025 US open will be his last . I hope he win first and then say good bye.
Razer
G.O.A.T.
I don't think 2025 is 1 last hurrah, he is still in shape to play slams and compete at the business end of the slams. Unless 2025 proves that he is losing in 1st week, he ain't leaving.
AntonZweck
Rookie
Multiple slams for Djokovic before retirement. Let him collect his 25th and 26th and then ponder about grand slam number 30. No pressure.
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