Will fed be the goat if he wins?

Rhino

Legend
Laver is no GOAT

Not in order but

Laver
Tillden
Agassi
Bjorg
Conners

Jack Kramer, himself a candidate for the title of best player of all time, ranked Laver only in the "second echelon" of great players, just behind the six best. He writes that although Laver was "absolutely unbeatable for a year or two late in the 1960s", a "careful comparison" could be made between Laver and the somewhat older Gonzales and that Kramer is "positive that Gonzales could have beaten Laver regularly." Kramer's main argument for downgrading Laver is that, "Rosewall beat Laver in those two World Championship of Tennis finals and that was a title Laver really wanted." Kramer sees as evidence of Gonzales's superiority over Laver the fact that Gonzales defeated Laver in a U.S.$10,000 winner-take-all, five-set match before 15,000 spectators in New York City's Madison Square Garden in January 1970, when Gonzales was 41 years old and Laver was still considered the World No. 1 player.
 

cknobman

Legend
Shut up will you. What did I say about matches between the 2 in Monte Carlo and Hamburg??? Tell me???

And last I checked 9-2 is a lot different from 5-4. And Nadal is still ahead 3-1 on outdoor hardcourts is he not??? Is that not a fact?? Fed leads 2-1 on grass, didn;t his 1st victory come vs Nadal who was in his 4th grass tourney of life... is that not a fact???

No matter how you slice it Nadal < Fed. To get where Fed is he needs 3 more years at no 1 and 7 more grand slams just to get in the same conversation.
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
Not upset, just don't like you and have no point stating it.
Don't care for your opinion, and have no problem stating it.
Am not one of these posters, so if you come at me sideways I will take you outta the park like Pujols, and you what??? I have no problem stating it!!!!

Any other questions???


Why so upset????
 

thejoe

Hall of Fame
Not upset, just don't like you and have no point stating it.
Don't care for your opinion, and have no problem stating it.
Am not one of these posters, so if you come at me sideways I will take you outta the park like Pujols, and you what??? I have no problem stating it!!!!

Any other questions???

What? All I see in your posts is rhetoric. Amusing little names for the modern day players, overuse of interjection, and delusions of grandeur regarding Pete's competition.

I think you'd have too much trouble controlling your calligraphic saliva to "take Drak outta the park like Pujols"
 

cknobman

Legend
What? All I see in your posts is rhetoric. Amusing little names for the modern day players, overuse of interjection, and delusions of grandeur regarding Pete's competition.

I think you'd have too much trouble controlling your calligraphic saliva to "take Drak outta the park like Pujols"

You forgot to mention his horrible grammar and general misuse of the english language.:)
 

380pistol

Banned
What? All I see in your posts is rhetoric. Amusing little names for the modern day players, overuse of interjection, and delusions of grandeur regarding Pete's competition.

I think you'd have too much trouble controlling your calligraphic saliva to "take Drak outta the park like Pujols"

I deeply apologize. I mean somewhere along the line I must have given you the impression that I care what you think of. If I implied that, I'm sorry, let's clear it, I don't!!!!!!!!! Comprende!!!!!!!!!

And when I want your opinion..... I'll give it to you!!!!!!!!!

You forgot to mention his horrible grammar and general misuse of the english language.:)

What I stated above goes for you as well!!!!
 

thejoe

Hall of Fame
I deeply apologize. I mean somewhere along the line I must have given you the impression that I care what you think of. If I implied that, I'm sorry, let's clear it, I don't!!!!!!!!! Comprende!!!!!!!!!

And when I want your opinion..... I'll give it to you!!!!!!!!!



What I stated above goes for you as well!!!!

Point proven. Well done.
 

380pistol

Banned
Point proven. Well done.

Just have a question?? Since I've never talked to you before this, when get at you are gonna cry like a bytch to the mod, and say I'm this, that and the 5th, even though you threw the 1st punch???

Just curious??
 

thejoe

Hall of Fame
Just have a question?? Since I've never talked to you before this, when get at you are gonna cry like a bytch to the mod, and say I'm this, that and the 5th, even though you threw the 1st punch???

Just curious??

What? No. You've done nothing that I would "cry like a bytch to the mods about." You just irritate me. I thought your smack talk to Drak was laughable, so I pointed it out.
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
^^He just doesn't like me because I pointed out in another thread he has never seen Sampras play, even though he acts like it.
 

Aykhan Mammadov

Hall of Fame
Here some people are discussing that an apple is round while another members are talking about how heavy is a metal. They will never agree.

Evrything depends on the definition of the GOAT. If it is not " one of greatest" but " the greatest" what means No1 and best ever, best among greatets - then if some numbers of somebody is worser than of another then u have to recognise that he is not the GOAT.

Member 380pistol from one side is trying to prove that some boxer was better than Muhammed Ali by numbers and then he himself is asking me " Now don't tell that Ali is not the GOAT". Contradiction. Because the member is arguing with himself since he didn't give a definition of the GOAT for himself.
 

380pistol

Banned
What? No. You've done nothing that I would "cry like a bytch to the mods about." You just irritate me. I thought your smack talk to Drak was laughable, so I pointed it out.


Exactly right, me and Quack... what the hell has that got to with you?? Was your name mentioned?? Are you me?? Are you him??? Then stay out!!!! How does it concern you???

If I irritate you... good. Do you think I care. Good to know your paying so much damn attention to me. I didn't even notice you until you posted to me. Just remember that you threw the first punch. That's it.
 

380pistol

Banned
Here some people are discussing that an apple is round while another members are talking about how heavy is a metal. They will never agree.

Evrything depends on the definition of the GOAT. If it is not " one of greatest" but " the greatest" what means No1 and best ever, best among greatets - then if some numbers of somebody is worser than of another then u have to recognise that he is not the GOAT.

Member 380pistol from one side is trying to prove that some boxer was better than Muhammed Ali by numbers and then he himself is asking me " Now don't tell that Ali is not the GOAT". Contradiction. Because the member is arguing with himself since he didn't give a definition of the GOAT for himself.

No I said.....

As far as Ali. 49-0 > 56-5. So Ali starts behind the 8 ball there. He lost the heavyweight title 3 times (albeit stripped of it the 1st time). No man beat Marciano for the title, and he retired the as the champ. No one held the title longer (and/or for a consecutive stretch) than Marciano. Ho heavyweight defended the title as many times as Marciano (and he never lost a title defense).

So are you gonna tell me Ali is not the greatest???

No you didn't menion Jordan, but I chose him as he is also generally reckognized as the GOAT in his field. And aplltying you theory/premise to his career, will not give him the #1 spot?? Total pts he's 3rd (he has to look over Karl Malone's shoulder's to see Kareen Abdul Jabbar). Pts per game leads Wilt by a hair (30.12 to 30.07). each one scoring titles, but Jordan's singualr best season was 37.1, Wilt went over 40 a game 4-5 times. Jordan ever avg'd double digits in rebounds, Wilt went over 20 a game in a season, and 2nd all time in per game avg. MVP's, MJ has 5, he can go to Kareem's house to what it's like to own 6. If we talk about dominating a game in every aspect, Oscar Robertson from 1961-65 avg'd 30+ pts, 10+ rebs, 10+ asts over a five year span. Jordan can't see that in his dreams. He never avg'd double digits in anthing other than pts. Robertson once led the league in scoring and assists, did Jordan ever finish in the 10 for assists, once??? And Title which is the cue de gras, Russell won more consecutively, 8, than Jordan won period, 6. Oh did I mention that Russell also won 3 more tiles givin 11.... in a 13 yr span??

So is Jordan the GOAT???

Same with Patrick Roy. Do you want the breakdown for him???

As far as tennis it isn't that simple, as it may have more variables, than other sports.

At what point did I say Marciano was better than Ali???

Again your missing the point. I did not say Jordan wasn't the greates, but if it were based on #'s alone and the premise that was put forth by (I forget his name), that's the best he can do. he didn't say adjust, he said "go by #'s" so that's what I did. At the end of the day 5 > 4, he never said who, what or why, just 5 > 4. That's why I mentioned others genrally considered the GOAT's in their field as well, Ali and Roy.

Too damn easy!!!! I mean my first reply......

OK, if we're going mathematically and based on #'s Ali is NOT the GOAT!!!! He trails Rocky Maricano, and even his prime #'s would put him behind Ray Mercer.

And you said.....

I might not know exact numbers in boxing and exact numbers in basketball. I'm not specialist in these two. Fisrt, I didn't call Jordan, but I did call the name of Casius Clay ( Muhammed Ali). Just determine about which numbers are u talking in boxing? Just give me numbers how many times and how long was Mohammed world champ in heavy weight. If he isn't the first in numbers then FOR ME it will mean that he is not the GOAT.

But now I'm trying to prove some boxer is better than Ali?!? Leave TINA alone!!!!!!!!!!!!

You said......

It is very simple. The notion of the GOAT can be mathematically and intelligently determined.

... I just set out to disprove it. And..... Venni, Vetti, Vecci!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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zagor

Bionic Poster
yeah.. and the real pistol pete is probably even angrier :)

I'm probably one of the few who don't think that he really is.Have you heard some of Sampras's interviews in the last few years? I would bet that most of us here have a better memory than Pete himself about the wins and statistics of his career.The guy says stuff like I played my best ever against Agass in in 2000 Wimbledon final and yet all of us here tennis geeks now he played Rafter and similar stuff.

The guy has an amazingly bad memory about his wins for someone supposedly so protective of his record.Sampras isn't Borg in that department IMO,I think he moved on from tennis a long time and is living a great life with his family in retirement.I don't he cares as much as people think here whether Fed gets his slam record or not.
 

ghostbear

Rookie
I'm sure Nadal doesn't mind having the GOAT as his pigeon. Not many people have a 6-2 grand slam record against the GOAT, and only a handful of people can say they made the GOAT cry. :)
 

kimbahpnam

Hall of Fame
I'm sure Nadal doesn't mind having the GOAT as his pigeon. Not many people have a 6-2 grand slam record against the GOAT, and only a handful of people can say they made the GOAT cry. :)

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