Will Federer beat Nole or Nadal at a slam again?

[Noleberic123]

What was so arrogant about that?!

Because you think that djokovic is currently better than God

 

[Djokovic2011]

Because you think that djokovic is currently better than God

Far from it, unless you're just messing around?

 

[tennisaddict]

What was so arrogant about that?!

I don't see anything wrong even if you chose to be arrogant. But after you talk this way, you should have guts to keep the tempo and speak the same language in match threads. Once the match approach, you are always tense and not confident any more of Novak.

You always think Fed will break any winning streak that Novak has.

See why we think you are not being consistent ?

 

[Noleberic123]

Far from it, unless you're just messing around?

God is Federer, you know that right?

 

[cc0509]

This was the post that smacked of arrogance. Once confronted, you go to your shell.

Right. That post by Djokovic2011 infers that he thinks it unlikely that Federer will beat Novak in a slam again so he must think Novak is as great a slam player as Federer is. But then he goes and plays innocent and says where did I ever say Djokovic is as great as Federer or Nadal in the slams. I don't think he is trolling either. He doesn't see the incongruence.

C'mon..Dont you remember WTF matches and recently cc calling you the 'Clarky of Novak fans' ?

He doesn't see it even though he does the same thing in thread after thread.

Where is MichaelNadal to jump in on the matter?

 

[Djokovic2011]

I don't see anything wrong even if you chose to be arrogant. But after you talk this way, you should have guts to keep the tempo and speak the same language in match threads. Once the match approach, you are always tense and not confident any more of Novak.

You always think Fed will break any winning streak that Novak has.

See why we think you are not being consistent ?

It is possible to have two completely different trains of thought at different times you know. :roll:

 

[Djokovic2011]

Right. That post by Djokovic2011 infers that he thinks it unlikely that Federer will beat Novak in a slam again so he must think Novak is as great a slam player as Federer is. But then he goes and plays innocent and says where did I ever say Djokovic is as great as Federer or Nadal in the slams. I don't think he is trolling either. He doesn't see the incongruence.

How would saying that Federer will never beat Djokovic in a slam again mean that I think Novak's in the same league as him? You gotta explain that one to me.

 

[Noleberic123]

Right. That post by Djokovic2011 infers that he thinks it unlikely that Federer will beat Novak in a slam again so he must think Novak is as great a slam player as Federer is. But then he goes and plays innocent and says where did I ever say Djokovic is as great as Federer or Nadal in the slams. I don't think he is trolling either. He doesn't see the incongruence.





He doesn't see it even though he does the same thing in thread after thread.

Where is MichaelNadal to jump in on the matter?

Don't take away the little shred of confidence djokovic2011 has.

 

[Noleberic123]

Do you expect Federer to beat nole in a BO5 cc0?

 

[cc0509]

Don't take away the little shred of confidence djokovic2011 has.

See, even you as a fellow Djokovic fan can see his lack of confidence and his jumping around on this subject of Djokovic vs Nadal and Federer in the slams!

 

[Noleberic123]

See, even you as a fellow Djokovic fan can see his lack of confidence and his jumping around on this subject of Djokovic vs Nadal and Federer in the slams!

I understand his lack of confidence because of what djokovic has done 2012-2014 though.

 

[Djokovic2011]

I understand his lack of confidence because of what djokovic has done 2012-2014 though.

Thank you my friend - at last someone understands where I'm coming from. I'm cautiously optimistic but never arrogant, I always think that is such a bad look.

 

[cc0509]

Do you expect Federer to beat nole in a BO5 cc0?

I answered this already. Go a few pages back.

 

[racquetreligion]

If the idiots at OZ Open and most events pulled their fingers out of their digestive & gasseous apertures they would speed up the court and balls to stop the Hacking that has ruined tennis in the last 10 years.

More serve volleying will occur and more upsets by big servers but at least the aggressors are rewarded for taking risks rather than hack every ball back.

Fed will win another Slam if this happens, he will also likely crash out to someone like Karlovic but so would anyone when they are serving 75-80% 1st Srvs in.

 

[MTF07]

Absolutely not. Fed only bullies the bums like Raonic or Dimitrov. He can't hang with the elite.

Never could really. He never could hang with Nadal outside of a few isolated instances ESPECIALLY when it mattered most.. And for the most part the other elite Nole has given him fits dating all the way back to late 2007/early 2008.

LMAO

Your complete hatred has turned you into a moron of the highest order. Though, quite frankly, you were never very smart to begin with.

 

[PrinceMoron]

I don't expect Federer to ever play Nadal again. You should have enjoyed Fedal matches while you had the chance.

Two or three years down the line one or both won't be playing. Both will soon be playing a reduced schedule. Nadal will have more time off. There are more players around to prevent them getting to finals.

So, yes, nice if it happens, but I think those days are behind us. Funny to think you might never see them play each other again, but I think there is a strong possibility you won't.

 

[Fiji]

Interesting point that I had not realized before. Federer has never beaten either Nole or Rafa at a slam after losing to them for the first time at that slam.

Rafa
AO - 09 (first loss), 12 (L), 14 (L)
FO - 05 (first loss), 06 (L), 07 (L), 08 (L), 11 (L)
Wimb - 08 (first loss)
USO - no meetings

Nole
AO - 08 (first loss), 11 (L)
FO - 12 (first loss)
Wimb - 14 (first loss)
USO - 10 (first loss), 11 (L)

History suggests Federer's only shot would be vs Rafa at USO.

Pretty much....

 

[TheMusicLover]

Anyone who's been watching tennis for more than five years, or even more than five months, should know that it is rather unwise to ever use the words "always" or "never" when it comes to possible future outcomes of matches involving one and/or two great players.

Should it occur that Fed will be able to keep up his current level of play come Wimbledon or the USO, I can surely see him able of beating either Djokovic or Nadal.
But at this point it's all moot. We don't know. What I do know is that it is a major mistake to ever write off a great player, most certainly in case said player is still the current #2 of the ATP rankings and apparently in pretty decent form.

 

[chjtennis]

Anyone who's been watching tennis for more than five years, or even more than five months, should know that it is rather unwise to ever use the words "always" or "never" when it comes to possible future outcomes of matches involving one and/or two great players.

Should it occur that Fed will be able to keep up his current level of play come Wimbledon or the USO, I can surely see him able of beating either Djokovic or Nadal.
But at this point it's all moot. We don't know. What I do know is that it is a major mistake to ever write off a great player, most certainly in case said player is still the current #2 of the ATP rankings and apparently in pretty decent form.

Absolutely agree to this. Federer of current level is more than capable of beating Nadal of current level. Unless Nadal somehow lifts his level dramatically, I think Federer has a very good chance of beating him at this year's AO. It is exactly the reverse situation from last year. Federer was slowly coming back to his best while Nadal had his best HC season the previous year, hence an easy victory for Nadal at SF. This time, however, Nadal really seems rusty and Federer seems sharp. Federer's chance, at worst, would be 50/50.

Also, You never know what's going to happen between top players. Nole could easily have lost in Wimbledon last year to Federer. Whenever they play, it's very tight, and I wouldn't be surprised if Fed beats Novak in their next meeting at a slam. It's really silly to write one of the top players off completely.

 

[cc0509]

Anyone who's been watching tennis for more than five years, or even more than five months, should know that it is rather unwise to ever use the words "always" or "never" when it comes to possible future outcomes of matches involving one and/or two great players.

Should it occur that Fed will be able to keep up his current level of play come Wimbledon or the USO, I can surely see him able of beating either Djokovic or Nadal.
But at this point it's all moot. We don't know. What I do know is that it is a major mistake to ever write off a great player, most certainly in case said player is still the current #2 of the ATP rankings and apparently in pretty decent form.

That is what I have been saying repeatedly on this forum: Never write-off any great player whether it be Federer, Nadal, Serena Williams, etc. They are wired differently and always find ways to win when you least expect it.

 

[mandy01]

Federer can definitely beat Djokovic. He cannot beat Nadal any longer unless he actually PROVES otherwise which basically hasn't happened for years now. I don't blame him entirely for it. A large part of the blame rests with the ATP/ITF but even with that, Federer has let Nadal go after making him walk the tight rope several times. Nadal is just too stable for you to do that. Federer's game is inherently prone to peaks and troughs. Nadal is not like that. He is virtually uniform. In any given match, he will either be very good or very bad and consistently stick to that level. Federer's level is prone to oscillating like most attacking players and any consistent player will take advantage of it. Nadal knows this, and he knows how to use it against Federer. So even with a considerably larger arsenal at his disposal, Federer tends to fail.

 

[sbengte]

Djokovic ? yes, there is definitely a possibility.
Nadal ? No because at the slams it is more mental than anything else for Fed and if he pulls off a win against Nadal 8 years after he last did it, it will be nothing short of a miracle.

 

[Djokovic2011]

That is what I have been saying repeatedly on this forum: Never write-off any great player whether it be Federer, Nadal, Serena Williams, etc. They are wired differently and always find ways to win when you least expect it.

Just like Novak did at Wimbledon last year!

 

[merlinpinpin]

Djokovic ? yes, there is definitely a possibility.
Nadal ? No because at the slams it is more mental than anything else for Fed and if he pulls off a win against Nadal 8 years after he last did it, it will be nothing short of a miracle.

But then, despite being a (much) better player than Becker, Lendl always lost to him at slams... except the last one they played, at the '92 US Open. Lendl was 32 at the time (to Becker 28 ), and he won in five after coming back from two sets to one down.

As others have been saying, 'never say never' really is the only way to go with all-time greats. Because they'll find a way. Not every time, of course, but when they're on a hot streak or even when you least expect it, they just will.

 

[sbengte]

But then, despite being a (much) better player than Becker, Lendl always lost to him at slams... except the last one they played, at the '92 US Open. Lendl was 32 at the time (to Becker 28 ), and he won in five after coming back from two sets to one down.

As others have been saying, 'never say never' really is the only way to go with all-time greats. Because they'll find a way. Not every time, of course, but when they're on a hot streak or even when you least expect it, they just will.

When it comes to Fed-Nadal rivalry, Nadal is in complete control of it. Apart from the age gap and the matchup factors, Nadal picks and chooses when he plays Fed on the big stage. Fed should have pulled off at least one against Nadal in the last 8 years when Nadal was not at his best but the thing is Nadal either doesn't play or crashes out to nobodies at slams when he is not at his best . If Nadal makes it as far as Fed, it only means he is in his monster form and no version of 33 y.o Fed is beating that Nadal given the history between them.

 

[cc0509]

When it comes to Fed-Nadal rivalry, Nadal is in complete control of it. Apart from the age gap and the matchup factors, Nadal picks and chooses when he plays Fed on the big stage. You would have thought Fed should have pulled off at least one against Nadal in the last 8 years when Nadal was not at his best but the thing is Nadal either doesn't play or crashes out to nobodies at slams when he is not at his best . If Nadal makes it as far as Fed, it only means he is in his monster form and no version of 33 y.o Fed is beating that Nadal given the history between them.

I would tend to agree with you. We KNOW about the physical and mental match-up issues Federer has had vs Nadal at the slams. However, the only things which MAY change the balance in the future are: a) the fact that Nadal is aging as well and we don't know how that will influence his future play, b) Federer has employed a more aggressive game under Edberg and seems confident moving in that direction and c) the slam surface should matter, i.e. if they play at Wimbledon or the USO the chances for Federer although slim, increase.

I would still put my money on Nadal in any slam match vs Federer but the above factors are unknowns and one never knows for sure.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

He won't beat either of them in a slam again

 

[veroniquem]

Beating BOTH in a slam? Not happening. Unlikely he can beat even 1, especially Nadal. He could probably beat Murray though

 

[Deleted member 688153]

Fed had Peak confidence all through 2004-2009 (When he was playing his best tennis) and it still didn't make ANY difference vs. Nadal. What's Fed at 33 now going to do so different vs. Nadal that he didn't do when he was at his peak in his mid 20s?.

With Nole, Sure Fed can hang for 2 sets anyways but asking him to keep a high enough level vs. Nole to beat 3 out of 5 sets is a different story.

Beating the muggy field of Dimitrov/Ferrer/Raonic etc. is a totally different story than beating the elites (Nadal/Nole) in a best of 5 on the big stage

Some of what you're saying in this post is a serious joke.
Was Raonic muggy in the Brisbane final?
My god you can be such a clown sometimes.

Also you keep mentioning Fed's inability to beat Nadal in majors.
Ad. Nauseam.

In reality, who cares?
He still has more majors than Nadal despite losing to him practically every time.
Shows how much a single H2H is worth, doesn't it?

All this "not being able to hang with the elite" rubbish is false anyway (he is 6-6 with Djoker in majors despite a massive age disadvantage), but more importantly, you fail to realise that the reason for their H2H is:

1) Age disadvantage (H2H was okay when Fed was prime)

2) Tremendous skew towards Nadal's favourite surfaces (H2H on Fed's favourite surfaces is 6-3 Fed, and 6-1 Fed without Fed's horrible 2013 being included). This occurred because Fed is good enough to reach Nadal on his worst surfaces (and Nadal's best), but Nadal wasn't good enough to reach Fed on his worst surfaces (and Fed's best).

3) Match. Up.
You guys conveniently forget this, that the match-up between these two is as bad as it gets. So when you combine that with the fact that Nadal is also an excellent player (so the margins are very fine) it becomes a problem.
Without the match-up, their H2H should be closer to the Fedovic one (which is close because of Fed's age disadvantage).