Will Federer ever lose with grace?

Spencer Gore

Hall of Fame
I see Roger is up to his usual tricks -blaming everything but his opponents superior play for losing. This time it is the humidity that is to blame, and apparently his opponent had an advantage because he comes from a humid place.

It's pathetic. It's as if those early years when he was sweeping up slams with little competition against weak opponents has made him act like a spoiled brat in defeat, ever since.

Your legacy as an all-time Top 10 player is assured, Roger. You can afford to have some dignity.
 

reaper

Legend
I see Roger is up to his usual tricks -blaming everything but his opponents superior play for losing. This time it is the humidity that is to blame, and apparently his opponent had an advantage because he comes from a humid place.

It's pathetic. It's as if those early years when he was sweeping up slams with little competition against weak opponents has made him act like a spoiled brat in defeat, ever since.

Your legacy as an all-time Top 10 player is assured, Roger. You can afford to have some dignity.
It was humid where Bernard Tomic grew up but tough conditions never seemed to help him.
 

Spencer Gore

Hall of Fame
He just did. He praised Millman a lot. I was surprised.

Old man is getting old.
“I just thought it was very hot tonight,” Federer said.
“Was just one of those nights where I guess I felt I couldn't get air.
“There was no circulation at all. I don't know, for some reason I just struggled in the conditions tonight.
“It's one of the first times it's happened to me.
“Yeah, it's uncomfortable. Clearly just keep on sweating more and more and more and more as the match goes on. You lose energy as it goes by.
“But John was able to deal with it better. He maybe comes from one of the most humid places on earth, Brisbane.
“I knew I was in for a tough one. Maybe when you feel like that, as well, you start missing chances, and I had those. That was disappointing.
“But, look, at some point also I was just happy that the match was over, I guess.”
“When you feel like that, everything is off, so... But, look, I've trained in tougher conditions,”
“I’ve played in the daytime, you know, at 120. Some days it's just not the day where the body can cope with it.
“I do believe since the roof is on that there is no air circulation in the stadium.
“I think just that makes it a totally different US Open. Plus conditions maybe were playing slower this year on top of it. You have soaking wet pants, soaking wet everything.
“The balls are in there, too. You try to play. Everything gets slower as you try to hit winners.
“Again, look, I thought the match was tough.
“I wish I could have led two sets to love and then maybe the match would be different, you know, and I would find a way, because I did have my chances all the way till the end. It was just tough.
“I thought John played a great match in difficult conditions.”

Glad he finally got around to mentioning his opponent!
 

DragonBlaze

Hall of Fame
“I just thought it was very hot tonight,” Federer said.
“Was just one of those nights where I guess I felt I couldn't get air.
“There was no circulation at all. I don't know, for some reason I just struggled in the conditions tonight.
“It's one of the first times it's happened to me.
“Yeah, it's uncomfortable. Clearly just keep on sweating more and more and more and more as the match goes on. You lose energy as it goes by.
“But John was able to deal with it better. He maybe comes from one of the most humid places on earth, Brisbane.
“I knew I was in for a tough one. Maybe when you feel like that, as well, you start missing chances, and I had those. That was disappointing.
“But, look, at some point also I was just happy that the match was over, I guess.”
“When you feel like that, everything is off, so... But, look, I've trained in tougher conditions,”
“I’ve played in the daytime, you know, at 120. Some days it's just not the day where the body can cope with it.
“I do believe since the roof is on that there is no air circulation in the stadium.
“I think just that makes it a totally different US Open. Plus conditions maybe were playing slower this year on top of it. You have soaking wet pants, soaking wet everything.
“The balls are in there, too. You try to play. Everything gets slower as you try to hit winners.
“Again, look, I thought the match was tough.
“I wish I could have led two sets to love and then maybe the match would be different, you know, and I would find a way, because I did have my chances all the way till the end. It was just tough.
“I thought John played a great match in difficult conditions.”

Glad he finally got around to mentioning his opponent!
:D Wow that is some impressive manipulation on your part. Definitely worthy of a career in journalism. I especially liked that you

A) Left the questions out which directly resulted in how Federer answered the question
B) Felt compelled to put sentences in a new line giving the illusion that every question Federer answered revolved around not giving any credit, when in reality all of the quoted material is simply from answering 2 questions....

Now I will present the actual presser for those who like to maintain some level of objectivity.

Q. What was ailing you this evening and what effect did it have on you?

ROGER FEDERER: Sorry, the beginning?

Q. What was ailing you and what effect did it have on you, physical ailment?

ROGER FEDERER: I just thought it was very hot tonight. Was just one of those nights where I guess I felt I couldn't get air. There was no circulation at all. I don't know, for some reason I just struggled in the conditions tonight. It's one of the first times it's happened to me.

Yeah, it's uncomfortable. Clearly just keep on sweating more and more and more and more as the match goes on. You lose energy as it goes by.

But John was able to deal with it better. He maybe comes from one of the most humid places on earth, Brisbane. I knew I was in for a tough one. Maybe when you feel like that, as well, you start missing chances, and I had those. That was disappointing.

But, look, at some point also I was just happy that the match was over, I guess.

Q. How did you come about inviting John to Switzerland? Why did you choose him to practice with?

ROGER FEDERER: I think it was part that he lost early in Paris. We were looking for somebody who was a great guy, who could train hard, you know, maybe was looking also for a place to come to and practice on the grass or hard courts with me before Stuttgart. I didn't know he had a girlfriend in Stuttgart.

Just Severin asked him. He was like, Yeah, absolutely, I'm ready to come. We had a great few days, a good time together. Then we saw each other again in Stuttgart. We almost played against each other there, too.

Q. Your serve wasn't as reliable as usual tonight. Was something feeling off in your motion? What was going through your mind missing all those first serves?

ROGER FEDERER: It was hot (laughter).

Q. That was it?

ROGER FEDERER: Yes. When you feel like that, everything is off, so... But, look, I've trained in tougher conditions. I've played in the daytime, you know, at 120. Some days it's just not the day where the body can cope with it.

I do believe since the roof is on that there is no air circulation in the stadium. I think just that makes it a totally different US Open. Plus conditions maybe were playing slower this year on top of it. You have soaking wet pants, soaking wet everything. The balls are in there, too. You try to play. Everything gets slower as you try to hit winners.

Again, look, I thought the match was tough. I wish I could have led two sets to love and then maybe the match would be different, you know, and I would find a way, because I did have my chances all the way till the end. It was just tough. I thought John played a great match in difficult conditions.

Q. Can you talk about what he does well, what are his strengths? What will he need to do against Novak?

ROGER FEDERER: John, well, I love his intensity. He reminds me of David Ferrer and those other guys that, you know, I admire a lot when I see them, when I see how they train, the passion they have for the game. I love his intensity.

He's got a positive demeanor about himself on and off the court. I think he's got a great backhand that he can protect very well down the line and cross-court. When you attack there in the wrong way, he will punish you, punish you every time for it.

Yeah, then he has options, now especially where it's a bit slower, to return in and return back. I think against Novak, he just has to bring it again, try to worry Novak, hope for another hot day, maybe, I don't know.

Q. Can you put the past months in perspective with what occurred at Wimbledon and Cincinnati and now here?

ROGER FEDERER: We don't have enough time, I don't think (smiling).

You know what, I explained Wimbledon already. Cincinnati was a pretty good tournament in very fast conditions where it was hard to find rhythm. But still made a finals first tournament back. I think actually I was quite happy. Was just not a good final from my side. But, okay, that can happen. It was after all Novak on the other side of the net.

Today, like I explained, it was just hot. No shame there. Just I think these are the things that unfortunately sometimes happen. So, you know, move on and take a rest. I'm happy I'm getting a rest now. Then I come back for the Laver Cup and hopefully finish the year strong.
 

Wendigo

Rookie
I see Roger is up to his usual tricks -blaming everything but his opponents superior play for losing. This time it is the humidity that is to blame, and apparently his opponent had an advantage because he comes from a humid place.

It's pathetic. It's as if those early years when he was sweeping up slams with little competition against weak opponents has made him act like a spoiled brat in defeat, ever since.

Your legacy as an all-time Top 10 player is assured, Roger. You can afford to have some dignity.
I love how the three likes to this thread are from rafa4goat, nadal_django, rafa24
 
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Deleted member 307496

Guest
I see Roger is up to his usual tricks -blaming everything but his opponents superior play for losing. This time it is the humidity that is to blame, and apparently his opponent had an advantage because he comes from a humid place.

It's pathetic. It's as if those early years when he was sweeping up slams with little competition against weak opponents has made him act like a spoiled brat in defeat, ever since.

Your legacy as an all-time Top 10 player is assured, Roger. You can afford to have some dignity.
 

Tennease

Legend
Brisbane is only humid from about October to March. Only really really humid in December, January, February.


The most humid place on earth is the archipelagos on the equator or near the equator and sea.

Brisbane is sub tropical, not tropical, so it's not very humid all the time. Winter, Autumn, Spring is generally dry.
 

zep

Hall of Fame
I thought he was fine. Humidity was indeed a major factor and Federer did praise Millman. He has come a long way in the last few years starting from say 2012-13. Before that it was a totally different story though.
 

junior74

G.O.A.T.
Brisbane is only humid from about October to March. Only really really humid in December, January, February.


The most humid place on earth is the archipelagos on the equator or near the equator and sea.

Brisbane is sub tropical, not tropical, so it's not very humid all the time. Winter, Autumn, Spring is generally dry.
Time and menopause gets all ballerinas, in the end

Even Nadalrina will feel it, in the end :eek:

 

Terenigma

G.O.A.T.
Federer has always been a sore loser, being a great and well respected champion has allowed him to hide it better for fear of looking bad in the public eye but he's always been a bad loser from what i remember. Reminds me of the whole "wind" issue with Murray and how people said he was more used to because of where he grew up. Both arguements are ridiculous but both are also pointless. Federer lost to the better player on the day and that is it.
 

OhYes

Legend
He could have taped up his knee when he went down 2 sets to 1.

Or perhaps called his cardiologist?

Federer is a novice in this art :eek:
Or..... he could "have led two sets to love and then maybe the match would be different" like that guy who called cardiologist.
 

aman92

Hall of Fame
He has never been a good loser frankly....still remember how he reduced Djokovic's comeback against him in 2011 to a mere fluke shot.
 

Spencer Gore

Hall of Fame
You have to understand that its NOT easy to give press conferences after a defeat. I am sure many of the immature posters on this forum would be beating up the reporters if it were them answering these imminent questions.
Who wouldn't wish to resort to physical violence at the thought of imminent questions!
 

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
Federer has always been a sore loser, being a great and well respected champion has allowed him to hide it better for fear of looking bad in the public eye but he's always been a bad loser from what i remember. Reminds me of the whole "wind" issue with Murray and how people said he was more used to because of where he grew up. Both arguements are ridiculous but both are also pointless. Federer lost to the better player on the day and that is it.
he is, I say this as a fan, he is probably the worst loser of the big 4 though imo contrary to the humble image, rafa is probably the second worst but is able to pass it off better. still remember the cringe press conferences from 2010/2011 imo the worst years. He's gotten better with age though and I'd say post 2014 and all, he's given a lot of credit to his opponents and naturally a lot of will be framed based on what is being asked. OP is a troll/fed hater and posted a click bait thread/post but he was actually quite calm and didn't give off any sore loser vibes at all. He gave his credit to John about playing well and handling the conditions better. I mean I think it was also obviously how poorly fed responded which is understandable given his age. those serve/error stats were not pretty
 

Azure

Legend
he is, I say this as a fan, he is probably the worst loser of the big 4 though imo contrary to the humble image, rafa is probably the second worst but is able to pass it off better. still remember the cringe press conferences from 2010/2011 imo the worst years. He's gotten better with age though and I'd say post 2014 and all, he's given a lot of credit to his opponents and naturally a lot of will be framed based on what is being asked. OP is a troll/fed hater and posted a click bait thread/post but he was actually quite calm and didn't give off any sore loser vibes at all. He gave his credit to John about playing well and handling the conditions better. I mean I think it was also obviously how poorly fed responded which is understandable given his age. those serve/error stats were not pretty
To be honest, if its hot its hot. I think a closed box with so many people generating heat by simply being there, the USTA should do something about it.
 

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
To be honest, if its hot its hot. I think a closed box with so many people generating heat by simply being there, the USTA should do something about it.
its not like fed hasn't dealt with conditions before. I know people like to act like fed came out of the womb and got favorable conditions from the get go, but he has dealt with super warm conditions and he trains in Dubai. he even said himself that he's dealt with bad conditions, but I think as one gets older the humidity just makes it harder and harder. He couldn't deal with it at this stage of his career and its not conductive to this current game style of his either. tbh its on him to deal with the conditions obviously. it is the same for both players.
 

Azure

Legend
its not like fed hasn't dealt with conditions before. I know people like to act like fed came out of the womb and got favorable conditions from the get go, but he has dealt with super warm conditions and he trains in Dubai. he even said himself that he's dealt with bad conditions, but I think as one gets older the humidity just makes it harder and harder. He couldn't deal with it at this stage of his career and its not conductive to this current game style of his either. tbh its on him to deal with the conditions obviously. it is the same for both players.
These are however "artificial" conditions created by the closure of the roof. I am not saying that the atmosphere should be like spring time in the Swiss alps. Do we want poor quality matches because of players cramping because of the humidity?
 

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
These are however "artificial" conditions created by the closure of the roof. I am not saying that the atmosphere should be like spring time in the Swiss alps. Do we want poor quality matches because of players cramping because of the humidity?
yeah, the way the roof was constructed is interesting.
 
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Deleted member 757377

Guest
He escaped the 21th grand slam loss in 39 matches played against players who have a decent (75+%) winning percentage in slams.
 

Rafa's OCD

Semi-Pro
These are however "artificial" conditions created by the closure of the roof. I am not saying that the atmosphere should be like spring time in the Swiss alps. Do we want poor quality matches because of players cramping because of the humidity?
have we forgotten the numerous times he's benefited at Wimbledon when the closure of the roof and the concomitant "artificial" conditions directly suited his game?
 

Azure

Legend
have we forgotten the numerous times he's benefited at Wimbledon when the closure of the roof and the concomitant "artificial" conditions directly suited his game?
Whose? Fed's? I am not even talking about advantages or disadvantages for 'a' player here. All I am saying is that artificial conditions should not lead to worse problems for the players. Is it better to wait for 5 hours to play a game or is it better to play under deafening and dangerously humid conditions?
 

Rafa's OCD

Semi-Pro
Whose? Fed's? I am not even talking about advantages or disadvantages for 'a' player here. All I am saying is that artificial conditions should not lead to worse problems for the players. Is it better to wait for 5 hours to play a game or is it better to play under deafening and dangerously humid conditions?
Federer benefited many times from a closed roof at Wimbledon. As he did in virtually every indoor tournament he's ever played. For years. And years. Now it's suddenly a problem. OK
 

EdSWright

Professional
“I just thought it was very hot tonight,” Federer said.
“Was just one of those nights where I guess I felt I couldn't get air.
“There was no circulation at all. I don't know, for some reason I just struggled in the conditions tonight.
“It's one of the first times it's happened to me.
“Yeah, it's uncomfortable. Clearly just keep on sweating more and more and more and more as the match goes on. You lose energy as it goes by.
“But John was able to deal with it better. He maybe comes from one of the most humid places on earth, Brisbane.
“I knew I was in for a tough one. Maybe when you feel like that, as well, you start missing chances, and I had those. That was disappointing.
“But, look, at some point also I was just happy that the match was over, I guess.”
“When you feel like that, everything is off, so... But, look, I've trained in tougher conditions,”
“I’ve played in the daytime, you know, at 120. Some days it's just not the day where the body can cope with it.
“I do believe since the roof is on that there is no air circulation in the stadium.
“I think just that makes it a totally different US Open. Plus conditions maybe were playing slower this year on top of it. You have soaking wet pants, soaking wet everything.
“The balls are in there, too. You try to play. Everything gets slower as you try to hit winners.
“Again, look, I thought the match was tough.
“I wish I could have led two sets to love and then maybe the match would be different, you know, and I would find a way, because I did have my chances all the way till the end. It was just tough.
“I thought John played a great match in difficult conditions.”

Glad he finally got around to mentioning his opponent!
I'm not seeing the smoking gun yet, Spencer. I'm afraid Fed's 20 grand slams still stand. Keep at it.
 

Deine VS

Rookie
It was OK.
He was asked and he gave his opinion.
If you think that humidity didn't have effect on a match then I don't know what to say.
All players struggled yesterday, it was hard to watch at times.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
Federer:
“There was no circulation at all. I don't know, for some reason, I just struggled in the conditions tonight.
“It's one of the first times it's happened to me."

One of the first times? What's that supposed to mean?
 

Firstservingman

Talk Tennis Guru
“I just thought it was very hot tonight,” Federer said.
“Was just one of those nights where I guess I felt I couldn't get air.
“There was no circulation at all. I don't know, for some reason I just struggled in the conditions tonight.
“It's one of the first times it's happened to me.
“Yeah, it's uncomfortable. Clearly just keep on sweating more and more and more and more as the match goes on. You lose energy as it goes by.
“But John was able to deal with it better. He maybe comes from one of the most humid places on earth, Brisbane.
“I knew I was in for a tough one. Maybe when you feel like that, as well, you start missing chances, and I had those. That was disappointing.
“But, look, at some point also I was just happy that the match was over, I guess.”
“When you feel like that, everything is off, so... But, look, I've trained in tougher conditions,”
“I’ve played in the daytime, you know, at 120. Some days it's just not the day where the body can cope with it.
“I do believe since the roof is on that there is no air circulation in the stadium.
“I think just that makes it a totally different US Open. Plus conditions maybe were playing slower this year on top of it. You have soaking wet pants, soaking wet everything.
“The balls are in there, too. You try to play. Everything gets slower as you try to hit winners.
“Again, look, I thought the match was tough.
“I wish I could have led two sets to love and then maybe the match would be different, you know, and I would find a way, because I did have my chances all the way till the end. It was just tough.
“I thought John played a great match in difficult conditions.”

Glad he finally got around to mentioning his opponent!
Gross misrepresentation as always
Seems to be a common trait with most of Fed's detractors for some reason. If a poster has trouble with either telling the truth or stringing words together coherently, chances are they dislike Federer in my experience


IQ tests for forum admission please. Should be easy enough, all the online tests are easy but there are still plenty that are difficult enough for this lot
 

Firstservingman

Talk Tennis Guru
Federer:
“There was no circulation at all. I don't know, for some reason, I just struggled in the conditions tonight.
“It's one of the first times it's happened to me."

One of the first times? What's that supposed to mean?
I'd say he means it's one of the first times he's had trouble with humid conditions in his opinion

This isn't rocket science. You can accuse him of lying or being a sore loser if you want and I'm sure you will, but it's pretty obvious what he meant.
 
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