Will Grass ever be as fast as this?

Third Serve

G.O.A.T.
This was after it was slowed down from the 90’s grass, but idk, it still looks considerably quicker than what we have today. We have little to no stats from this period concerning the grass court speeds so this is all just what I’m seeing.
 

Lleytonstation

G.O.A.T.
This was after it was slowed down from the 90’s grass, but idk, it still looks considerably quicker than what we have today. We have little to no stats from this period concerning the grass court speeds so this is all just what I’m seeing.
It is the camera work... it is not HD that is the reason... PLus it was sped up....:sneaky:
 

daggerman

Hall of Fame
The surface in those two clips does not appear faster to me than the current Wimbledon grass.

Not saying it isn't faster (I don't have any data to say either way); it just doesn't appear faster to me. Those two clips feature some big serving, aggressive baseline play, and many forays into the net, so of course the pacing of the points is generally going to be pretty quick, but I think that needs to be decoupled from the speed of the surface itself. In the more extended baseline rallies -- rare as they might be -- it looked like the players had plenty of time on the ball. Even Philippoussis seemed to have ample time to produce his elongated strokes. Also, I think the fact that Philippoussis and Schalken are pretty slow movers might give the impression that the surface is faster than it really is.
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
They should take away breaks in matches like this. They barely get to move, how can they be even tired?
 

Silverbullet96

Semi-Pro
The surface in those two clips does not appear faster to me than the current Wimbledon grass.

Not saying it isn't faster (I don't have any data to say either way); it just doesn't appear faster to me. Those two clips feature some big serving, aggressive baseline play, and many forays into the net, so of course the pacing of the points is generally going to be pretty quick, but I think that needs to be decoupled from the speed of the surface itself. In the more extended baseline rallies -- rare as they might be -- it looked like the players had plenty of time on the ball. Even Philippoussis seemed to have ample time to produce his elongated strokes. Also, I think the fact that Philippoussis and Schalken are pretty slow movers might give the impression that the surface is faster than it really is.
The heavier balls and new racketsl technology have brought change moreso than the surface speeds itself.
If you're a tennis player, try playing with lighter balls Vs. heavier balls. The heavier balls you'll be able/tend to hit harder, with more control, and spin. On the other hand, lighter balls are a little harder to control & you can't put as much spin on them. Talking from personal experience. It's also possible that the heavier balls lose speed as they fly through the air (even though you're hitting them harder), though I'm not completely sure about that one.
I think that's what's going on here with the slowing of the game, not the courts, but the balls & somewhat the rackets. I don't have much knowledge about the difference the newer rackets have brought, maybe someone else can elaborate on that.
 

Red Rick

Bionic Poster
The heavier balls and new racketsl technology have brought change moreso than the surface speeds itself.
If you're a tennis player, try playing with lighter balls Vs. heavier balls. The heavier balls you'll be able/tend to hit harder, with more control, and spin. On the other hand, lighter balls are a little harder to control & you can't put as much spin on them. Talking from personal experience. It's also possible that the heavier balls lose speed as they fly through the air (even though you're hitting them harder), though I'm not completely sure about that one.
I think that's what's going on here with the slowing of the game, not the courts, but the balls & somewhat the rackets. I don't have much knowledge about the difference the newer rackets have brought, maybe someone else can elaborate on that.
Heavy balls should be harder to hit with high initial pace but they should lose less speed as they fly through the air.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the balls used were much lighter then than now. I think even Rafa addressed that issue at Wimbledon a few years back
 

mattennis

Hall of Fame
The Schalken-Federer one is definitely way way faster than anything I've seen in the last 15 years...

It may be a compendium of different things: grass preparation, balls, strings...whatever, but the striking difference in speed is obvious.

The speed of some of Schalken's forehands is just...alien to current tennis.
 
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Sunny014

Legend
Look at the wimbledon matches between Federer and Nadal in 07, 08, balls are heavy and you have a lot of high bounce ping pong type hitting, I find that ugly and the 90s-early 00s style of play to be attractive nd fast but sadly we cannot have that type of Tennis now. The brand of Tennis played by Djokovic is the best suited for the heavy balls and big racquets, Federer has evolved from the 90s play into the modern day play but sadly he is physically outmatched by Djokovic.
 

Gerco

Rookie
I think the ball there looks a bit smaller so maybe that made the game a bit faster. Watching Wimby nowdays the ball looks like a big flully thing.
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
I think the ball there looks a bit smaller so maybe that made the game a bit faster. Watching Wimby nowdays the ball looks like a big flully thing.
Yep. That was a huge part of slowing down grass - not just the surface but the ball. You could bring some speed back without changing the current surface by changing the ball. That's something that really gets overlooked. A ton of things can be done with the ball to change the game.
 

onkystomper

Hall of Fame
The match courts at Wimbledon this year were noticably slower than the last few years. Not even comparable to Birmingham or Notts which also played slower than a few years ago. Agree on the balls being heavy, although they have not been changed since at least 2018. Not sure about before that.
 
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