Will it be feds greatest victory?

sonicare

sonicare

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If he wins tomorrow..

It has to be. I cant think of a tougher win in his career.

I mean, consider the history. 4 FO loses in a row to Rafa and the match up problems. going against the 2nd best clay courter of all time, I have declared the victory the greatest ever for fed if he wins.

come at me bros
 
Uhm.. Tough. It's up there.

But for me, the whole RG 2009 run was mentally the most amazing. He was playing terrible, all year he was pretty bad with the low coming in Miami/Monte Carlo. He started patchy at RG, losing a set to Mathieu and almost going down against Acasuso. Then suddenly Rafa went out (which was an exciting match in itself, which I'm sure Roger knew of/was watching even if he denies it) and then he had to play 4 more matches with his crappy play, his strange draw.. He invented shots that tournament which won him points and matches, it was pretty ridiculous. He seemed on the brink of defeat twice more (Haas and Del Potro) and ended up winning the missing title, on which every fan had given up on almost because of Federer's decline.

That emotional and mental buildup isn't quite the same. if you go by purely physical, the opponent, the ages, the surface, than this is his toughest task and would be his greatest achievement.


All I would hope for is people to realize that the margin's between Fed and Nad aren't that big. Nadal wins more often then not, but Federer is by no means his whipping boy or something. It would get the Nadalfans and general public to have some more respect for the Federer part in their rivalry and it would cement his claim as an all time great on EVERY surface. So yeah, to a certain degree it would be his greatest victory.
 
No, no it won't be.

Why?

No pressure. Is someone seriously gonna fault Fed for losing to Nadal in a clay final AFTER de-streaking Djoker? Come on.

Fed's greatest victory was in RG 2009, where he has LOTS of pressure after Nadal was out.

As it stands, tomorrow most if not all of the pressure is on Rafa me thinks.
 
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joeri888 said:
All I would hope for is people to realize that the margin's between Fed and Nad aren't that big. Nadal wins more often then not, but Federer is by no means his whipping boy or something.
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Nadal and Federer have had CLOSE matches all the time except a couple that I can count on one hand.

If the people you speak of haven't realized this and still call Fed Nadal's whipping boy after all these matches, a win tomorrow certainly won't change that.
 
@OP: Yes no doubt it would be but this is akin to me saying I would be the richest man in the neighbourhood If I won the lottery,heck there's more chance of that happening than Fed beating Nadal tomorrow.

namelessone said:
No, no it won't be.
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Eh,yes it certainly would be.Methuselah Roger beating Nadal at his peak would be one of the biggest upsets in tennis history and no doubt it would have gone as the biggest win in Fed's career bar none.

namelessone said:
As it stands, tomorrow most if not all of the pressure is on Rafa me thinks.
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Wrong again,all the pressure is on Roger as this is one of his last chances to win another slam given his old age while Nadal has plenty peaking years ahead of him and will have tons of more chances.As long as he avoids Novak playing in 2011 form,he'll win every tournament he enters.
 
namelessone said:
Nadal and Federer have had CLOSE matches all the time except a couple that I can count on one hand.

If the people you speak of haven't realized this and still call Fed Nadal's whipping boy after all these matches, a win tomorrow certainly won't change that.
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You seem a sensible, yet somewhat underdoggish/pessimistic nadalfan. People will realize at some point that what Federer did was great, even if his backhand had a tough time against Nadal.

Like I said in my previous post. On a mental point of view, his 2009 RG win was much bigger, but purely physical, the surface, the opponent, the age he's at, the number of sets to be played, it really couldn't get much tougher for Roger.
 
zagor said:
@OP: Yes no doubt it would be but this is akin to me saying I would be the richest man in the neighbourhood If I won the lottery,heck there's more chance of that happening than Fed beating Nadal tomorrow.



Eh,yes it certainly would be.Methuselah Roger beating Nadal at his peak would be one of the biggest upsets in tennis history and no doubt it would have gone as the biggest win in Fed's career bar none.



Wrong again,all the pressure is on Roger as this is one of his last chances to win another slam given his old age while Nadal has plenty peaking years ahead of him and will have tons of more chances.As long as he avoids Novak playing in 2011 form,he'll win every tournament he enters.
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I like how you make Federer sound like some clown that is an extreme underdog, the way Nadal fans have tried for so long. Keep it up until tomorrow evening.
 
As for the matchup issue, I suspect it may just work against the player it is in favour of this time. I had believed last year if Fed had reached the final, Nad may have been in for a big surprise, except the plan was upset due to Soderling playing go for broke and getting everything one inch inside the line.
 
joeri888 said:
Like I said in my previous post. On a mental point of view, his 2009 RG win was much bigger, but purely physical, the surface, the opponent, the age he's at, the number of sets to be played, it really couldn't get much tougher for Roger.
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I have to disagree.

In tennis it's all about what you can lose on a given occassion.

2011: Federer comes into RG as the invisible man, with streakman Djokovic and Nadal as the two main favs. Nadal is nowhere near the past level of play he's shown in RG and Djoker is very much in form. NO ONE will fault Fed for losing to either of these guys as he has a history with Nadal and Djoker hasn't been beaten for six months, not to mention the fact that this is Fed's worst surface.

2009: Clay monster is still rolling, Fed has to prove to everybody that he is not a goner in slams after AO 2009. There is big pressure from the onset yet it rises TENFOLD when Nadal exits the tournament. Suddenly, the ONLY thing stopping Roger here for four years is gone. Federer stumbles nearly in every round but he does win it in the end. At the time it looked that if Fed messes this one up he may NEVER win RG, which wouldn't have been too far from the truth since Rafa stormed RG again in 2010.

If Fed fails to win RG 2011, few people will accuse him after what he's done so far.

If Fed failed to win RG 2009 after Rafa was out, many of his supporters would have badmouthed him.
 
sonicare said:
If he wins tomorrow..

It has to be. I cant think of a tougher win in his career.

I mean, consider the history. 4 FO loses in a row to Rafa and the match up problems. going against the 2nd best clay courter of all time, I have declared the victory the greatest ever for fed if he wins.

come at me bros
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I think it will be because he was never able to beat Rafa at the FO and it was always such a struggle for him, but if he is able to win FO twice, it will seal his legacy. Plus, it will give him the much needed confidence to win more grand slams. :twisted:
 
I'm inclined to say yes, it will be because:

1. His age (in comparison to his peak, and the peaks of Ralph/Nole)
2. His opponent
3. His semi-final opponent
4. His doubters.
5. His self belief due to the above points 1-4.

Allez Roger, Allez!
 
No, because:
1) The courts are lightning quick
2) The balls are way to fast and light
3) Nadal is semi-injured as will be pointed out if Nadal loses
4) Nadal has lost his confidence thanks to Novak

:)
 
Ralph said:
I'm inclined to say yes, it will be because:

1. His age (in comparison to his peak, and the peaks of Ralph/Nole)
2. His opponent
3. His semi-final opponent
4. His doubters.
5. His self belief due to the above points 1-4.

Allez Roger, Allez!
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I think hands down it would be his biggest win of his career. For all the reasons above.
 
I would definitely have to say it would be his greatest victory. I don't think his legacy would be particularly tarnished if he loses again here to Nadal, but it would be elevated significantly if he won. Although I don't agree with this assessment, many people feel 2009 was a 'fluke', and that Federer only won because Soderling took out the French Open monster. Another French title, especially over Nadal, would nullify any 'fluke' descriptions.

In addition, if Federer can win here, now, he'll have 'struck back' at Nadal after losing Wimbledon 2008 and Australian Open 2009, defeating Nadal on what is essentially Nadal's home turf. I think with the balls, court speed, wind and recent form, it could be a 'perfect storm' for Federer. That's why I think this match will be much closer than their 2008 contest, even if Nadal expectedly prevails again. He's still a big underdog, and probably won't be too upset if he loses, but he does have an excellent opportunity to do the unthinkable here.
 
Ralph said:
I'm inclined to say yes, it will be because:

1. His age (in comparison to his peak, and the peaks of Ralph/Nole)
2. His opponent
3. His semi-final opponent
4. His doubters.
5. His self belief due to the above points 1-4.

Allez Roger, Allez!
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6. His worst surface
 
It would be the biggest win of Fed but as zagor earlier mentioned, bigger chances are that your gonna get money from lottery, so better don't get your hopes up as you'll get only disappointed.
 
How quickly people forget. Before the 2009 FO, Federer had a great career, but not a complete career. Since that tournament, everything has been icing on the cake. Tomorrow might present his greatest victory in terms of overcoming difficulty (Djokovic and Nadal in a row, while both were higher ranked than him), but in short, the impact of success tomorrow won't be as great as the impact of success was when he first won in RG.

All in all, I guess it really depends on how you define "greatest."
 
namelessone said:
No, no it won't be.

Why?

No pressure. Is someone seriously gonna fault Fed for losing to Nadal in a clay final AFTER de-streaking Djoker? Come on.

Fed's greatest victory was in RG 2009, where he has LOTS of pressure after Nadal was out.

As it stands, tomorrow most if not all of the pressure is on Rafa me thinks.
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You apparently don't know a lot about sports.

Graf had no pressure at all in the FO 99 final against Hingis.
But of course her win was her greatest ever.

And should Feddy win tommorrow it would be - by far - his finest hour.
 
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