Will Jannik Sinner be banned in 2025?

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Sinner and the doping case, where we are: Jannik's memoirs in a few days, the trial in February

While Italy celebrates the Davis Cup and Sinner's extraordinary season, in Jannik's mind there is a thought that does not abandon him: the appeal to the Tas which could be resolved even after the Australian Open. The World Anti-Doping Agency has decided to appeal the ITIA's decision which, after turning to an independent tribunal, had declared Sinner innocent, finding neither guilt nor malice in the accidental intake of the prohibited substance, Clostebol, a steroid contained in Trofodermin , the healing agent given by the trainer Umberto Ferrara to the physiotherapist Giacomo Naldi who was injured.

DE NOVO— The judgment before the CAS is de novo, that is, the legitimacy of the first instance decision is not judged but the merits are re-examined from the beginning. Sinner will have to prove that he was not negligent or, alternatively, that he was not significantly negligent. If no negligence is found, there will be no sanction against the world number 1, while in the second case, i.e. if he is deemed negligent, the sanction can range from a minimum of 12 months to a maximum of 24 months. A case, that of Sinner, which cannot be compared to that of Simona Halep: for the player it was contamination while for Jannik it was a prohibited substance.

AGENDA- From the information that has filtered out, Wada has filed the appeal brief and chosen its arbitrator, and in a few days the player's team should also file its brief. The college should be complete soon and the trial could take place in February, before the American hard court tournaments, the same ones where Jannik tested positive for Clostebol in 2023. However, there is no certainty about the dates: the arbitration will take place when all parties agree and it is not easy with a tennis player busy 40 weeks a year.
 
For obvious reasons I hope and have voted for the scenario that will not be disqualified.
But in reality no one can say too much at the moment.
I would dismiss the 2-year disqualification hypothesis out of hand, but the risk of a 12-month disqualification due to strict liability/negligence, if it is proven, is more real than one might think.
 
Winner Sinner said:
For obvious reasons I hope and have voted for the scenario that will not be disqualified.
But in reality no one can say too much at the moment.
I would dismiss the 2-year disqualification hypothesis out of hand, but the risk of a 12-month disqualification due to strict liability/negligence, if it is proven, is more real than one might think.
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Of course no one knows, the point is what you think will happen.
 
Just like Govts. bail out big banks in trouble deeming them “too big to fail”, Sinner has become too successful for the tennis establishment to let him be banned. We already saw how they dealt with him this year compared to lower ranked players. Is WADA really that independent that they can come up with a ruling that the tennis authorities do not want? I doubt it.
 
Aabye5 said:
Of course no one knows, the point is what you think will happen.
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But how do I or do we tell you what will happen if we don't know at all what type of accusatory thesis Wada will base the appeal on, and on which defensive thesis Sinner's poll of lawyers will base its defense?

At the moment we only know that Wada is basing the appeal on strict liability for negligence, but we do not know how solid his thesis may be, and on which aspects he will want to demonstrate the strict liability of the tennis player.

Answering such a question is equivalent to flipping a coin and choosing what comes out between heads and tails.
I can tell you what I hope will happen, and I already have, but I can't know what will happen.
 
Man I hope the Doper is punished and yes banned in 2025. Cheaters deserve the penalty.

I also think his titles and earnings since the positive test should be stripped.
 
He will have a short ban. About 3 months between AO and RG . Just enough to preserve the veneer of th sport and of the WADA but nothing with long term ramifications
 
Will find out most likely in December - mid to late December that is.

I don’t think he will be. I’ve had my opinions on the story and two failed tests. I don’t know truly how much the cream really enhances your performance nor how much you need to take for it to do so. Nor do I know the half life. Guess we’ll leave it up to the experts to decide.
 
I go to bed every night, and wake up every morning thinking about that.
Whatever the verdict, it will be unfair.
 
If Sinner is not banned it will only keep the doping talk going and Sinner will feel uncomfortable forever. If Sinner is banned, then at least there will be a closure and it will do Sinner good. Honestly if Sinner was banned since Indian Wells this year it would have been better for him and for his own mental health. Right now he's been having anxiety.
 
Nothing against Jannik Sinner, but I am not buying his clostebol story.

I think there's a good chance that he could be banned next year.
 
FeroBango said:
Depends on whether such a cream/spray unites a country when it comes to doping (38 Italian athletes) and carries a giant doping warning on it.

Anyway, no one cares if you and I shoot roids to death. Sinner and pros? Yes they are responsible to doping however they spin their story.
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If i use a cream for sunburned lips, will my results improve?

Im just asking for a little nuance here. If we dont look at the Armstrong/Sochi doping machine different than unintentional doping, we are at a bad place imo.
 
Jonas78 said:
If i use a cream for sunburned lips, will my results improve?
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Depends if you already have the generational talent that players like Sinner have or not.

For even folks such as Jarry - who are talented players a few planets away from whatever your level likely is - roids alone won't do.
 
FeroBango said:
Depends if you already have the generational talent that players like Sinner have or not.

For even folks such as Jarry - who are a few planets away from whatever your level likely is - roids alone won't do.
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As i edited my last post, im jusk asking for a little nuance. If Sinners case is true, its not the same as the Sochi or Armstrong scandal.
 
Jonas78 said:
As i edited my last post, im jusk asking for a little nuance. If Sinners case is true, its not the same as the Sochi or Armstrong scandal.
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Perfectly fair. Ultimately it's a matter of whether we believe Sinner's story to be believable or not. You should not feel bad to be kind to Sinner in this case at all.

We all see what we see.
 
FeroBango said:
Perfectly fair. Ultimately it's a matter of whether we believe Sinner's story to be believable or not. You should not feel bad to be kind to Sinner in this case at all.

We all see what we see.
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Well tbh, ofc i dont have a clue if he is clean or not.

What im almost 100% certain of, is that if the tests are so sensitive that cream from another persons hands can cause a positive test, then you will have a lot of cases of unintentional doping, because we are human after all, we do mistakes.

In the future there will almost certainly also be cases of doping your opponent (if there hasnt been already?). I mean, you dont need to do a Tonya Harding, there will be sophisticated ways to dope and ban your opponent.

To me it doesnt make sense not to separate unintentional doping from intentional, but thats me :giggle:
 
Jonas78 said:
Well tbh, ofc i dont have a clue if he is clean or not.

What im almost 100% certain of, is that if the tests are so sensitive that cream from another persons hands can cause a positive test, then you will have a lot of cases of unintentional doping, because we are human after all, we do mistakes.

In the future there will almost certainly also be cases of doping your opponent (if there hasnt been already?). I mean, you dont need to do a Tonya Harding, there will be sophisticated ways to dope and ban your opponent.

To me it doesnt make sense not to separate unintentional doping from intentional, but thats me :giggle:
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Ok, but that's why there's a label on the cream and that's why you read the labels if you're a pro athlete trying to stay above board.

They get paid a lot of money and are expected to show some due diligence. This was sloppy at best.
 
Aabye5 said:
Ok, but that's why there's a label on the cream and that's why you read the labels if you're a pro athlete trying to stay above board.

They get paid a lot of money and are expected to show some due diligence. This was sloppy at best.
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Intentionality hasn't mattered as much in these cases as the matter of having the substance in the body.

Even if Jannik is innocent, it is understandable that people are upset at the way he's been treated differently. Perhaps the same would be the case too if Alcaraz or the big 3 had failed these tests too but in this non-hypothetical case, Sinner deserved more than a 3-day holiday of a ban that was revealed after he already had played several slams and masters in the interim.
 
Aabye5 said:
Ok, but that's why there's a label on the cream and that's why you read the labels if you're a pro athlete trying to stay above board.

They get paid a lot of money and are expected to show some due diligence. This was sloppy at best.
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Sure i agree, but we are human, we make mistakes.
 
Jonas78 said:
The mistake was obviously for the physio to use it before treating Sinner :)
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Ferrera if I'm not wrong, is a pharmaceutical chemist. I'd understand the silly explanation given by the Sinner team of the person who supplied the spray allegedly to Naldi was an illiterate.
 
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