Will Murray ever beat Federer again?

[Deleted member 688153]

I think there is a solid chance it won't happen.

Federer will retire and will not do a Hewitt, and I think he will be good enough to beat Andy until the day he retires.

Their match-up used to be close or even in Andy's favour, but since Federer has started his new tactics, Murray has won a total of 1 set against him (and that was a tiebreak that he shouldn't have won anyway).

I think the current match-up between the two is terrible for Andy, look at their last match for instance.

Assuming Fed doesn't go off a cliff, yet still manages to meet Andy in the draw, I don't think it's going to happen again.

 

[chjtennis]

I'm pretty sure he will. Murray is getting better and better and is now almost back to his pre-surgery form. Federer is having some success with the racket change but sadly, it's all down hill for him from here. It's just a matter of how quickly or slowly he will regress, but it is just according to the inevitable force of nature that he will decline. Federer wants to stick around a few more years, or as long as he can still play at top 10 level, which means they will meet plenty more times from now. Murray should win more of the remaining encounters for obvious reasons.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

I'm pretty sure he will. Murray is getting better and better and is now almost back to his pre-surgery form. Federer is having some success with the racket change but sadly, it's all down hill for him from here. It's just a matter of how quickly or slowly he will regress, but it is just according to the inevitable force of nature that he will decline. Federer wants to stick around a few more years, or as long as he can still play at top 10 level, which means they will meet plenty more times from now. Murray should win more of the remaining encounters for obvious reasons.

I think Fed can stay where he is now until retirement, though.
Who is challenging him for that #2 spot?
The point difference is in the thousands.

Also I don't think Murray is going to return to 2012/2013 level.

 

[Bukmeikara]

I think there is a solid chance it won't happen.

Federer will retire and will not do a Hewitt, and I think he will be good enough to beat Andy until the day he retires.

Their match-up used to be close or even in Andy's favour, but since Federer has started his new tactics, Murray has won a total of 1 set against him (and that was a tiebreak that he shouldn't have won anyway).

I think the current match-up between the two is terrible for Andy, look at their last match for instance.

Assuming Fed doesn't go off a cliff, yet still manages to meet Andy in the draw, I don't think it's going to happen again.

Its arrogant to think that someone like Murray still in his prime wont defeat an aging Federer. It can happen but still its very unlikely if both remain healthy.

 

[Inanimate_object]

Murray will not go away quietly. He will win another slam, and will not mind if Federer is in his way.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

Murray will not go away quietly. He will win another slam, and will not mind if Federer is in his way.

Which major will he beat Fed at?
Keep in mind that if Fed isn't playing well, he won't make it far enough to meet Murray, much like the case with Nadal.

I don't see Murray beating Djokovic again soon either, especially outside Wimbledon.

Novak puts so much effort into Masters that he can lock down the season quite well, even at 1 major/year.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

Its arrogant to think that someone like Murray still in his prime wont defeat an aging Federer. It can happen but still its very unlikely if both remain healthy.

Not trying to be arrogant.
I think Fed is mostly if not completely done winning the largest tournaments.

But I think a combination of match-up, the effect of Fed not meeting Andy if he isn't playing well, and a tremendously weak field will mean that a circumstance where Andy meets and beats Federer is unlikely IMO.

 

[AnotherTennisProdigy]

This is all based on the assumption that Murray stays in this slump that he's been in since injury. Will he win another major? I don't think so, but I think he'll raise his game to at least close to what it was before. (although I don't think he'll ever match his Lendl form ever again).

 

[tennisaddict]

Murray can definitely beat Federer at AO .

 

[chjtennis]

I think Fed can stay where he is now until retirement, though.
Who is challenging him for that #2 spot?
The point difference is in the thousands.

Also I don't think Murray is going to return to 2012/2013 level.

If you talk just about the rankings, it won't change in a few months but Murray has a good chance to get to no.2 by the end of this year since we've only had 1 slam + 2 Master 1000s this year. In terms of playing level, Murray will, I believe, get back to his 2012/13 level soon. He will maintain that level for a couple of years, but he himself is getting old and will be knocking on the age of 30 in 2 years so his time is running out pretty quickly. I think 2016-2017 should be Murray's last chance at YE no.1, and he should win slams and get to no.1 in that period otherwise it may never happen. For Federer, he is slowly but visibly regressing, and no one knows when he will be so bad that people won't take him as a serious threat to win a slam. I think he is still good enough in 2015 but that's all. Can't predict how good the old man will be even in 2016. The point difference changes quite quickly after Wimbledon, so let's wait and see what happens then.

 

[Zetty]

Age is on Murray's side, should be asking this question about if he'll ever beat Nadal or Djokovic again

 

[RalphJ]

Murray will never never never never never never never ever ever ever beat Federer again. Ever!!!!!

 

[cc0509]

More silliness?

Yes, Murray will beat Federer again. Come on guys!

 

[Boom-Boom]

Who is this Murray guy?

 

[D.Nalby12]

This is all based on the assumption that Murray stays in this slump that he's been in since injury. Will he win another major? I don't think so, but I think he'll raise his game to at least close to what it was before. (although I don't think he'll ever match his Lendl form ever again).

I'm wondering which miracles Murray used to do in his mythical peak years under Lendl. Perhaps Lendl gets over credited for Murray's GS wins. Mauresmo is good coach too and so far this season approaching 28, Murray's performance easily par with his performance two years ago when he was supposed to be best physical shape.

I think we all can agree on analysis that Murray's performance in Miami so far easily better than his 2013 title run. Murray admittedly believes his AO form was one of best in years and easily better than his Wimbledon 13 form. Murray's ambitious hard worker who keeps improving no matter who coaches him. I feel he's working in right direction and it's certainly possible this could turn into his one of best years in his career, could be better than 2012.

I think you guys need to lift above preestablished line of thought about Murray's performance with new coach realistically analysing efforts he's putting to improve his game. Nobody talks about it, nobody appreciates the way he bounced back from average year and humiliating defeat. Everyone seems to be obsessed with same old Lendl story and supposed golden days.

Murray is doing everything what he could do with new coach. Only additional factor he needs, which Lendl brought is truckload of luck. I'm not sure Mauresmo will able to bring that.

 

[mike danny]

Federer will turn 34 this year. Because of the huge age difference, Murray will beat Federer again at some point.

The player I don't think he will ever beat again is Djokovic. This is the better question to answer.

Federer isn't as stroing a cnadidate as Djokovic for a big title. Djokovic will be the one Murray will have to worry about of he wants to win another big title of any kind.

 

[Algo]

Almost certainly.

 

[jg153040]

I think there is a solid chance it won't happen.

Federer will retire and will not do a Hewitt, and I think he will be good enough to beat Andy until the day he retires.

Their match-up used to be close or even in Andy's favour, but since Federer has started his new tactics, Murray has won a total of 1 set against him (and that was a tiebreak that he shouldn't have won anyway).

I think the current match-up between the two is terrible for Andy, look at their last match for instance.

Assuming Fed doesn't go off a cliff, yet still manages to meet Andy in the draw, I don't think it's going to happen again.

I don't think so. Federer is no longer in his prime. Murray was only beating Fed when Fed was in his prime, now that Fed is old, Fed owns him.

 

[Sysyphus]

The thing is that poor Murray racked up his wins in a time when Fed didn't care to play vulture at #minors. Federer now—for whatever weird, inexplainable raison—cares very much indeed for the #minors (no pun intended here—Roger is an upstanding citizen), and hence he will not let poor Andy rack up any more petty wins against him. Now, some rabid Murrayists will surely say "what about AO2013?". Well, Rodge clearly injured, won't happen again. Some will also say "What about Olympics 2012?", and to that I say #minors.

 

[TheMusicLover]

More silliness?

It never ends, does it...

Yes, Murray will beat Federer again. Come on guys!

Of course he will. Just a mere matter of time.

 

[RalphJ]

We know he will, it's just a stupid thread.

 

[RF-18]

Hahahaha ''Who is Federer?''

that deserves a vote alone

 

[Sysyphus]

Who is really Roger Federer though? I mean, really. Who is Roger Federer? Like, really? Heard a lot about him, never really got what kinda' guy that was.

 

[Hood_Man]

Man, what a difference a few years makes, eh? Halfway through 2009 this thread would have been the complete opposite.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

Who is really Roger Federer though? I mean, really. Who is Roger Federer? Like, really? Heard a lot about him, never really got what kinda' guy that was.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=9210038

 

[Feather]

More silliness?

Yes, Murray will beat Federer again. Come on guys!

Seriously, some Roger Federer fans are too silly. Seppi who has never beaten Roger finally did it, that too in B05. And they assume Murray who has beaten Roger many times will not be able to beat it..

There are so many teen agers in this forum, I assume :lol:

 

[The Green Mile]

Andy's level of play is much better than what it was, and I think he will start to become more consistent again soon. Yes, I think he will defeat Roger again and probably this year!...

 

[Deleted member 688153]

I wouldn't be so quick to judge it this way, guys, even though that might just be me.

Any time Federer is playing well enough to go deep, he is beating Murray.
Andy, at the moment, is very overrated.
He is clearing through easy opponents, sure, but is then losing to the very top with some consistency.

If Federer is playing poorly, he won't reach Murray.

It's the same deal with how I don't necessarily think Djokovic is going to even up the H2H with Nadal.
They're not likely to meet in circumstances where Rafa is playing poorly.

 

[The Green Mile]

I wouldn't be so quick to judge it this way, guys, even though that might just be me.

Any time Federer is playing well enough to go deep, he is beating Murray.
Andy, at the moment, is very overrated.
He is clearing through easy opponents, sure, but is then losing to the very top with some consistency.

If Federer is playing poorly, he won't reach Murray.

It's the same deal with how I don't necessarily think Djokovic is going to even up the H2H with Nadal.
They're not likely to meet in circumstances where Rafa is playing poorly.

A QF showing could be possible after the Clay season. Depending on how Nishi and Muzza and possibly Raonic play. Both Fed and Murray are capable of reaching that stage in some tournaments, without playing great tennis.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

A QF showing could be possible after the Clay season. Depending on how Nishi and Muzza and possibly Raonic play. Both Fed and Murray are capable of reaching that stage in some tournaments, without playing great tennis.

Quite possibly, but post-clay, I would favour Federer heavily unless he has a bad day, which he would be unlikely to in a QF.

The other thing is that I think Fed has Andy's number since he changed his playing patterns.

 

[cc0509]

Seriously, some Roger Federer fans are too silly. Seppi who has never beaten Roger finally did it, that too in B05. And they assume Murray who has beaten Roger many times will not be able to beat it..

There are so many teen agers in this forum, I assume :lol:

Yep. It seems so. Very young and with little life experience. They have not learned that things can change very quickly in tennis. Eventually they will.

 

[jg153040]

We know he will, it's just a stupid thread.

How do we know? Nobody can predict the future. So it's not a fact at all.

We all know it's very likely that he will, but that is far from knowing.

 

[jm1980]

Yes. Upcoming Wimbledon SF:

[3] Murray def. [2] Federer, 6-1, 6-3, 5-0 ret.

 

[King Fed WW]

Of course lol.

Poor trolling.

 

[D.Nalby12]

I think there is a solid chance it won't happen.

Federer will retire and will not do a Hewitt, and I think he will be good enough to beat Andy until the day he retires.

Their match-up used to be close or even in Andy's favour, but since Federer has started his new tactics, Murray has won a total of 1 set against him (and that was a tiebreak that he shouldn't have won anyway).

I think the current match-up between the two is terrible for Andy, look at their last match for instance.

Assuming Fed doesn't go off a cliff, yet still manages to meet Andy in the draw, I don't think it's going to happen again.

I agree with your overall line of thought but I think predicting Murray losing every match against Federer from here is not far from exaggeration.

Murray is 6 years younger than Federer. It is huge advantage as we all know. From here Federer having off days like Seppi will be more frequent scenario than past. Can you imagine, how badly Murray would've beaten Federer in AO, if he had made it to QF?

So Murray will most likely beat Federer again but safe bet from my side will be predicting Fed's win in their majority of future encounters, let's say 6/8 wins. (75% winning ratio)

Federer has already solved his matchup problem with Murray winning 10 out of last 15 matches since Cincinnati 2009.

Now I come to his decision of switching bigger racket and adding Edbergian approach to his game. If someone asks me how racket change and hiring Edberg has helped him, then I'll say he's more closer to his 2004-07 aggressive, efficient All Court Game than he was during timeframe 2010-13. Numbers don't lie. He has most consistent season since 2007 last year in terms of overall win % (85%+), number of Finals (11) and record against Top 10 players. (17-5)

His overall record against Top 10's in last 15 months is quite spectacular (21-6) for his age. This shows not only for Murray but every top player, he's much tougher to beat right now.

I pointed this out earlier and posted in other thread that currently he seems to be in position implementing his game more efficiently. Though his peak level of play ain't high like used to be but his average level of play seems to be good enough to take care of limited players like Berdych, Murray consistently. Both will struggle to win sets against Fedberg, let alone matches till he significantly declines or gets injured. I strongly believe Federer has two more years left in him in which he will continue to remain relevant factor at top, like he's now. So more wins to come and more bumps.

Thread subscribed.

 

[D.Nalby12]

This thread needs a bump. Federer is 4-0 against Murray including 2-0 in GS tournaments since adopting new tactics with bigger frame. Murray is struggling to win a just set against updated version of Federer. I think trend will continue in BO3 but in BO5 Murray will find the way to beat him eventually.

 

[helterskelter]

At majors, I'd have thought Murray's best chance against Federer would be in Australia, which is indeed the only place at which he's beaten him. Murray might have won the Australian Open a few times by now were it not for his Djokovic problem there.

 

[smoledman]

This thread needs a bump. Federer is 4-0 against Murray including 2-0 in GS tournaments since adopting new tactics with bigger frame. Murray is struggling to win a just set against updated version of Federer. I think trend will continue in BO3 but in BO5 Murray will find the way to beat him eventually.

Are you so sure about that? Backray might never figure it out.

 

[tennisaddict]

Yes. Upcoming Wimbledon SF:

[3] Murray def. [2] Federer, 6-1, 6-3, 5-0 ret.

Haha...

10s

 

[jm1980]

Haha...

10s

Ha! I got the seeding and the round right.

 

[zagor]

If Fed doesn't retire soon, it's a pretty safe bet he will beat him again. It could happen as soon as Canada this year for example.

 

[The_18th_Slam]

If they play at AO next year, Murray is winning.

 

[jm1980]

If they play at AO next year, Murray is winning.

I would rate Murray's chances in an HC match this year from good to excellent

 

[The_18th_Slam]

I would rate Murray's chances in an HC match this year from good to excellent

He has a decent chance to beat Federer anywhere this year (except maybe WTF, where Federer would be a huge favorite), but I don't think I'd have Murray as the favorite anywhere until the AO next year.

 

[Rebel-I.N.S]

Which major will he beat Fed at?
Keep in mind that if Fed isn't playing well, he won't make it far enough to meet Murray, much like the case with Nadal.

I don't see Murray beating Djokovic again soon either, especially outside Wimbledon.

Novak puts so much effort into Masters that he can lock down the season quite well, even at 1 major/year.

Any of the 4.

Seriously, chill with the knee jerk reactions.

Murray will have plenty of opportunities to play (and beat) Federer.

It will happen.

 

[kishnabe]

Federer getting older while Murray is in his peak years. Something gotta give

 

[West Coast Ace]

Yes. Upcoming Wimbledon SF:

[3] Murray def. [2] Federer, 6-1, 6-3, 5-0 ret.

Great job, melon head. The prognostication skills are First Rate - not!

Yes, Murray will. Probably not at a major or WTF.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

Any of the 4.

Seriously, chill with the knee jerk reactions.

Murray will have plenty of opportunities to play (and beat) Federer.

It will happen.

Don't worry, that post of mine is ancient.
I wouldn't say something like this now.

I wouldn't be surprised if Murray wins the next meeting, Fed didn't win today because Murray wasn't any good or something.

 

[Rebel-I.N.S]

Don't worry, that post of mine is ancient.
I wouldn't say something like this now.

I wouldn't be surprised if Murray wins the next meeting, Fed didn't win today because Murray wasn't any good or something.

Apologies, my bad.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

He may be seeded to meet Federer at the US Open. I bet if they meet he'd at least put up more of a resistance. Federer is just the grass court GOAT, no shame in losing to him at any age.