Will nadal beat federer's grand slam record??

[TheLoneWolf]

I was talking about threats at slams, not rankings. I thought that was very clear

nadal was all fine when murray took care of him at this year's AO - in fact he was playing some very good tennis

I don't see anyone except djoker challenging nadal for the 2nd spot ( rafa should get it back eventually ) ... murray isn't good enough on clay ... delpo is injured way too often, but of course he is a threat at the slams

At least you make some sense, unlike some morons.

I honestly think Nadal wasn't fully recovered at this year's AO. Yes, he was playing very good tennis. But his physical form wasn't as good as it is now (or as it was in 08.) Regardless, Murray deserves props for beating Nadal at his own game (regardless of Nadal's actual form.)

Djoker has been playing like crap for a while now. I hope he didn't, but sometimes I wonder what goes through his mind. I think DelPo is a bigger threat to Nadal now than Djoker is.

 

[JennyS]

Why Nadal likely won't beat Federer (or Sampras for that matter): even during his peak prime form of 08-early 09, it still took monumental efforts to just win two non French Open Slams.

Just consider that Bjorn Borg won his 4th Wimbledon at 23 and 5th at 24. Sampras had 4 US Opens when he won his 4th Wimbledon. Federer won 5 straight at Wimbledon and the US Open (winning both in the same year four straight times!).

Nadal basically has to start winning lots and lots of non French Open majors right now to even have a chance at the record. So even if he winds up with 7 French Opens, he'd still need at least 10 outside the French to beat Federer.

 

[David123]

no he wont he gets injured way too many times.

 

[abmk]

At least you make some sense, unlike some morons.

I honestly think Nadal wasn't fully recovered at this year's AO. Yes, he was playing very good tennis. But his physical form wasn't as good as it is now (or as it was in 08.) Regardless, Murray deserves props for beating Nadal at his own game (regardless of Nadal's actual form.)

Djoker has been playing like crap for a while now. I hope he didn't, but sometimes I wonder what goes through his mind. I think DelPo is a bigger threat to Nadal now than Djoker is.

Sorry, rafa was 100% at the AO. Can't give a player the liberty of excuses of health problems when he's been playing 5-6 months tennis ( rafa played quite a lot after wimby ) .....he had a month off ... reached the final of doha where he played great against davydenko , but still lost , looked all physically fine to me then .....

Going by your standards, I could be yapping about federer's mono affecting him at the FO and perhaps even wimby in 2008 ....

 

[Lsmkenpo]

Ferrero has improved more the past 2 years than Soderling has. Simple fact. Ferrero hasn't won a slam in ages (what was it, 2003?) You said the last 2 years. Even 1 year ago, Ferrero was not in the top 100, and now he is #16. It's elementary math.

Complete BS, the furthest Ferrero has ever dropped in the past 5 years was to 55th, nice try liar. Ferrero's average ranking has been consistently around the twenties for the past 5 years, get the facts right if you want to debate with me. http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Juan-Carlos-Ferrero.aspx

You insist on Soderling and Nadal's last 2 matches. I guess that when you don't have any achievements worth mentioning to your credit, that's what you have to fall back on: "Oh, yeah, I defeated Nadal two times when he was injured..." What an achievement. LOL

Not quite, it is indisputable that Soderling improved the past 2 years, but I guess you can't understand that play from years ago is not equal to current results to determine a players form.

As for Ferrero being a Slam contender, neither is Soderling. RG last year was a giant fluke. He would have never passed Nadal under normal conditions.

LMAO, he fluked his way to the finals, against the hardest draw in the tournament, what about the WTF was his performance there also a fluke?

 

[TheLoneWolf]

Sorry, rafa was 100% at the AO. Can't give a player the liberty of excuses of health problems when he's been playing 5-6 months tennis ( rafa played quite a lot after wimby ) .....he had a month off ... reached the final of doha where he played great against davydenko , but still lost , looked all physically fine to me then .....

Going by your standards, I could be yapping about federer's mono affecting him at the FO and perhaps even wimby in 2008 ....

Recovering from tendinitis when you are an elite athlete is not like shaking off a cold. Even if Nadal's knees might have felt better there is still a whole lot of other factors (confidence, playing form, etc) that also suffer. Nadal wasn't back to his best at AO, plain and simple. Not to say that Murray didn't play a great match, which he did. Props to him.

You can excuse Federer for the mono and I wouldn't have any problem with that. While it wouldn't have made a difference in the final result at the FO, at least he might have gotten a little less of a beatdown had it not been for the mono. As for Wimbledon, I honestly didn't see Fed's form affected by mono. He didn't seem fatigued at all, but that match was also atypical because of the rain, so it might have been a factor in making it more bearable for Fed also due to the frequent breaks.

Tendinitis of the knees and mono unfortunately are not the same thing. Also, Nadal relies way more on his physical form than Fed does due to his style of play. So it makes sense that Nadal's form has been way more affected than Fed's was when he had the mono.

 

[rommil]

Will Nadal beat Fed's GS record? This question is answered in the same word Nadal ends his sentences............NO.

 

[TheLoneWolf]

Complete BS, the furthest Ferrero has ever dropped in the past 5 years was to 55th, nice try liar. Ferrero's average ranking has been consistently around the twenties for the past 5 years, get the facts right if you want to debate with me. http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Juan-Carlos-Ferrero.aspx

Ferrero's ranking on April of 2009 got to be as low as 115. Anybody can check on that in the same link that you post, but the chart that you are looking at is the year end rankings (not the rankings throughout the year.)

You just called me a liar and told me to get the facts right, yet here you are failing again, dumbdumb.

If you know how to click your mouse (I'm starting to doubt it) you just need to click on the Rankings History link in the page that you post. LOL.

Not quite, it is indisputable that Soderling improved the past 2 years, but I guess you can't understand that play from years ago is not equal to current results to determine a players form.




LMAO, he fluked his way to the finals, against the hardest draw in the tournament, what about the WTF was his performance there also a fluke?

He had a good tournament, I've never disputed that. It was a fluke in his overall career though. Similar to what Ljubicic achieved in IW. What's so hard to understand about this?

Remember:
Nadal: 6 Slams, 16 MS
Soderling: 0 Slams, 0 MS
:lol:

 

[DragonBlaze]

Recovering from tendinitis when you are an elite athlete is not like shaking off a cold. Even if Nadal's knees might have felt better there is still a whole lot of other factors (confidence, playing form, etc) that also suffer. Nadal wasn't back to his best at AO, plain and simple. Not to say that Murray didn't play a great match, which he did. Props to him.

You can excuse Federer for the mono and I wouldn't have any problem with that. While it wouldn't have made a difference in the final result at the FO, at least he might have gotten a little less of a beatdown had it not been for the mono. As for Wimbledon, I honestly didn't see Fed's form affected by mono. He didn't seem fatigued at all, but that match was also atypical because of the rain, so it might have been a factor in making it more bearable for Fed also due to the frequent breaks.

Tendinitis of the knees and mono unfortunately are not the same thing. Also, Nadal relies way more on his physical form than Fed does due to his style of play. So it makes sense that Nadal's form has been way more affected than Fed's was when he had the mono.

Ehhhh on the bolded part. You could use that excuse for Fed's loss in Wimby 2008. The mono didn't affect him at all in that tourny (or in any tourny except AO I believe), BUT it did put off his normal practice schedule etc etc. And ofcourse in that final, it's the first time for a while he hasn't won a major in while, so his confidence wan't what it is normally. Federer wasn't back to his best at that Wimby (you know confidence, playing form), plain and simple. Not to say that Nadal didn't play a great match, which he did (brilliant infact).

Soooooooo, I COULD say that, but that's not very fair to Murray or Nadal is it? In the end, they both lost, let's just all move on.

 

[Lsmkenpo]

Your threads keep getting dumber and dumber. Are you saying that Murray and Djoker are better than Nadal in grass tournaments too? Yes, Djoker won AO, but so did Nadal (and more recently.) Remember Beijing 2008? Why do I feel like I'm talking to a 4 year old?

Why do you continue to talk about play from years ago, I am talking about the current play, what happened in 2008 has no bearing on current playing form, I feel like I am talking to some ******* who lives in his parent's basement and hasn't watched tennis for the past year and a half.

Nadal has been injured recently, therefore I'm not surprised people have beaten Nadal recently. Berdych and Baghdatis have beaten Fed recently. Your point? I'll tell you: You simply don't have one.

Huh? once again you bring Federer into the conversation, did I mention him? Everyone deals with injuries, not just Nadal.

By "unknown" I mean an unknown quantity. I want to see him do more before I'm convinced, that's all. He doesn't have a track record yet. Funny to see you dismiss someone with a proven record of 6 Slams and 16 MS titles to his credit, yet you are willing to tout people with no titles whatsoever as the best thing since sliced bread. Funny to see what mental contortions people will resort to when they are desperate.

Because the past has nothing to do with the future or present, desperation is someone clinging to the past when the present and future does not look promising, that is true desperation. My basis is on current results from players not what they did back in 2007-08. I respect what Nadal did 2 years ago, but it unfortunately doesn't have much to do with how he or other players are playing at the current time.

 

[TheLoneWolf]

Ehhhh on the bolded part. You could use that excuse for Fed's loss in Wimby 2008. The mono didn't affect him at all in that tourny (or in any tourny except AO I believe), BUT it did put off his normal practice schedule etc etc. And ofcourse in that final, it's the first time for a while he hasn't won a major in while, so his confidence wan't what it is normally. Federer wasn't back to his best at that Wimby (you know confidence, playing form), plain and simple. Not to say that Nadal didn't play a great match, which he did (brilliant infact).

Soooooooo, I COULD say that, but that's not very fair to Murray or Nadal is it? In the end, they both lost, let's just all move on.

That sounds fair, but things are a little more involved than that. Nadal had an ascending trajectory in his confrontations against Fed in Wimby. Watch Wimby Finals in 2006, 2007, and 2008 to see what I mean. This was just a natural progression. To be honest, I think Fed played great in Wimby 2008. Nobody ever said Fed didn't play well or was affected by the mono. That has been an excuse crafted afterwards to explain the unexplainable by some people.

That Nadal broke down in FO last year was just unexplainable. And against Soderling no less. Why do you think he dropped Wimbledon right after that? His trajectory had been unbelievable until before Madrid 2009, and after that he just broke down. It's just that simple. You can't equate Fed's situation in 2008 to Rafa's situation in 2009.

 

[TheLoneWolf]

Why do you continue to talk about play from years ago, I am talking about the current play, what happened in 2008 has no bearing on current playing form, I feel like I am talking to some ******* who lives in his parent's basement and hasn't watched tennis for the past year and a half.

Years ago? Nadal was #1 just a few months ago. He just won his 16th MC title less than 1 week ago. You keep talking about Soderling based on what he did last year though. What has Soderling done lately? Nothing (no change there, just his norm I guess, except for the huge fluke at FO 2009.)

Because the past has nothing to do with the future or present, desperation is someone clinging to the past when the present and future does not look promising, that is true desperation. My basis is on current results from players not what they did back in 2007-08. I respect what Nadal did 2 years ago, but it unfortunately doesn't have much to do with how he or other players are playing at the current time.

Current results? Nadal just got his 16th MS title. Where was Soderling, or anybody else, to stop him?

This is starting to get comical. What Nadal did 2 years ago? He won the AO in 2009, barely over 1 year ago, and his 16th MS title last week. How is that for looking bleak? Sure, he hasn't won a Slam in a while, but he has been fricking injured. LOL. Soderling would probably sell his soul to the devil for a MS title, much less a Slam.

 

[rommil]

Years ago? Nadal was #1 just a few months ago. He just won his 16th MC title less than 1 week ago. You keep talking about Soderling based on what he did last year though. What has Soderling done lately? Nothing (no change there, just his norm I guess, except for the huge fluke at FO 2009.)


Current results? Nadal just got his 16th MS title. Where was Soderling, or anybody else, to stop him?

This is starting to get comical. What Nadal did 2 years ago? He won the AO in 2009, barely over 1 year ago, and his 16th MS title last week. How is that for looking bleak? Sure, he hasn't won a Slam in a while, but he has been fricking injured. LOL. Soderling would probably sell his soul to the devil for a MS title, much less a Slam.

Soderling has been trying to get in touch with the devil to negotitate but the devil's phone line is always busy with Rafa calling non stop trying to get a deal for healthier knees.

 

[TheLoneWolf]

Soderling has been trying to get in touch with the devil to negotitate but the devil's phone line is always busy with Rafa calling non stop trying to get a deal for healthier knees.

HOHOHOHOHO. HEHEHEHEHE. HAHAHAHAHA. How devilishly funny of you, rommil. Now take a hike and stop embarrassing the human race with your silly observations.

 

[Rhino]

I have noticed that people tend to ignore that rafa has had quite a head start over federer. Nadal is still 2 slams ahead compared to federer of rafa's current age and he will need to win either french or wimbledon to keep that gap.

Head starts don't mean anything. Boris Becker was winning grand slams at five years old (or something) and he sputtered out. People peak at different times. Whats rare is maintaining consistency over a decade. It took Federer a while to find his form but once he did he never looked back. I can't see Nadal lasting the distance.

 

[TheLoneWolf]

Head starts don't mean anything. Boris Becker was winning grand slams at five years old (or something) and he sputtered out. People peak at different times. Whats rare is maintaining consistency over a decade. It took Federer a while to find his form but once he did he never looked back. I can't see Nadal lasting the distance.

I agree partially. Nadal has been just as incredibly consistent as Fed (except for the last 12 months, in which his knees blew up.) Not just consistent, but in an ascending trajectory.

The big question is whether the damage caused is irreparable or not. I happen to think he still has a lot of fight in him, but I can't guarantee anything (who can?) The next few months are going to be very interesting. It's about time Fed and Rafa play again anyway, it's been way too long.

 

[Lsmkenpo]

Years ago? Nadal was #1 just a few months ago. He just won his 16th MC title less than 1 week ago. You keep talking about Soderling based on what he did last year though. What has Soderling done lately? Nothing (no change there, just his norm I guess, except for the huge fluke at FO 2009.)

Sorry, I just don't see the recent victory as a huge accomplishment,
half of the top ten was missing from the field, I don't care who won this, I would still feel the same way. I still consider Nadal the favorite in every clay event, nonetheless.

Soderling has beat 7 out of the top 8 players, some numerous times over the past year,Nadal doesn't have a single victory against a top 8 player over that same time frame, pretty simple to understand,No?

Current results? Nadal just got his 16th MS title. Where was Soderling, or anybody else, to stop him?

This is starting to get comical. What Nadal did 2 years ago? He won the AO in 2009, barely over 1 year ago, and his 16th MS title last week. How is that for looking bleak? Sure, he hasn't won a Slam in a while, but he has been fricking injured. LOL. Soderling would probably sell his soul to the devil for a MS title, much less a Slam.

I expect Nadal to win on clay still, it is all the other surfaces where he has fallen and many others have improved, as evidenced by results from the past year of play. Yeah, Nadal won a non clay event a year and a half ago. once again it has no bearing on his current play, in no way shape or form would Nadal be considered the favorite to win another title on a non clay surface any time soon, until he shows he can beat the top players on those surfaces once again. Things change in a hurry in sports, or do you only follow Nadal? I am not saying he can never win again, but it will certainly be a bigger challenge for him at this time.

 

[TheLoneWolf]

Sorry, I just don't see the recent victory as a huge accomplishment,
half of the top ten was missing from the field, I don't care who won this, I would still feel the same way. I still consider Nadal the favorite in every clay event, nonetheless.

Soderling has beat 7 out of the top 8 players, some numerous times over the past year,Nadal doesn't have a single victory against a top 8 player over that same time frame, pretty simple to understand,No?

The victory at MC is not significant because Nadal won the tournament. He was expected to win (he had already won it the previous 5 years.) What is significant is that Nadal has just equaled Fed in the MS race, and has done so playing quite convincingly. Verdasco destroyed Djoker in their Semi, and Nadal destroyed Verdasco in the final. Nadal also played well to defeat a very underrated Ferrero, who in his current form and on clay could inflict some real damage.

Yes, Soderling has done well against the top 8. And yes, Nadal hasn't. Soderling hasn't been injured, Nadal has. And if Nadal hadn't been, Soderling wouldn't have beaten as many of the top 8 either. I think that's easy to understand too.

I expect Nadal to win on clay still, it is all the other surfaces where he has fallen and many others have improved, as evidenced by results from the past year of play. Yeah, Nadal won a non clay event a year and a half ago. once again it has no bearing on his current play, in no way shape or form would Nadal be considered the favorite to win another title on a non clay surface any time soon, until he shows he can beat the top players on those surfaces once again. Things change in a hurry in sports, or do you only follow Nadal? I am not saying he can never win again, but it will certainly be a bigger challenge for him at this time.

I actually agree with this for the most part. Nadal needs to gain some confidence through results, yes. I don't think anybody disputes that. All I'm saying is that if he remains healthy and starts picking up steam, things might start resembling 2008 again.

 

[Netspirit]

Nadal has to win 11 more majors with recurring tendonitis, Federer has to win 0 and retire, and the next generation must produce no comparable champion.

That is hard to bet on.

There is tennis outside majors though. Just as Federer's strength is his surface versatility and ability to stay strong in 5-set marathons, Nadal's strength is to fight for every point and every match, no matter the danger. That different strength will win him different records - such as the number of Masters shields.

 

[Kobble]

It is going to take a lot for Nadal to do it. Maybe 3 FO's, 2 AO's, 1 USO, and 2 W's. I think this is logical. More than that, and he will need to hope the legs hold up, and so does everything else. Truthfully, two badass years (3 majors per year) in a row, and he is right there. After that, just when a few more FO's and Fed is passed.

 

[valiant]

Let him be close to Federer on the grandslam counts then you might have a point.

 

[P_Agony]

As far as age and tennis ability goes, he could, but I doubt. Nadal's having problems staying as consistent as Federer even today, and he's constantly not performing as well at HC slams as he should (despite winning one). Nadal could win at least 3 more RGs, so that takes it to 9, and he could also win Wimbly and maybe an HC slam here and there, but nothing consistent. Plus, Federer isn't done yet, and he proved he could win a slam at any given time, he could reach 20 for all we know. We'll have a better look at the big picture at the end of 2010.

 

[Sentinel]

Judging by :
(a) Rafa's recent devastating form,

(b) the fact that by skipping Barcelona he clearly has perfected the art of scheduling

(c) most importantly, he has figured out how to get his lachrymal glands working ...
... it seems like a given that he will overtake Roger's slam count.

 

[mandy01]

At least you make some sense, unlike some morons.

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Next time,kindly do not accuse others of launching personal attacks.

Thanks.

 

[TheLoneWolf]

As far as age and tennis ability goes, he could, but I doubt. Nadal's having problems staying as consistent as Federer even today, and he's constantly not performing as well at HC slams as he should (despite winning one). Nadal could win at least 3 more RGs, so that takes it to 9, and he could also win Wimbly and maybe an HC slam here and there, but nothing consistent. Plus, Federer isn't done yet, and he proved he could win a slam at any given time, he could reach 20 for all we know. We'll have a better look at the big picture at the end of 2010.

Very well put. The next 3 months are critical, we'll see how that goes. Not that they will be necessarily decisive, but very important nonetheless. Is DelPo extending his injury into an excuse to take some time off and practice on clay in some supersecret underground facility? It will be interesting to see how he does in RG.

 

[TheLoneWolf]

Next time,kindly do not accuse others of launching personal attacks.

Thanks.

There is a difference between launching an attack and responding to an attack. Regardless, if you were offended I hope you can get over it, because it wasn't my intention to irritate you. We've sorted things out though, so no harm done.

 

[mandy01]

There is a difference between launching an attack and responding to an attack. Regardless, if you were offended I hope you can get over it, because it wasn't my intention to irritate you. We've sorted things out though, so no harm done.

I was neither offended nor irritated.:wink:
A little amused though ...

 

[TheLoneWolf]

I was neither offended nor irritated.:wink:
A little amused though ...

I know what you mean. Before I signed up on the forums I used to read them occassionally for quite a while.

 

[forzamilan90]

no he might get 10, but the fed record will be huge by the time he retires (18-22 slams)

 

[drakulie]

What are your opinions on the matter?

Unfortunately, Nadal will not be playing until he is 29.

 

[OddJack]

Of Course he can beat Rodge's record.

With a Titanium hip.

 

[Rippy]

You should add a poll. And if he reached 15 he wouldn't be GOAT. He'd have to win the same amount as Fed (incl US Open), then I suppose H2H could be used as a "tiebreak".

 

[mindgrinder]

i am a huge rafa fan, but i dont think he can beat fed's record, its a tough job for him

 

[ga tennis]

it wont happen! Nadal is one of my favorite players but he has no chance of breaking federers record.

 

[The-Champ]

No. he will probably end up with 11 slams when his career is over.

But he will be remember as the clay GOAT who learned to adapt to other surfaces. He will be remebered as the cripple who owned the GOAT-pretender Federer .

 

[darthpwner]

No, Federer will keep extending his record, and Nadal has too many injuries and his career will be over in 3 years. I'm sorry to say this, but I believe the Federer vs Nadal rivalry will end. It's already been a year since they played each other in a real tournament.

 

[ecurb]

I'm not sure Nadal would even come close to the record even if he didn't get injured. He had an amazing 2008 but to keep that up for 3 or 4 years? That's real tough.

 

[sureshs]

Nadal will exceed Federer's record because he will have 16+ Slams as well as Olympics singles gold.

 

[KAndersonFan]

Nadal will exceed Federer's record because he will have 16+ Slams as well as Olympics singles gold.

But he probably won't have Cincinnati

 

[Rippy]

Nadal will exceed Federer's record because he will have 16+ Slams as well as Olympics singles gold.

All worthless without Cincinnati.

 

[Nathaniel_Near]

Nadal will exceed Federer's record because he will have 16+ Slams as well as Olympics singles gold.

Yeah, I agree that this is very likely, especially given Nadal's recurring conditions with his knees. At the same time though, I think Cincinnati is an essential tournament that deeply enhances ones resume, and I just don't see Nadal winning this title.

 

[Pushmaster]

Highly unlikely, but I think he'll have at least 10 before it's all said and done. Not too shabby I think.

 

[flyinghippos101]

Of Course he can beat Rodge's record.

With a Titanium hip.

Or knees of steel

 

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

OP: Not a chance. Federer still has a few slams left in him, and to add any hypothetical number to his current haul makes Nadal's chances slim to none.

 

[dh003i]

In Nadal's best year, he won 2 slams. In his best 1-year period, from just after AO 2008 to just after AO 2009, he won 3 slams. That was his absolute peak level, and even then he was injured for part of the year. It just wasn't a sustainable level for him. He probably isn't going to get back to that level, and he would need at least several years of that level to surpass Federer's # of GS. If you asked him if he thought he could get 15 or 16 slams, I think his honest answer would be that that just isn't even on his radar.

 

[dh003i]

Highly unlikely, but I think he'll have at least 10 before it's all said and done. Not too shabby I think.

10 or 11 slams for Nadal would even be asking a lot, although it would be an incredible achievement. I do hope he gets a USO win before he retires, though.

 

[Talker]

Nadal has too far to go, 10 more GS's just to tie and Fed may get more.

New players coming up and then there's Potro, Murray and Djokovic able to beat him at times as well as other players on a hot streak.
Fed was able to handle players having career games in GS's, Nadal hasn't proved to do this as consistently.
Then the physical shape Rafa has to be in for years to come.
Too many areas that can stop him as well as anyone else, the 16 slams is an amazing number often not realized because it has become almost normal.

Borg-Fed-Nadal comparison.

http://federermagic.blogspot.com/2007/10/roger-federer-vs-bjorn-borg.html

 

[swordtennis]

No. At least 8. At the most 11.

 

[NamRanger]

Couple of things :



1. Novak, Murray, Del Potro all show the capability of absolutely destroying Nadal on a HC.

2. Roddick and Federer have the capability to beat Nadal on grass, and will be around for at least a few more years.

3. Many lower ranked guys are capable of beating Nadal on HCs on a hot day, so his best chance is at Wimbledon.

 

[davey25]

Nadal's last slam title will be the 2012 French Open probably. If he is lucky he might reach 10-12 slams.