Will no longer root for Nadal to fail

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I find myself often rooting against Nadal, and rooting for players I think will take out Nadal. But recently I realized what a waste this is.

I mainly root against him in slams because I don’t think he should go down as the greatest. I’d rather see those honors go to Federer or Djokovic. I’ve always thought they deserved it more. That’s what I told myself when he was facing Thiem yesterday/today, that it is good for Nadal to lose so that he can’t increase his resume with a slam and/or a win over Djokovic at the AO. But the look of disappointment on Nadal as he was leaving the scene made me question my motives in rooting for Thiem.

I will still hope Federer and Novak do well, but will stop rooting for Nadal to fail. I saw a video once with a guy talking about how he wants
the tallest building by going out and building the tallest building whereas others are satisfied with building the tallest building by tearing other peoples’ buildings down. That’s what I’ve been doing, trying to tear Nadal’s building down. Or at least, I’ve been watching three people build buildings and hoping that the construction would be halted on one of theirs.

Anyways, time to stop taking this all so seriously. I think a great former baseball player, Derek Jeter, once mentioned how a fan met him after a game someplace and started going over the game with him, and he then realized fans take the game very seriously, even more seriously than the players. There are better things to do than associating the greatness of my sports heroes with my own identity. Instead, I’ll just enjoy the fact that these legends all built themselves up to be what they are, and let them worry about the results as I admire from a distance.
 
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No chance Federer deserves it more. Losing slam head to head against both his rivals and 04-07 inflation period where he won most of his slams. There is a case for Djokovic I guess but then he wouldn't have losing slam head to head against Nadal and would have to beat his slam count for him to truly say he deserves it more.
 
Tennis_Hands said:
Your second mistake (judging by what you are writing) is that you think that the reason why people would root against Nadal is that he might eclipse this and that record when he has been getting notoriety for a number of issues that have been piling up throughout the years.
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No, I don’t know anything about other people. Just talking about myself and why I will personally stop rooting for Nadal to fail.
 
FRV2 said:
No, I don’t know anything about other people. Just talking about myself and why I will personally stop rooting for Nadal to fail.
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That is what I said: that is a mistake you have yet to realise when letting in the public such threads. It simply means that you have been looking at this matter in the most superficial manner.

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sredna42 said:
Even Jesus hates Nadal OP, so your concerns are misplaced. In fact, there'd be something wrong with you if you DIDN'T despise the gross slimy quadripedal simian monstrosity.

I helped Thiem win by turning the TV off everytime the mutant started coming back. Without my jinx on him Thiem was able to get it done. Thiem should send me money. What a beautiful morning.
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You sound perfectly healthy :oops:
 
Depends on your perspective really. I wouldn't view a building made mostly of clay to be the greatest even if it were the tallest. Especially when clay buildings are easier to build. This is why I hope for him to lose. Because he will be regarded by many as the greatest if he simply leads the slam count, even though, IMO, there is more to it than that.
 
Tennis_Hands said:
Your first mistake you already admitted: the player you support has nothing to do with you.

Your second mistake (judging by what you are writing) is that you think that the reason why people would root against Nadal is that he might eclipse this and that record when he has been getting notoriety for a number of issues that have been piling up throughout the years. The bottom line is that he is a cheat that doesn't respect the rules of the sport, and has been known for making slandering remarks about brands of tennis different than his (latest instance is accusing an umpire of not liking "good tennis", just because she dared to enforce a rule that he was breaking at that very moment).

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You need to get over Nadal. His USO win really has set you off on one.

If Nadal was a cheat and the anti christ as you appear to suggest please elaborate why his peers voted him sportsperson of 2019 (thats about personality not results) and Federer is taking Nadal to South Africa in a couple of weeks for his charity?
 
sredna42 said:
Even Jesus hates Nadal OP, so your concerns are misplaced. In fact, there'd be something wrong with you if you DIDN'T despise the gross slimy quadripedal simian monstrosity.

I helped Thiem win by turning the TV off everytime the mutant started coming back. Without my jinx on him Thiem was able to get it done. Thiem should send me money. What a beautiful morning.
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Jesus told me to like this post

I never would have guessed that Jesus looks exactly like @vive le beau jeu !
 
WhiskeyEE said:
Depends on your perspective really. I wouldn't view a building made mostly of clay to be the greatest even if it were the tallest. Especially when clay buildings are easier to build. This is why I hope for him to lose. Because he will be regarded by many as the greatest if he simply leads the slam count, even though, IMO, there is more to it than that.
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US open is not clay. 4 titles there alone puts him in ATG category. Add 2 Wimbledons and an AO and it puts him top 7 of all time alone ahead of Mcenroe becker edberg.

Now add in 12 FOs, that is why he is already regarded by many as GOAT. The debate will start again should Djokovic win AO on Sunday.
 
We all have our reasons for what we do and feel.

Agree and disagree. Root for and against. Change your mind. Whatever.

Everyone thinks their way is the right way.

Our existence sure would suck if everyone was the same.
 
Bianca007 said:
US open is not clay. 4 titles there alone puts him in ATG category. Add 2 Wimbledons and an AO and it puts him top 7 of all time alone ahead of Mcenroe becker edberg.

Now add in 12 FOs, that is why he is already regarded by many as GOAT. The debate will start again should Djokovic win AO on Sunday.
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He only had to win 2 real matches to win 3 of those USOs. And one of those was against a guy (Novak in 2010) who had beaten 1 top 10 opponent the entire year.
 
Bianca007 said:
Tell that to Federer and see what response you get.

Also i think i am right in saying Nadal has less Major wins on clay as a percentage of his overall total than Djokovic on hard?
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That's not a bad thing IMO. Hard court has always had way more competition. Clay is both Federer and Djokovic's weakest surface. As well as Murray and most other top players since 2005.
 
WhiskeyEE said:
Depends on your perspective really. I wouldn't view a building made mostly of clay to be the greatest even if it were the tallest. Especially when clay buildings are easier to build. This is why I hope for him to lose. Because he will be regarded by many as the greatest if he simply leads the slam count, even though, IMO, there is more to it than that.
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This has been my thinking exactly. But now I’ve decided to stop rooting for Nadal to lose and instead for Fed and Djokovic to win. Mainly, I will try to be indifferent to the matches Nadal plays that don’t involve Fed or Djoker.
 
WhiskeyEE said:
That's not a bad thing IMO. Hard court has always had way more competition. It's both Federer and Djokovic's weakest surface. As well as Murray and most other top players since 2005.
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So are you saying players should be measured on Hard Court success? Nadal still top 4 of all time but where your argument goes wrong is you are essentially saying Borg was not even top 12 of all time!!

As it happens it is success on clay and grass that gets the most gravitas which is why Nadal and Federer are more widely known than Djokovic, why Borg is revered, and why Kuerten is more widely known than Rafter.
 
Bianca007 said:
So are you saying players should be measured on Hard Court success? Nadal still top 4 of all time but where your argument goes wrong is you are essentially saying Borg was not even top 12 of all time!!

As it happens it is success on clay and grass that gets the most gravitas which is why Nadal and Federer are more widely known than Djokovic, why Borg is revered, and why Kuerten is more widely known than Rafter.
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I just explained the reasoning behind my own opinion. Anyone else can think however they want.
 
FRV2 said:
This has been my thinking exactly. But now I’ve decided to stop rooting for Nadal to lose and instead for Fed and Djokovic to win. Mainly, I will try to be indifferent to the matches Nadal plays that don’t involve Fed or Djoker.
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I am rooting against Federer only because i want Nadal to match his Major count in a few months.

If Nadal were to retire today for whatever reason i would want Federer to win another Major so the W2019 isnt as painful for him.
 
WhiskeyEE said:
I just explained the reasoning behind my own opinion. Anyone else can think however they want.
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Fair enough. Everyone has their own yardsticks. As it happens banter on here aside i think the whole GOAT thing is nonsense. It is impossible to compare eras.

All i know is i have been privileged to see some wonderful players and am glad that in Thiem we have a guy who is a worthy potential successor and hopefully Zverev Tsitsipas and Medvedev all step up as they could have a brilliant rivalry. And who knows, maybe Kyrgios grows up and fulfills his talent.
 
King No1e said:
but if you get to the point of genuinely hating a player you end up looking like an idiot
Unless that player is Kyrgios. F**k that guy.
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70% of TTW posters are motivated by hate. They post more "anti" posts than pro posts about their guy. I'm being generous with the 70% figure. How many posters genuinely can make positive posts routinely about a rival player? Most are literally unhinged on the subject. Off the top of my head, I see 7-8 such posters here out of hundreds who are mature enough to say "hey, well done!" about a rival winning a slam. How many Nadal fans would say if Roger wins #21 will step up and say, "congrats!"? Or vice versa? Mainad would be an example of a Murray fan, but who doesn't lurk in match threads to troll and doesn't sh-t post about other players. That's 1 in a 20 here. Sad but true.
 
Bianca007 said:
So are you saying players should be measured on Hard Court success?
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As someone said, you cannot be serious. 95% of players focus 95% of their time on hard courts. Even some of the less fortunate posters on here should understand that this makes hard court tournaments by far the most important measure of success. What happened in Borg's day is completely irrelevant, as there was a much more balanced spread with clay and grass back then.
 
sredna42 said:
Even Jesus hates Nadal OP, so your concerns are misplaced. In fact, there'd be something wrong with you if you DIDN'T despise the gross slimy quadripedal simian monstrosity.

I helped Thiem win by turning the TV off everytime the mutant started coming back. Without my jinx on him Thiem was able to get it done. Thiem should send me money. What a beautiful morning.
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beautifully written... couldn't have done better, sir (y)
r2473 said:
Jesus told me to like this post

I never would have guessed that Jesus looks exactly like @vive le beau jeu !
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not sure it's the right place to confess(!) it, but i've got to admit i already used that resemblance to get access to the VIP section :sneaky:

back on topic, i'd like to express my agreement with my aforementioned colleagues and tell the OP it's a perfectly healthy reaction to hate the rusty peak injured golden bull:
to use the own words of the nadal himself, it means you "like good tennis" :)

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Never really seen the big deal behind rooting "against" someone. It's the nature of sports. If you're rooting for one guy or team to win you're automatically rooting for the other guy or team to lose when you think about it. There are some here though who take more joy out of a rival's loss than their favourite player's wins, and that's a big problem no doubt.

But I could say I'm so happy Thiem won which basically translates to "I'm happy Nadal lost," but I still respect Nadal's tennis playing abilities. You can root against someone and still respect them. I do that with Tom Brady every game he plays.
 
BeatlesFan said:
70% of TTW posters are motivated by hate. They post more "anti" posts than pro posts about their guy. I'm being generous with the 70% figure. How many posters genuinely can make positive posts routinely about a rival player? Most are literally unhinged on the subject. Off the top of my head, I see 7-8 such posters here out of hundreds who are mature enough to say "hey, well done!" about a rival winning a slam. How many Nadal fans would say if Roger wins #21 will step up and say, "congrats!"? Or vice versa? Mainad would be an example of a Murray fan, but who doesn't lurk in match threads to troll and doesn't sh-t post about other players. That's 1 in a 20 here. Sad but true.
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The blind hate for players usually comes from people who have never played competitive tennis in their life. The more you go compete and deal with the pressure, endurance everything it takes to play competitively, it's easier to put yourself into the shoes of the pros and truly appreciate how much respect they deserve for being where they are.
 
I respect Rafa and think he is a classy guy, having said that I don't love his tennis and I indeed do root against him. His winning has never ruined my day though haha
 
For my part, i miss the days were players just cared about winning at all costs and didn't care about what the social medias would say about them and the millions of sponsoring that goes with it.

Muster said it perfectly a few months ago: every player hates losing but nowadays is attempting to sound nice and clean in order to get sponsoring money, which is a total hypocrisy and untruthful towards the fans.

The medias are making a mockery of the sport and the big stars go along with it - all of them, Rafa included.
 
Gaping flaw in OP’s argument. What if you were cheering for Nadal and Thiem choked, well, even worse than what he did, and then Thiem LOST? And cried like a disappointed baby all the way back to the change rooms?

Would you feel bad for cheering on Nads? Would you have an existential crisis over it? Would you be happy if they called it a draw and they both got medals for participating?!
 
sredna42 said:
Even Jesus hates Nadal OP, so your concerns are misplaced. In fact, there'd be something wrong with you if you DIDN'T despise the gross slimy quadripedal simian monstrosity.

I helped Thiem win by turning the TV off everytime the mutant started coming back. Without my jinx on him Thiem was able to get it done. Thiem should send me money. What a beautiful morning.
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What the hell is wrong with you?

Reported.
 
sredna42 said:
Snitches get stitches 'nomsayin ese? LOL

I swear vamos is like one giant collective NPC haemorrhoid. Squealing and spamming the report post button 24/7. Like those old nannas that have the police on speed dial.. Zero sense of humour, and skin thinner than 1 ply tissue paper. No wonder the Mutant is your idol. Like blowflies to scheisse.
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How delusional must you be to consider your cringe to be humorous. I appreciate my buddy Vive because he/she brings the funnies. You? Lol good one, however I do enjoy your meltdowns.
 
JoshuaPim said:
As someone said, you cannot be serious. 95% of players focus 95% of their time on hard courts. Even some of the less fortunate posters on here should understand that this makes hard court tournaments by far the most important measure of success. What happened in Borg's day is completely irrelevant, as there was a much more balanced spread with clay and grass back then.
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So basically then clay and grass are the true test as players have less time to adapt. Thanks for proving my point.
 
Bianca007 said:
You need to get over Nadal. His USO win really has set you off on one.

If Nadal was a cheat and the anti christ as you appear to suggest please elaborate why his peers voted him sportsperson of 2019 (thats about personality not results) and Federer is taking Nadal to South Africa in a couple of weeks for his charity?
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I don't answer such trivial questions to people that a Rookies or New users on this site. Just to make sure that I am not repeating myself in front of my conversational partner.

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OP, did you get the responses you expected? The guy comes in expressing regret for taking tennis personally and hating on Nadal. The responses: no, you were right to hate Nadal. Here's why...
 
Tennis_Hands said:
I don't answer such trivial questions to people that a Rookies or New users on this site. Just to make sure that I am not repeating myself in front of my conversational partner.

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You cannot answer as you realise your post was wrong on every level.

Anyway enjoy Nadal hitting 20 Majors at Roland Garros. Federer failed at a must win event for him. Wow. How big was that USO last year for Nadal. HUGE!
 
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