Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Nadal = Borg, May 2, 2011.
What do you think?
Roger will beat Nadal one more time at Wimbledon or US open....but Rafa will smoke him many times...propbably ending the h2h 10-3 or 4 in slams.
Sure! Why? Because that eez the tennis, no?
That being said, he'll probably need some help from Rafa to do it.
i would like to see them play each other in a slam again, as most people would. they haven't played each other on the big stage in two years, so one would say they're overdue for a meeting at the majors. however, it would take two weeks of good results from both players at the same time to meet up at a semi or a final of a major. It would take some effort to get there, but i wouldn't count federer out if he actually gets to a final/sf to meet nadal.
I doubt that fed can even make a final.
The real question is whether or not Roger will ever beat Nadal again.
I wish we could watch Federer 2005 vs. Nadal 2010. The best approximations are probably Wimbledon 2007 final and Rome 2006 final.
Tough question. Federer did really well last time he faced Nadal at the French, and looks to be in his best clay form ever this year, so Nadal should be very scared going into the French.
However, we'd all still like to see Rafa beat Fed at the USO for the career Fed slam
Ya i am sure that fed is really making him nervous.
I would go with Nadal even at Wimbledon, the US Open or the AO as of now, but suppose:
1. Nadal's is pushed far in his matches, while Federer coasts somewhat and they meet?
2. There is a significant injury issue.
3. Federer just gets hot and Nadal is off. Nadal is now expected to prevail, per common wisdom, so Federer could basically just "go for broke" somewhat with less expected of him.
4. Suppose Federer plays for say 2 more years and experiences a resurgence before retiring? He may have several more chances to do it.
So, for those reasons, I went with 50-50.
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right now nadal is 1, djokovic is 2, federer is 3, and murray is 4.
let's say all the seeds get through, federer would have to beat both djokovic and nadal to win the title. that's pretty tough.
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I agree. That's similar to Borg in 1981. At Wimbledon, he went 5 sets and beat Connors in the SF, but lost to McEnroe. At the US Open, he beat Connors in straight sets in the SF and then faced McEnroe in the final. Beating Connors/McEnroe at the same major (on a fast surface especially) is no easy task. It would be tough, but I think Federer could pull it off. If he played a great SF, things can change very quick in tennis.
However, the likely scenario is Nadal defeats Federer in nearly every future encounter... the exception being the WTF
if he can't beat Federer at WTF how can he beat him at the much faster USO.This means Federer even has a chance at wimbledon where he is 2-1 with Nadal.
At this stage of their career Federer would have to be playing excellent and it would probably have to be the US Open or possibly Wimbledon. The French isn't happening and the Aussie is just too slow.
(It's hard to remember the last time it happened, 2007 I'm pretty sure, seems like an eternity because it is)
Will he beat Rafa again? Probably, depends on him. At a slam? No.
It's not the speed but the low bounce of the indoor WTF surface that gives Federer a huge advantage.
Federer will never beat Nadal at Wimbledon again. That ship sailed 4 years ago, in 2007, when Federer was in his prime.
lol, if federer drops mor ein the ranking and meets Nadal at wimbledon in the first week when there is still grass on the court he will surely win.Nadal always has big troubles at wimbledon when the court is in good shape(see last year).
Assuming Federer continues playing...
You think in 2-3 years when Federer is 32-33 years old and meeting Nadal (who will be 27-28 ) in the first 3 rounds... Federer will beat Nadal at Wimbledon? :grin:
Federer needs a time-machine to completely pwn everyone leading up to Nadal in a GS. There, are you happy?
Nadal won't have power left in his knees so i say yes.
I forgot for a bit, but that 2007 final was a doozy! Nadal was red hot in that fourth set, then the tweak of the knee and he wasn't the same. I felt that were it not for that point, Nadal was on the verge of taking that title.
In tennis, things like that can happen. We'll see how it plays out. It seems as if his recent approach has significantly improved his ability to maintain his knees.
Nadal's knees seem better now than ever.
If you look back to his matches from 2004-05 through 2009, he's wearing the tendonitis bands on one or both knees. Since he had the plasma treatment(s), no knee problems.
So, I wouldn't count on Nadal's knees taking him out of tennis.
oh please, he was fine after that as well. Held for 4 straight games after that and had federer at 15-40 twice, which federer bailed himself out with phenomenal play ... It was federer who outplayed and out-toughed him , had NOTHING to do with the so called injury - he was moving well and playing well after that as well
I'm a huge Federer fan, but I doubt he'll even reach Nadal again in a slam, let alone beat him.
I remember being on the edge of my seat for that 07 Wimby final, good times.
Then why did the commentators make specific mention of it? I saw him definitely favoring it. At that time, you don't do that unless it is. He could have won 4 games and still had a knee issue. The two things aren't mutually exclusive. He definitely lost form in my opinion. His level in the middle of the fourth set was excellent and that was his best form of the match overall I thought.
Oh please after the tweak just as abmk said Nadal was fine he had several break points in the final set, but was Federer who saved them with great shots.
Nadal had one broken leg, 5 broken arms, his balls were bandaged....otherwise he wouldn't have lost.
No, I think Federer still may have won that '07 final, but Nadal took it up a level and then Federer would have had to match it. It was a very good match.
Sure Fed can beat Nadal in a slam. To do that Fed would need to Tag team Nadal. Sorta like a 1-2-3 punch.
Delpo - Murray - Fed for ex. By the time Nadal reaches Fed, he'll be ripe for the picking.
Especially coz Murray is the Vampire who sucks Nadal's blood and makes sure he loses the next match.
Nadal f***ed up his own chances because of his knees, not to say Nadal would've definitely won, but it could have been a Wimb '08 like match with both players playing well at the same time.
In set 4 Rafa had the momentum and Fed was flabbergasted given the way Fed shrieked like a school girl at the umpire. That's probably Fed's worst outburst on a tennis court coz he knew he was being steamrolled and Nadal was in a zone.. Next thing you know Nadal called the trainer just when he had all the momentum in the world. And we're all left wondering.. darn..it's the F****ing knees. Why would Nadal call the trainer at such a crucial time and break him momentum, unless he didn't have an actual problem?
Anyway, as expected, Fed lifted his game like a champion and put on some of the best clutch serving I've ever seen from him., when he fought of all those breakpoints in set 5. Nadal was hurting, but he was outplayed in the final set, and Fed's resilience and his own fragility drove him to despair until he was a broken man by the end.
Forget all this, in spite of potentially losing a GS because of his knees, what does Nadal do next? Exactly. He goes to play freaking' Stuttgart immediately after Wimbledon.
For a guy who's such a great player, Nadal can be incredibly dumb with his scheduling ; he's sacrificed tons of slams by playing on one leg.. That's why I think he probably won't challenge Sampras/Fed's numbers when all is said and done.
what else did federer do in the 5th set if not raise his level ? Sleep ? Go and watch it again.
Yes, 4th set was nadal's best level, but he still wouldn't probably have gotten the 2nd break in that set had it not been for hawkeye scr*wing it up . Just because he didn't maintain his 4th set level in the 5th doesn't mean he was affected by the injury , just means his form came down by a bit. The fact that he held rather easily for his next 4 service games and had federer in trouble in 2 of his shows he was still playing darn well. Again, I'll say , watch it again.
It wasn't just a very good match, it was a great match, only eclipsed by the next year's final , mainly because that involved a longer 5th set and a big comeback . If anything the quality of this match, IMO, was slightly better than the 2008 final
I think you're forgetting that in June/July 2007, Nadal had just turned 21 years old. He's learning a bit more each year and seems to have gotten a good feel for what his body can endure... at the ripe age of 24
After 2009, he really fined tuned his schedule along with fixing his knees.
The better question is if they'll meet again in slams. They can only meet in semis and finals and the past slamshave shown that Federer is not a lock to make the semis anymore.
if federer goes even lower in the rankings they can meet even lower.
Australian Open: Probably not
French Open: LOL!
Wimbledon: Maybe. If he wanted to win it badly enough, he could win here against Nadal again.
U.S. Open: Yes. But he'd have to find some way to summon his game like he did at the WTF.
If Fed regains his form, he can beat Nadal in every Major. With both players in form it's usually just a matter of a few good games because most of their matches are close.
In his current form, Wim & USO are the only possibilities...
wimbledon 2007 final (highlights)
federer served brilliantly especially in that 5th set.
Look,Nadal took a medical time-out in their AO 09 final as well if I'm not mistaken.He took a medical time-out during their match in Hamburg only to come back and win seven straight games.The point being-I wouldn't put too much stock on his 'medical time-outs'. He didn't lose the match just because of that.More often than not,he's just fine after coming back,running around like a jack-rabbit.
If you look at the fifth set,Nadal had multiple chances to win that match and I don't think he was at any point particularly struggling with his movement.It was Roger who had all the pressure to win that match, to win that fifth set ,not Nadal.He went in as the underdog.
If you go further to see the game where he got broken,he didn't just let it go.Roger had to hit some sensational winners to break him there.
How the hell did that mto break his own momentum? He took it between two sets within he time alotted for the changeover,not between two games.
Also ,your point holds water had Nadal gotten broken immediately after a break.Then you could say he lost some focus/momentum.But that's not what happened.If anything ,he immediately got himself two BPs on Roger's opening service game,could've broken him there and quite possibly could have won the match.
Oh and Roger himself played loads better in the fifth set than the fourth.So it goes both ways.
Will Roger ever beat Nadal in a slam ever again ?
I thought Will Rogers died way back in 1935 ? Shouldn't this be in Former Pro section ?
He had a good sense of humor and would have won more Slams if he had not opted for a movie career. But yes, a prime Will Rogers against a prime Nadal -- that would be a match for the ages.
Yes, they'll meet again several times, only to discover that Nadal is still the GOAT.
we can have that match in acting too...i mean with all that MTO's Nadal would be tough competition.
True that Rafa was red hot....but I remember Federer losing his concetration in the fourth set because of some call....it was clearly visible that he lost his momentum from the third set!
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