Will Stan become a nightmare matchup for Djoko?

Legend of Borg

G.O.A.T.
now that he's beaten Djoko in slams twice, do you think Stan will become a kind of mental block or nightmare matchup in future matches even outside of slams?

will it open the floodgates for the Swiss or was this final a kind of anomaly that probably won't be repeated in the future should they meet?

I'm thinking of Nole pre-2011 as an example of losing regularly to Fedal and then suddenly rising to new levels and completely reversing the matchup

will this final reverse the 17-4 H2H?
 

mike danny

Talk Tennis Guru
In the slams though Stan kinda is a bad match-up for Djokovic.

From now on, when Stan plays Djokovic in more slams, those matches will be on Stan's racquet.

It may even happen at Wimb this year. If Nole draws Stan in the semis, the serb might not even reach the final.
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
Wawrinka's too inconsistent to reverse the H2H. And thankfully there are only 4 slams a year for them to meet, so Novak will continue carving him up in the Masters.
 

bjsnider

Hall of Fame
People asked if the floodgates would open after last year's AO. Stan was out in the first round of RG 2014 after every shot he hit went 3 feet long. He puts together an incredible run every so often.
 

heninfan99

Talk Tennis Guru
Well, I have DVDs of Djokovic's earlier period. He used to play a little Safin-like in that he took more risks. Even though his ranking was lower I preferred his early style. Back when he used the Wilson Blade PJ.

To dominate Stan in slams he's going to have play with more risk.
 
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R_Federer

Professional
I'm thinking of Nole pre-2011 as an example of losing regularly to Fedal and then suddenly rising to new levels and completely reversing the matchup
LOL what an irrational comment. You realize everyone could see that eventually Novak would turn the matchup around with Federer considering Federer was only going to get older?

But yes he's already a nightmare for him. He's pushed him at Aussie Open + beaten him there, he's beat him at FO, and he's pushed him at US Open.
 

R_Federer

Professional
Stan at peak level is a nightmare match-up for anybody. He is the one player nobody wants to draw.
LMAOOO!!!! Soooooo you're telling me the people who would complain years ago that Federer was having cake draws because he would always draw Stan (instead of Rafa drawing Stan) were wrong? :confused:
 

heninfan99

Talk Tennis Guru
No, he means the Stanimal phase. He's a player where the match is truly on his racquet.

LMAOOO!!!! Soooooo you're telling me the people who would complain years ago that Federer was having cake draws because he would always draw Stan (instead of Rafa drawing Stan) were wrong? :confused:
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Stanimal is definitely a more threat to him than Nadal.

Nole would rather have Nadal in his half draw at the slam than Wawrinka. For Nadal, it's pick your poison - either Nole or Wawrinka.
 
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RF-18

G.O.A.T.
Stanimal is definitely a more threat to him than Nadal.

Nole would rather have Nadal in his half draw at the slam than Wawrinka. For Nadal, it's pick your poison - either Nole or Wawrinka.
#no

Ten no's
 

spinovic

Hall of Fame
First of all, I don't see Stan suddenly morphing into Mr. Consistency where he's going to start meeting Djokovic 5+ times a year.

Second, after losing to Stan in Australia in 2014, Djokovic rebounded to win their next to major encounters.

Third, clay is Stan's best surface. This is as tough as the matchup is ever going to be for Djokovic. It's a mistake to think this performance will translate across the calendar.

Fourth, Djokovic has endured tough losses before and has always soldiered on.

So, no, I don't think Stan is going to suddenly start beating Djokovic at every major.
 
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Mac33

Professional
When Stan plays Djokovic its on Stan's racquet.

When Djokovic plays Murray its on Djokovic racquet.

If Andy would stand closer to the baseline and put another 10 percent more speed on the ball he would be around 50-50 with Djokovic.

Djokovic is very uncomfortable with the sheer speed of Stan's ground strokes.
 
LMAOOO!!!! Soooooo you're telling me the people who would complain years ago that Federer was having cake draws because he would always draw Stan (instead of Rafa drawing Stan) were wrong? :confused:
Was Stan the player back then he is now? No, his dramatic improvement has really been the last year & a half. People would have respected him as a potential bogeyman back then, but not as a world beater.
 

Noelan

Legend
Was Stan the player back then he is now? No, his dramatic improvement has really been the last year & a half. People would have respected him as a potential bogeyman back then, but not as a world beater.
Stans rise as a formidable top GS player started with USO 2012 , ironically had to retire due to illness against Novak in R4.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
When Djokovic plays Murray its on Djokovic racquet.
Lol...so in those 5 tour level finals in which Murray has beaten Djokovic, it was only because Djokovic was playing badly? It may comfort you to believe that but the rest of us have a bit more respect for and faith in Murray's game than you apparently do!

If Andy would stand closer to the baseline and put another 10 percent more speed on the ball he would be around 50-50 with Djokovic.
No kidding? I'll convey your thoughts immediately to Andy. I'm sure he will never know how to beat Djokovic without hearing them! The other 8 times were obviously because Novak just didn't feel like playing! :wink:
 

xanctus

Semi-Pro
Naaa, I don't think its going to be an issue for Djoko against Stan. It might, but Djoko is super confident now.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
Novak will continue to dominate Stan in the Masters.

Come Grand Slams, all bets are off. The animal comes out of Stan!
 
No, Stan is not a nightmare matchup for Nole. Rather, it's this overly defensive one-dimensional baseliner Djokovic who's a dream matchup for any hardhitters, be it Stan, Roddick or whovever such. Djokovic has no tools to throw a hardhitter off rhythm.
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
No, Stan is not a nightmare matchup for Nole. Rather, it's this overly defensive one-dimensional baseliner Djokovic who's a dream matchup for any hardhitters, be it Stan, Roddick or whovever such. Djokovic has no tools to throw a hardhitter off rhythm.
Lol, so much fail in this post. Very poor attempt from you torpan.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Wawrinka's too inconsistent to reverse the H2H. And thankfully there are only 4 slams a year for them to meet, so Novak will continue carving him up in the Masters.
But who cares about the Masters or the overall h2h? Wawrinka has already prevented Novak from winning two slams in the past 15 months and has won the same number of slams as Novak has in the past 15 months. Game on.
 

RF-18

G.O.A.T.
No, Stan is not a nightmare matchup for Nole. Rather, it's this overly defensive one-dimensional baseliner Djokovic who's a dream matchup for any hardhitters, be it Stan, Roddick or whovever such. Djokovic has no tools to throw a hardhitter off rhythm.
A great applause for you.

Is that why their h2h is what it is? Or Djokovic beating Berdych like, 18 times out of 20? Or other hard hitters?

Great post, man.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
A great applause for you.

Is that why their h2h is what it is? Or Djokovic beating Berdych like, 18 times out of 20? Or other hard hitters?

Great post, man.
But who cares about the past h2h if Stan decides to show up mentally since 2013 at the slams where it matters most?

You would have to admit, the last person you would want Novak to meet in any slam moving forward is Stan IF Stanimal decides to show up. It is not a great match-up for Novak with Stan's improved form. Forget about Stan's form prior to 2013 when he was a lazy dog and had the mentality of a fruit fly. That seems to have changed under Magnus Norman. Stan is never going to be that consistent guy who goes deep in all slams and Masters 1000s but IF he decides to show up and make it to the business end of a slam he can be supremely dangerous and he seems to especially relish the challenge of beating Novak the world #1 for some reason.
 
A great applause for you.

Is that why their h2h is what it is? Or Djokovic beating Berdych like, 18 times out of 20? Or other hard hitters?

Great post, man.
Berdych is an inferior player. Stan's game level changes too much from day to day.

The best proof of Djokovic failure to throw hard hitter off rhythm: Roddick! Just check the H2H.
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
But who cares about the past h2h if Stan decides to show up mentally since 2013 at the slams where it matters most?

You would have to admit, the last person you would want Novak to meet in any slam moving forward is Stan IF Stanimal decides to show up. It is not a great match-up for Novak with Stan's improved form. Forget about Stan's form prior to 2013 when he was a lazy dog and had the mentality of a fruit fly. That seems to have changed under Magnus Norman. Stan is never going to be that consistent guy who goes deep in all slams and Masters 1000s but IF he decides to show up and make it to the business end of a slam he can be supremely dangerous and he seems to especially relish the challenge of beating Novak the world #1 for some reason.
This.
What's so fantastic from Stanimal is that he was a combined 3-46 or something pretty close to that vs. the Big 3 prior to the AO 2014.
Since then, you cannot make a safe bet against him, when they meet. It's as if Norman has been able to make him forget those 46 previous beating and just reset the score and make Stan believe and understand that he has every tool in the book needed to win.
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
But who cares about the Masters or the overall h2h? Wawrinka has already prevented Novak from winning two slams in the past 15 months and has won the same number of slams as Novak has in the past 15 months. Game on.
Lol, next you'll be saying that Wawrinka's been just as good a player as Djokovic since 2014 cc0 :grin: And of course people care about the Masters and h2h, its all we ever hear about on this forum!
 

rossi46

Professional
Absolutely, Wawrinka's shotmaking is at times too much for the passive Djokovic to handle.

If only Stan could have done this 5 or so years ago tennis would have been a much better sport to watch. The likes of Nadal, Djokovic and Murray have bought the sport down, nothing more than a baseline slugfest, wait until my opponent makes a mistake, unnatural strokes etc. Any matchup between those 3 is boring. Don't think I have heard anyone say anything negative about Stan's game, the crowds love him as well. Plays an aggressive game, goes for his shots and behaviour wise there is nothing fake about him. Even when he won the Aus and the French no silly celebrations, rolling around, ripping his shirt, crying etc.
 

heftylefty

Hall of Fame
Absolutely, Wawrinka's shotmaking is at times too much for the passive Djokovic to handle.

If only Stan could have done this 5 or so years ago tennis would have been a much better sport to watch. The likes of Nadal, Djokovic and Murray have bought the sport down, nothing more than a baseline slugfest, wait until my opponent makes a mistake, unnatural strokes etc. Any matchup between those 3 is boring. Don't think I have heard anyone say anything negative about Stan's game, the crowds love him as well. Plays an aggressive game, goes for his shots and behaviour wise there is nothing fake about him. Even when he won the Aus and the French no silly celebrations, rolling around, ripping his shirt, crying etc.
So, basically, like a BOSS, right?
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
Absolutely, Wawrinka's shotmaking is at times too much for the passive Djokovic to handle.

If only Stan could have done this 5 or so years ago tennis would have been a much better sport to watch. The likes of Nadal, Djokovic and Murray have bought the sport down, nothing more than a baseline slugfest, wait until my opponent makes a mistake, unnatural strokes etc. Any matchup between those 3 is boring. Don't think I have heard anyone say anything negative about Stan's game, the crowds love him as well. Plays an aggressive game, goes for his shots and behaviour wise there is nothing fake about him. Even when he won the Aus and the French no silly celebrations, rolling around, ripping his shirt, crying etc.
Stan's game might not be boring when he's playing well but it sure is when he's making 50+ unforced errors every other match. Give me Djokovic's consistency any day of the week.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
This.
What's so fantastic from Stanimal is that he was a combined 3-46 or something pretty close to that vs. the Big 3 prior to the AO 2014.
Since then, you cannot make a safe bet against him, when they meet. It's as if Norman has been able to make him forget those 46 previous beating and just reset the score and make Stan believe and understand that he has every tool in the book needed to win.
Yes, which is an amazing thing to be able to do at age 29. The thing is with Stan, you don't know if he is going to tank his matches and have no interest or come all guns blazing. If it is the latter, the top players have to watch out.
 

RF-18

G.O.A.T.
But who cares about the past h2h if Stan decides to show up mentally since 2013 at the slams where it matters most?

You would have to admit, the last person you would want Novak to meet in any slam moving forward is Stan IF Stanimal decides to show up. It is not a great match-up for Novak with Stan's improved form. Forget about Stan's form prior to 2013 when he was a lazy dog and had the mentality of a fruit fly. That seems to have changed under Magnus Norman. Stan is never going to be that consistent guy who goes deep in all slams and Masters 1000s but IF he decides to show up and make it to the business end of a slam he can be supremely dangerous and he seems to especially relish the challenge of beating Novak the world #1 for some reason.
That is not what I was answering. I was answering the parts where he says djoko is a dream-match up for any hard hitters and that he has no tools to bother them.

And no, I'm not afraid of Djoko playing Stan.
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
Yes, which is an amazing thing to be able to do at age 29. The thing is with Stan, you don't know if he is going to tank his matches and have no interest or come all guns blazing. If it is the latter, the top players have to watch out.
Indeed. If he's out of the cage, I think only current Novak can hang with him (not considering the others' past best). And that's only by the skin of his teeth.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Lol, next you'll be saying that Wawrinka's been just as good a player as Djokovic since 2014 cc0 :grin: And of course people care about the Masters and h2h, its all we ever hear about on this forum!
But at the slams he has been. They are tied at 2 slams during that same period.

The only time Masters 1000s or the h2h come into play is if two players are tied at the same slam number. Otherwise it means feck all. We know Djokovic is a much greater and more consistent player than Wawrinka is overall. Djokovic is your man if you are betting on which player will win a Masters 1000but moving forward are you really going to be confident if you see that Wawrinka has to play Djokovic in a slam?
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Stan's game might not be boring when he's playing well but it sure is when he's making 50+ unforced errors every other match. Give me Djokovic's consistency any day of the week.
Please! Djokovic is the most boring robotic number one player since Lendl. Wawrinka's style is much more appealing IMO.
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
But at the slams he has been.They are tied at 2 slams during that same period.

The only time Masters 1000s or the h2h come into play is if two players are tied at the same slam number. Otherwise it means feck all. We know Djokovic is a much greater and more consistent player than Wawrinka is overall. Djokovic is your man if you are betting on which player will win a Masters 1000but moving forward are you really going to be confident if you see that Wawrinka has to play Djokovic in a slam?
Oh dear, here we go again. Unless Wawrinka reached another two slam finals I wasn't aware of then no, he hasn't been. Not to mention a WTF title and 7 more Masters 1000!
This "slams are everything" mentality of yours is really beginning to irritate me cc0. :rolleyes:
 
That is not what I was answering. I was answering the parts where he says djoko is a dream-match up for any hard hitters and that he has no tools to bother them.

And no, I'm not afraid of Djoko playing Stan.
What does Djokovic's constant pace baseline hitting do to throw a hard hitter off rhythm? Where is the variety? Where is the first strike attacking? Where is the sucking away of the pace as a variety tool?

Everything that Nole does actually gives BETTER rhythm for hard hitters. Nole has no tools for destroying the rhythm of rallies. Only blind eyes don't see it.
 

GabeT

Legend
The only time Masters 1000s or the h2h come into play is if two players are tied at the same slam number. Otherwise it means feck all.
How long will this nonsense idea continue? Not a single professional player believes this, and yet online posters whose only connection to professional tennis is watching it on TV continue to repeat it, day after day.

All tournaments matter, even if they don't matter equally. When Federer or Nadal or Stan or whoever play a tournament they always want to win. ALWAYS. That's why they are professions and champions.

A Masters is worth less than a Slam but this idiotic idea that they are worth nothing should die. But it won't.

Federer wanted to win Rome and did all he could. All he could. But he failed. Nole wants to win Cincy.

When Nadal lost the FO he didn't say, now I'll prepare for Wimbledon or the USO. He said his aim was to play the WTF.
 
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