Will tennis need to move to fan-less tournaments?

Will tennis move to fan-less tournaments?

  • Yes, they have to adapt to a new reality

    Votes: 20 46.5%

  • No, tennis will wait to restart until people can flock to stadiums again

    Votes: 23 53.5%
  • Total voters
    43
GabeT said:
Soccer, which has normally much bigger crowds than tennis, has already had instances of playing matches without spectators.
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If you can't see or understand the difference between the two sports as well as the geographical differences, explaining it to you would fall on deaf ears.
 
BeatlesFan said:
If you can't see or understand the difference between the two sports as well as the geographical differences, explaining it to you would fall on deaf ears.
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Pro sports is pro sports. If anything soccer is more international and with bigger crowds. If you don’t understand that...‍
 
jm1980 said:
If we are going to have to wait for a timeline where the entire world has this under control, then nothing is going to happen until the middle of next year at the earliest
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Right now that sounds like an optimist scenario. Chances of having a vaccine that has been widely distributed across the world by mid next year seems very remote
 
GabeT said:
Pro sports is pro sports. If anything soccer is more international and with bigger crowds. If you don’t understand that...‍
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Soccer has 22 players on the field at any given time, with dozens more subs, medical, and coaching staff, and umpires also on the field. And then you still have the TV crews, facility maintenance staff, and likely everything else tennis also has. As far as people on the premises, soccer probably has more.

The big advantage of soccer (and most other sports) is that all the players are already in the country, so there's less of an issue with travel restrictions. Although at this point the disease has already spread across the globe, and further travel restrictions aren't very helpful. Depending on where you are, you're just as likely to get it from a local as from an international traveler.

But as long as countries have travel restrictions in place, it's going to be tough to hold tennis tournaments.
 
jm1980 said:
Soccer has 22 players on the field at any given time, with dozens more subs, medical, and coaching staff, and umpires also on the field. And then you still have the TV crews, facility maintenance staff, and likely everything else tennis also has. As far as people on the premises, soccer probably has more.

The big advantage of soccer (and most other sports) is that all the players are already in the country, so there's less of an issue with travel restrictions. Although at this point the disease has already spread across the globe, and further travel restrictions aren't very helpful. Depending on where you are, you're just as likely to get it from a local as from an international traveler.

But as long as countries have travel restrictions in place, it's going to be tough to hold tennis tournaments.
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As long as we remain in the travel restriction phase almost no pro sports is likely. Even travel within countries remains restricted.

My point is a different one. At some point travel restrictions will be lifted or made easier. People won’t be under shelter in place orders. But, and this is the crucial point, that doesn‘t mean we will go back to normal quickly.

A lot of people seem to think that the quarantine will last some X time and then, when it‘s lifted, we go back to the old ways.

Maybe that’s the case. Let‘s hope so. But a lot of evidence indicates that may not happen.

A full return to normal will require a vaccine. That could take years for full impact. In the meantime the virus will come back during the flu season and risk will remain high in large gatherings. Some countries have returned to allowing restaurants to open and people to move about but large gatherings are still prohibited.

So we could be looking at several years before live sports can be played in a full stadium. Maybe none of this happens but if it does, how does pro sports (and tennis) respond? That‘s my question.
 
If the Tennis Channel started showing matches without spectators, I would probably still watch. :) It might be interesting to see how the players adapt.
 
I think once a vaccine is developed, tested and proven that should calm a lot of fears. Also, as more data is gathered we may find that the death rate is not as severe as the models are predicting. The vaccine combined with real data not just the COVD-19 model being used should reassure people. Basically, once people are no longer afraid then sporting events will gradually return to normal. There will most likely be some changes as far as precautions and screenings.
 
TennisDawg said:
I think once a vaccine is developed, tested and proven that should calm a lot of fears. Also, as more data is gathered we may find that the death rate is not as severe as the models are predicting. The vaccine combined with real data not just the COVD-19 model being used should reassure people. Basically, once people are no longer afraid then sporting events will gradually return to normal. There will most likely be some changes as far as precautions and screenings.
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I agree. This virus is so new, but now since it’s spread around the globe we learn a lot about it. It’s scientists all over the world now researching about it. I know there are teams and they gather information and work together globally. Only in my small country it’s 22 hospitals collecting data and having trials they share. Think we will know much more about the virus following weeks and how we can protect us from it and how to quickly screen it.
Boarders cannot be closed for months on, we have to find solutions.
 
The simplest solution is for some cheap and quick test that can validate your virus-free status, which would then be a mandatory check for entry into sporting arenas and the like.
 
Bartelby said:
The simplest solution is for some cheap and quick test that can validate your virus-free status, which would then be a mandatory check for entry into sporting arenas and the like.
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But I would get more peace of mind if the test tells me I already have anti-bodies than no virus.
If I have no virus and no antibody, I'm not sure if I go to the stadium. :-D
 
Except if it you were seriously ill for a month in order to get those anti-bodies. And then there is some possibility of mutation.

ewiewp said:
But I would get more peace of mind if the test tells me I already have anti-bodies than no virus.
If I have no virus and no antibody, I'm not sure if I go to the stadium. :-D
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BeatlesFan said:
Larry Ellison already said (and he should know) that even at IW with no crowds, "at least" 500 people would have to be around the stadium for any given match: reporters, TV crews, announcers, coaches, players, locker room people, janitors, people cleaning the facility, linespeople, the chair, etc. etc.

Why do people endlessly start threads which have already been addressed? Tennis will not be played with no spectators. Wimbledon stated this wasn't an option before they cancelled, the USO has also said it.
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They would have to be able to rapid test each of those 500 people every morning
 
Bartelby said:
The simplest solution is for some cheap and quick test that can validate your virus-free status, which would then be a mandatory check for entry into sporting arenas and the like.
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Also players have to stop bringing a full entourage of a “team” and family. Limit how many that can travel w them.
I wanted this for a long time, too much unnecessary carbon footprints and also unfair for those who hardly can afford to bring themselves to play.
 
GabeT said:
says the guy posting in a tennis forum
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I am hoping people will realize the seriousness of the situation we are in. This is the time to see what we can do to save ourselves and the community we are in .

It is not prudent to endlessly wonder if tennis should be played or not or should it be played with or without fans
 
tennisaddict said:
I am hoping people will realize the seriousness of the situation we are in. This is the time to see what we can do to save ourselves and the community we are in .

It is not prudent to endlessly wonder if tennis should be played or not or should it be played with or without fans
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Yet here you are (in a tennis forum) :unsure:
 
tennisaddict said:
When 52000 people have died , the last thing any sane person should be thinking about is tennis
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ALL I can think about is Roger. "The Greatest of All Time"
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GabeT said:
But a lot of evidence indicates that may not happen.
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GabeT said:
A full return to normal will require a vaccine. That could take years for full impact.
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GabeT said:
Some countries have returned to allowing restaurants to open and people to move about but large gatherings are still prohibited.
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SWEDEN
GabeT said:
So we could be looking at several years before live sports can be played in a full stadium
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You make a lot of unverified assertions with NEVER a citation as if they are FACTS!--always with the MOST PESSIMISTIC outcomes! Quote your sources or you are just blowing hot air without a mask. Quote your sources for the above extreme assertions--or you're just another tennis player without a court to play on--bringing others down with your pessimistic outlook. The "experts" say they are learning as they go along and will not know "the facts" until verifiable accurate data
is tabulated. There are as many experts saying this could be a short term event--I've cited them previously, I haven't seen ANY citations backing up your assertions above. I don't claim to be anything but a tennis player at a tennis website but I don't pretend that I will change anything in the big picture otherwise I would be studying viruses under an electron microscope for a solution or hooking up patients to ventilators. Quote your sources for your above pessimistic assertions--or they are just your opinion based on your particular rumor mill.
 
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tennis tom said:
SWEDEN

You make a lot of unverified assertions with NEVER a citation as if they are FACTS!--always with the MOST PESSIMISTIC outcomes! Quote your sources or you are just blowing hot air without a mask. Quote your sources for the above extreme assertions--or you're just another tennis player without a court to play on--bringing others down with your pessimistic outlook. The "experts" say they are learning as they go along and will not know "the facts" until verifiable accurate data
is tabulated. There are as many experts saying this could be a short term event--I've cited them previously, I haven't seen ANY citations backing up your assertions above. I don't claim to be anything but a tennis player at a tennis website but I don't pretend that I will change anything in the big picture otherwise I would be studying viruses under an electron microscope for a solution or hooking up patients to ventilators. Quote your sources for your above pessimistic assertions--or they are just your opinion based on your particular rumor mill.
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dude, you really are a Trump supporter after all! ;)
 
A thorough mandatory testing could set us free. Those tested positive, complete isolation for those and those tested negative, should go back to normal day life.
 
Zara said:
A thorough mandatory testing could set us free. Those tested positive, complete isolation for those and those tested negative, should go back to normal day life.
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This would never work in the West. It breaks all kinds of privacy laws, and it would probably also be unlawful to isolate the positives anyway. Not to mention the logistics of testing everyone are enormously difficult
 
jm1980 said:
This would never work in the West. It breaks all kinds of privacy laws, and it would probably also be unlawful to isolate the positives anyway. Not to mention the logistics of testing everyone are enormously difficult
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Extreme situations require extreme measures. Surely people would want to cooperate if they want to avoid a greater disaster?
 
Tennis fans and people in the stadiums are a staple of tournaments. Without the fans, it becomes very, and I mean VERY quiet. The only thing you will hear is the grunting, the ball, and either an out call or the score. The fans help make the match more exciting by clapping when a challenge is called or yelling and screaming at the championship point. Imagine if there was no crowd at USO final or Wimbledon, it would be awful.
 
tennisaddict said:
When 52000 people have died , the last thing any sane person should be thinking about is tennis
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Actually sports takes worries off your mind. It is very healthy to do or watch than to preoccupy yourself with health-related fears about yourself or loved ones.

They had sports & entertainment in war time to get back some normalcy in society. People even worked knowing they might be bombed.
Ask a Croat or Serb one-on-one and they'll probably say, yeah, let's tough it out and take the proper health & safety measures.
Novak, cilic, Goran grew up during their civil war/ethnic cleansing. They're tough dudes..well not Cilic he cried on the court.
We already live with 150,000+ deaths each day. ( 150,000 people who die each day across the globe. - Wikipedia)

- CDC estimates that, as of mid-March 2020, between 29,000 and 59,000 have died due to influenza illnesses
- Nearly 1.25 million people are killed in car crashes each year. On average, that's 3,287 deaths a day. An additional 20-50 million are injured or disabled (Source: - thewanderingrv.com/car-accident-statistics/)
Just saying we live with lots of deaths all the time.
Don't live in fear. Do be responsible, take proper precautions & obey the law.
 
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mahesh69a said:
"The world is changed. I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air. Much that once was is lost (for none now live who remember it - this part is too ominous, but I will leave it there because its a masterpiece quote from LOTR)."
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Whose quote is it? Just checking if people read the book or just munch down those movies.
 
The networks should keep their sports slams and masters time slots and just show the best recent matches in 10 years for those particular tournaments until this is all figured out. ESPN usually does that for each upcoming slam. Sprinkle in some charity & ATG senior events. They have a lot of highlights and spectacular matches to keep us (or newbies) glued in.
 
a10best said:
Actually sports takes worries off your mind. It is very healthy to do or watch than to preoccupy yourself with health-related fears about yourself or loved ones.

They had sports & entertainment in war time to get back some normalcy in society. People even worked knowing they might be bombed.
Ask a Croat or Serb one-on-one and they'll probably say, yeah, let's tough it out and take the proper health & safety measures.
Novak, cilic, Goran grew up during their civil war/ethnic cleansing. They're tough dudes..well not Cilic he cried on the court.
We already live with 150,000+ deaths each day. ( 150,000 people who die each day across the globe. - Wikipedia)

- CDC estimates that, as of mid-March 2020, between 29,000 and 59,000 have died due to influenza illnesses
- Nearly 1.25 million people are killed in car crashes each year. On average, that's 3,287 deaths a day. An additional 20-50 million are injured or disabled (Source: - thewanderingrv.com/car-accident-statistics/)
Just saying we live with lots of deaths all the time.
Don't live in fear. Do be responsible, take proper precautions & obey the law.
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We know a lot about flu, how to prevent it and deal with it. We are not on the same boat with Corona.

"Accidents" are avoidable . You know what you have to do to avoid being in one. Not the same with Corona.

We all need to be more responsible, indulge in a higher level of thinking and compassion than ever before
 
"Assuming society doesn’t simply collapse pro sports will need to adjust to the new reality. Most people who watch tennis do so from a screen, not in person. Most of the earnings of the sport are from TV rights, not ticket holders."
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Yes, COVID-19 is a big deal and should be taken seriously. People should be doing everything the WHO is advising, but it's not the end of the world as we know it. Last time I checked the world is a pretty old and tough gal. She's seen and been through some tough ****. Just off the top of my head: The Bubonic Plague wiped out close to half of Europe, The Spanish Flu infected 500+ million people and killed up to 50 million people. We've been through 2 WORLD WARS, and we're going to get through this too.
 
Some only care about catching Federer it seems. Already trying to think of ways to force tennis. It's best to accept things as they are until there's a clear path for a solution.
 
French Open CEO: FFS, I just finished building a bigger stadium for the crowd...you cvnts kept telling i need a bigger stadium, so I built one, and now you want a spectator-less sport...
 
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tacou said:
Tennis tournaments are sometimes played in 6 different countries during one week, then each of those players/umpires/coaches/other team members fly to a new country, all season long.

The logistics of rearranging the tennis calendar are daunting enough when discussing something like adding an extra grass tournament. Different countries will lift/enforce restrictions at different times and there’s no way to ensure hundreds, if not thousands, of people are staying healthy over the course of near constant international travel.

I don’t see a situation where tennis can come back but large events are still prohibited, other than maybe a one off event for charity or something.
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This is the correct answer. Unlike most professional sports, the players coming into a country for a tournament are almost as much of a health risk as spectators given how much they travel internationally. More so, in some ways.

I think that when tennis does come back, it may be in a very different form (at least initially). Perhaps something like World Team Tennis or an extended version of ATP Cup, where all players go to a single country that has loosened restrictions and play an extended sort of round robin league or tournament over several weeks or months.

A return to a truly global tour is going to take a very long time.
 
I have a feeling that the tours may have some sort of improvised schedule in the works for the last quarter of the year along these lines.

But whether they unveil such plans depends on where we are at the beginning of the third quarter.

Cashman said:
I think that when tennis does come back, it may be in a very different form (at least initially). Perhaps something like World Team Tennis or an extended version of ATP Cup, where all players go to a single country that has loosened restrictions and play an extended sort of round robin league or tournament over several weeks or months.
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"We're not goons. We're not bullies. No matter what people say or do... we have to be ourselves. And we're gonna stick together. You know why? Because we are Ducks. And ducks fly together."
 
GabeT said:
dude, you really are a Trump supporter after all! ;)
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Once again you avoid answering the question(s)--"ANSWER THE QUESTION!" You keep spouting your doom & gloom, pessimism, glass is half empty, we're all gonna' die, abandon ship, no tennis ever again anywhere any time ever again, hysteria DRIVEL without an ounce of a citation to ANY source credible or lying.

You are shorting the market, aren't you?
Your posts should be behind a mask.

Dr. Oz--a real doctor, said today the curve is leveling and things will be better by mid-April.
 
a10best said:
Actually sports takes worries off your mind. It is very healthy to do or watch than to preoccupy yourself with health-related fears about yourself or loved ones.

They had sports & entertainment in war time to get back some normalcy in society. People even worked knowing they might be bombed.
Ask a Croat or Serb one-on-one and they'll probably say, yeah, let's tough it out and take the proper health & safety measures.
Novak, cilic, Goran grew up during their civil war/ethnic cleansing. They're tough dudes..well not Cilic he cried on the court.
We already live with 150,000+ deaths each day. ( 150,000 people who die each day across the globe. - Wikipedia)

- CDC estimates that, as of mid-March 2020, between 29,000 and 59,000 have died due to influenza illnesses
- Nearly 1.25 million people are killed in car crashes each year. On average, that's 3,287 deaths a day. An additional 20-50 million are injured or disabled (Source: - thewanderingrv.com/car-accident-statistics/)
Just saying we live with lots of deaths all the time.
Don't live in fear. Do be responsible, take proper precautions & obey the law.
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THANKS! Best post in days. Thanks for taking the time to research the data!
 
By not allowing citizens to exercise, their auto-immune systems will be weakened and they will become MORE susceptible to illness rather than less. How much mental illness will be created by the loss of jobs, lively hoods, life savings--how many will commit suicide due to the fall-out? This cure is WORSE than the disease! The models based on data from foreign sources is massively flawed.
 
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