Will this loss haunt Sinner?

[ChrisJR3264]

It’s funny.
All these topics about sinner after alcaraz just won his 5th grand slam.(Jannik -3)

4th straight win over sinner.

8-4 H2H

And is 2 years younger.

 

[Mainad]

It will for a while. Just hope he'll be over it in time for Wimbledon.

 

[1HBHNation]

People don't want to realize that none of sinner run's to his grand slams glory was great. He had weaks draws. in USO2024 he got fritz with atrocious movement and no legs. in AO2024 he got an overexhausted medvedev in the Final and a struggling novak in SF who spent too much on the court before reaching the SF. This year in AO he got nobody until zverev who is a more or less legit opponent in a slam final.

This. And he barely crawled across the finish line to beat medvedev

 

[Kralingen]

Not unless you feel the 2022 choke also haunts him.

Jannik got banned for doping and came back and won two Slams. He’s not the type to get mentally shaken easily.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

He will be fine. He dominates 90% of the tour.

True but if alcaraz is in his way he has a real problem.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Not unless you feel the 2022 choke also haunts him.

Jannik got banned for doping and came back and won two Slams. He’s not the type to get mentally shaken easily.

I agree against the rest of the field. However, I think he’s in the position where he would gladly be hoping alcaraz gets knocked out. His confidence against alcaraz will be dented further. It was already fragile now alcaraz has crushed it more.

 

[NoleFam]

At RG, yes. This one and the one last year will get play with his mind if he gets pushed to a 5th set in a big match again. At the other tournaments, I don't think so.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

This can easily balloon to 15 straight losses quickly if Carlos gets it going on hardcourts. . Even on hards, Sinner isn't the favorite against Alcaraz even though hes a better player on hards. Matchup wise and Mentally, Sinner has no answers against Carlos

It not nice to say this but sinner won all his slams as alcaraz went MIA on hard courts. If alcaraz sorts that out will sinner be stopped even in HC slams if alcaraz is waiting for him? Alcaraz is sinner’s big daddy right now and sinner has to stop the bleeding fast.

 

[Shaolin]

It'll sting but he will use it for motivation and be back stronger no doubt.

 

[chjtennis]

Sinner will no doubt keep playing high level tennis, but this one will haunt him, I think. It was important for Sinner psychologically to win this match to erase the doubt from his mind if he could beat Alcaraz in slam finals. Alcaraz is well ahead in H2H now and that will play in their minds whenever they meet in any tournaments. Sinner had a very good chance to win, going 2 sets up, but he still lost. I don't know what caused sudden collapse in intensity from Sinner's game in set 3, but that a;;owed Carlos to fight back and win. This certainly will haunt Sinner until he beats Raz in a slam match. By the way, Alcaraz now has won the most ranking points from this year, he accumulated a lot of points while Sinner was away, and he looks good for YE no.1 for this year.

 

[socallefty]

If anything he knows he is very close to beating Alcaraz in big finals and long matches. He should feel more confident if they have another final. And he will be more confident on hard courts anyway.

 

[Searchlight]

This was a monumental defeat for Sinner, he held championship points, he was two sets to love up. I cannot stress how a loss of this magnitude can impact your psyche and motivation, only the best can recover, Djokovic, Nadal and Federer recovered from heartbreaking defeats.

A loss such as this could leave emotional baggage going forward, look at Medvedev now, he's a shell of his former self and those tough losses to Nadal and Sinner at the Australian Open really impacted his form.

Sinner has real issues beating Alcaraz too, Carlos has the higher ceiling and Sinner is the most consistent. Underneath that robotic exterior must be a crestfallen person.

Carlos' haunting loss to Novak at the Olympics didn't seem to bother him. Time will tell.

 

[No_Kwan_Do]

I doubt it. He's 23, and will have plenty of opportunities to right the wrongs over the next 5-10 years. Playing at that level, Alcaraz is the only one that's stopping him winning more big titles.

If he starts choking leads to him in future, then it may turn into a problem though.

 

[dking68]

Will win Wimbledon, bookmark this.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Definitely so. And there is only one way to cure this - he needs to beat Raz in their next slam final clash.

Tough challange, although not unlikely, especially if they meet at low bouncing AO or Wimbledon.

 

[Mustard]

Sinner admits that it hurts:

 

[Mustard]

Carlos' haunting loss to Novak at the Olympics didn't seem to bother him. Time will tell.

It bothered him a lot. He was also out of form for some time afterwards, except beating Sinner in Beijing.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Sinner admits that it hurts:

 

[MHI]

No, the floor level of Sinner is pretty high.

Best comment here.

 

[Jonas78]

I hope not, but i fear it will.

 

[TennisTurkey]

I think he's resilient enough and will be fine. In many ways he has less problems to solve than Alcaraz.

Alcaraz loses to far more people than Sinner and has more tactical and technical holes in his game (albeit with more flair and top end power), whereas Sinner only has to figure out how to get over the line against one person.

I reckon a two-prong approach is in order for Sinner:

1. See a sports psychologist to get rid of the scar tissue from this loss and work on strategies for closing in future. He's more than good enough already to beat Alcaraz in 3-4 sets if he becomes a better closer.

2. Keep on improving his overall game. If he can do that, he could get to a point where he beats Alcaraz in a stress free manner without critical points or games he has to negotiate. E.g. his serve has improved but there is still room for improvement (it wasn't great in the final), his stamina has improved but isn't quite up to Raz etc.

 

[Jonas78]

I think he's resilient enough and will be fine. In many ways he has less problems to solve than Alcaraz.

Alcaraz loses to far more people than Sinner and has more tactical and technical holes in his game (albeit with more flair and top end power), whereas Sinner only has to figure out how to get over the line against one person.

I reckon a two-prong approach is in order for Sinner:

1. See a sports psychologist to get rid of the scar tissue from this loss and work on strategies for closing in future. He's more than good enough already to beat Alcaraz in 3-4 sets if he becomes a better closer.

2. Keep on improving his overall game. If he can do that, he could get to a point where he beats Alcaraz in a stress free manner without critical points or games he has to negotiate. E.g. his serve has improved but there is still room for improvement (it wasn't great in the final), his stamina has improved but isn't quite up to Raz etc.

I think you are correct.
1. Alcaraz put himself in a losing position yesterday, Nole/Rafa would finish him.
2. Carlo hasnt won ATP1000+ on HC sinse IW2024, which shows how vulnerable he still is on HC.
3. It seems Sinner has the game to win on all surfaces now, he just needs a shrink.

 

[Jonas78]

I agree against the rest of the field. However, I think he’s in the position where he would gladly be hoping alcaraz gets knocked out. His confidence against alcaraz will be dented further. It was already fragile now alcaraz has crushed it more.

We wont really know before they meet in a HC slam...

 

[Vito Andolini]

I mean it's basically 40-15 on steroids(or corticosteroids à la clobetasol). So yeah it's gonna burn and 100% has the potential to make him Alcaraz's pigeon for years.

 

[Fedforever]

fed never really recovered vs rafa after 2008W F and lost in AO2009, AO2012 and AO2014 after. He never recovered after USO2010 and USO2011 against Novak. Novak remembered and visualized the situation in WIM2019 MP's as he later admitted. Medvedev,Tsitsipas and Zverev were all destroyed mentally after being up 2 sets in a slam final. Coria never recovered.
PSG in champions league soccer never recovered all the remontadas they suffered until this year. What i mean is that is has a snowball and carrryover effect for some time.

How come Federer beat Novak in Wimbledon 2012 then?

 

[Enceladus]

Yesterday's final proved that Carlito is a mentally even stronger player than Jannik, Carlos won two Grand Slam matches against Jannik from MP, so this question is resolved.

I think Jannik will recover from this cruel loss soon, but I say that if he doesn't break the losing streak with Carlos in the near future, he will show a mental block in the matches against Carlito, similar to what Fed had with Rafa...

 

[Fedforever]

Can't believe people are seriously trying an argument that Federer not winning a Slam after W19 is somehow relevant to the Sinner situation.

Federer lost to the heat at the US Open (and hadn't done well there in the previous two years), lost to Djokovic at Novak's best Slam, injury took away the next three Slams, and then he played two Slams on one leg at almost forty. Where was Slam 22 coming from if he'd won in 19?

Barring injuries Sinner has many years to recover from this loss.

 

[Hood_Man]

then why Federer never prevailed over Djokovic with the better serve? And don't tell me it was age because that was not the key factor in some of their matches. Same with nadal . Roger had age advantage over young nadal with a way better serve and lost tons of matches on HC exactly like Sinner is losing to Alcaraz on HC. The Beijing tiebreak won by alcaraz in 2024 was the same than the supertiebreak today. Sinner was the better player up until that final moment

It was age.

 

[esm]

Nah, he will be alright.
Just waiting for his mate Darren Cahill to come in the TV and share the reasons why he lost 3 championship points. Sorry I meant “making excuses”. lol

 

[adil1972]

Only time will tell if it haunts sinner or no

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

it looked tough for his mum...

 

[M4tchP0int]

I think sinner will recover in the medium term but i think that it won't be business as usual for wimbledon given the magnitude and enormity of what just happened. Clearly Novak and Carlos are first two favorites in front of sinner and draper at this point. Don't think sinner can beat Novak and Carlos back to back in this wimbledon in this mental state with less than 3 weeks.

 

[merwy]

I actually think it will hurt him the next couple of times he plays Alcaraz. Since these guys usually meet at finals of big tournaments, it could harm his career in a significant way.