Will Woz be in the HOF?

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
Will Caroline Wozniacki eventually be in the Tennis Hall of Fame?

I'm really not trying to start a debate about whether she should (though that's proably inevitable); just really a discussion about whether she eventually will. Whether you agree or disagree, it's clear that 1-time Slam winners are HOF candidates and inductees.

IMO, her career is comparable to Conchita Martinez who was just recently inducted into the HOF. Both have 1 Slam and 2 other finals; Martinez has 33 titles, Woz 30 titles.

Martinez had more Tier 1 tourney wins, and she has Olympic medals and numerous Fed Cup wins, and she has considerably more deep runs (QF or better) in Slams - 23 for Martinez; 10 for Woz.

But, Woz achieved the No. 1 ranking (for 70 weeks) and won a WTA Tour Finals title; Martinez did neither. I have no idea if Martinez's coaching - Fed Cup, Davis Cup, individual players - played any part in putting her over the top.

She's not eligible for a few more years, but will Woz eventually be giving a speech at Newport?
 
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thrust

Hall of Fame
Will Caroline Wozniacki eventually be in the Tennis Hall of Fame?

I'm really not trying to start a debate about whether she should (though that's proably inevitable); just really a discussion about whether she eventually will. Whether you agree or disagree, it's clear that 1-time Slam winners are HOF candidates and inductees.

IMO, her career is comparable to Conchita Martinez who was just recently inducted into the HOF. Both have 1 Slam and 2 other finals; Martinez has 33 titles, Woz 30 titles.

Martinez had more Tier 1 tourney wins, and she has Olympic medals and numerous Fed Cup wins, and she has considerably more deep runs (QF or better) in Slams - 23 for Martinez; 10 for Woz.

But, Woz achieved the No. 1 ranking (for 70 weeks) and won a WTA Tour Finals title; Martinez did neither. I have no idea if Martinez's coaching - Fed Cup, Davis Cup, individual players - played any part in putting her over the top.

She's not eligible for a few more years, but will Woz eventually be giving a speech at Newport?
Neither Woz or Martinez deserve to be in the tennis HOF
 
Will Caroline Wozniacki eventually be in the Tennis Hall of Fame?

I'm really not trying to start a debate about whether she should (though that's proably inevitable); just really a discussion about whether she eventually will. Whether you agree or disagree, it's clear that 1-time Slam winners are HOF candidates and inductees.

IMO, her career is comparable to Conchita Martinez who was just recently inducted into the HOF. Both have 1 Slam and 2 other finals; Martinez has 33 titles, Woz 30 titles.

Martinez had more Tier 1 tourney wins, and she has Olympic medals and numerous Fed Cup wins, and she has considerably more deep runs (QF or better) in Slams - 23 for Martinez; 10 for Woz.

But, Woz achieved the No. 1 ranking (for 70 weeks) and won a WTA Tour Finals title; Martinez did neither. I have no idea if Martinez's coaching - Fed Cup, Davis Cup, individual players - played any part in putting her over the top.

She's not eligible for a few more years, but will Woz eventually be giving a speech at Newport?
It's a little bit strange how some athletes from small tennis nations are treated by the Hall of Fame.

She no doubt meets the requirements but don't be surprised if she is not immediately nominated or inducted and things drag out weirdly.

For what it's worth, Martinez definitely deserved to be in imo. An iconic player with a very noteworthy style who was very popular. Played in a pivotal era for the WTA and won a major off her favourite surface. Very memorable personality and as you mentioned has stayed contributing in tennis after retiring from playing.
 

Musterrific

Professional
Well the HOF is pressured to induct players every year, and with the Big 3 hogging the slam titles for the past 15 years, potential inductees are getting rather thin. They'll probably be forced to include every one-slam wonder over time.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Well the HOF is pressured to induct players every year, and with the Big 3 hogging the slam titles for the past 15 years, potential inductees are getting rather thin. They'll probably be forced to include every one-slam wonder over time.
As 1 Slam wonders go, Wozniacki is one of the best. Has 2 other Slam finals to her credit, and a total of 30 titles including the WTA Finals and 6 Premier Mandatory titles plus her 71 weeks ranked at world #1. A shoo-in when she becomes eligible in about 5 years.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
It's a little bit strange how some athletes from small tennis nations are treated by the Hall of Fame.

She no doubt meets the requirements but don't be surprised if she is not immediately nominated or inducted and things drag out weirdly.

For what it's worth, Martinez definitely deserved to be in imo. An iconic player with a very noteworthy style who was very popular. Played in a pivotal era for the WTA and won a major off her least favourite surface. Very memorable personality and as you mentioned has stayed contributing in tennis after retiring from playing.
FTFY. :cool:
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
Well the HOF is pressured to induct players every year, and with the Big 3 hogging the slam titles for the past 15 years, potential inductees are getting rather thin. They'll probably be forced to include every one-slam wonder over time.
The "big three" did not stop a large number of players from winning majors on the women's side--the other group of players where majors winners are in abundance for current and future consideration.
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
Pam Shriver is in the HOF thanks to her doubles results, she won 21 grandslams in the women's doubles and in 1984 she won CYGS together with Martina Navratilova. Together with Martina Navratilova, they formed the best female doubles pair in history of tennis. IMO, Pam is deservedly in HOF.
Keep in mind that much of the hate of Shriver has to do with her years as a commentator, where certain people accused her of playing favorites with players they hated (namely the Williams sisters more then others they will cite), so they disregard her entire career for that reason.
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
Speaking of Martinez and Woz - it's interesting to compare them to other 1-Slam winners on the women's side. The 1-Slam winners might be the most interesting category, because many get in, but even more don't.

Someone like Bartoli - A Wimbledon champion who also has one other Slam appearance, but only reached No. 7 in the world and one 8 titles - I can see her on the outside looking in. And players like Majoli and Myskina probably don't have enough beyond their solitary Slams to get inducted.

Ivanovic may very well make it in - her overall tournament wins is just 15 - and that relatively low amount often requires an additional Slam - Capriati and Pierce have under 20 titles. But, she has two additional Slam finals and reached No. 1.

I should say, these are simply my own analysis of players' careers. I have no idea what the HOF actually considers and if they really do hardcore comparisons in the vein of "How does Woz compare to inductee Martinez."
 

Musterrific

Professional
The "big three" did not stop a large number of players from winning majors on the women's side--the other group of players where majors winners are in abundance for current and future consideration.
I'm biased - I don't really pay much attention to women's tennis.
 

jrepac

Hall of Fame
Yes. You make good points. Plus Pam Shriver set the bar low.
Pam had a huge career in doubles, which also counts.
I do think Woz will be inducted, given her #1 ranking.
70 weeks ain't hay.
She was an underachiever, when it came to GS events, however.
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
Martinez's career is not comparable to Woz. Woz's 2 YE#1 and YE title utterly drown out Martinez's career with their slam and tournament stats being almost identical. Wozniacki also beat all the best in her era numerous times, including Serena, unlike Martinez who has humiliating stats against people like Graf, Seles, Hingis (excluding matches Hingis was 15 or younger), which often have her scoring only 1 victory, and even utterly terrible stats against the second or third tier top players of her era, many who have significantly less success than her- like Date, Huber, Majoli, etc..

Yeah if Wozniacki played when Martinez did she probably never reaches #1, although who knows for sure, Sanchez did and Sabatini was a match from it. I doubt Martinez reaches #1 ever even playing when Wozniacki did though.
I said all of this in my original post - a lot of overlap, but Woz has the YEC and #1. Slams - they are equal in terms of titles and finals. Beyond that, Martinez is way ahead of Woz in "deep runs" (QF or better). But that's something I doubt the HOF cares about.
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
The HOF absolutely would care that Wozniacki is a 2 time YE#1. OK the second one was a total joke and everyone knows it is really Kvitova who swept the Player of Year awards that year, but lets eliminate that one, even 1 YE#1 and a ton of weeks at #1 puts her far above Martinez. They might not care about deep runs, but they sure would care about #1 stats. Plus Woz's YEC is big, and multiple finals there, vs Martinez's pathetic record there. The YEC is the biggest non slam, along with the Olympics where neither did anything. The HOF would see Woz's career as easily above Martinez's, along with her popularity and impact on the game. She would get in over Martinez in a heartbeat, and Martinez is in so.
I think you misinterpreted my post. Everything you said I agree with. I was saying the one area where Martinez is considerably above Woz - Grand Slam consistency - number of "deep runs" (QF or better) in Slams - isn't something that the HOF probably cares that much about.
 
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Pam had a huge career in doubles, which also counts.
I do think Woz will be inducted, given her #1 ranking.
70 weeks ain't hay.
She was an underachiever, when it came to GS events, however.
She lacked a real kill shot and had to rely on 7 matches where the opponent made more errors. That happened just once.
 
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